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How can anyone possibly disagree with the 'anti-cap brigade'? Let's get this clear then Scrotnig, you want caps on your broadband service? If you were offered the choice between a capped and an uncapped service, you would choose the capped one in order to help the company supplying it make more money?

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Oh come on.. us anti-cappers receive a fair amount of abuse aswell.

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LOL - ok I tell you what, every time you say 'Anti-Cap Brigade' I'll chime in with 'Obsequious NTL Monkey Brigade' and we'll call it quits. :p

You should know my view on capping by now. AFAIC it's pretty much a non issue for the moment.

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I'm not disagreeing with you i also think the cap is a bit on the low side, but some people on this forum and i know a few personally in my area are pulling off 10 gig+ in a day every day. Now you canot seriously tell me that someone who is downloading that much traffic every day is totally 100% legit. It is those users that NTL should curtail first and if that means cutting them off then so be it IMO. If it is impacting on other users then something has to give. At the end of the day the cap is coming and no amount of complaining is gonna change that. If some one really needs to download over 10 gig a day then they should either not be on a residential line, or really need to get out a bit more.;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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If you are paying for it you should be able to use the internet any time you want, without NTL or other ******s looking over your back at what you are downloading and how much you are downloading, it's all about money at the end of the day, yes the speeds are good, but if you can't use them to your advantage cus of the Caps that NTL ******s are putting on then whats the point, I am going to find a company that doesn't rely on caps to bring there customers to them even if it means lowering my speeds, lease I can download and upload to my hearts content.

I play Xbox Live all the time when I am at home and I always have my internet connection on, for a very good reason and I should not be bullied into having caps. I pay the money and so I have right's.

NTL ***** you

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Wouldn't be much point seeing as the email service only seems to work 50% of the time... ;)

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Not for very long you won't ;)

Can we get back to the subject at hand please and stop discussing each other.

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If a small percentage of users can degrade the service then NTL should spend money on updating its hardware. As each day passes every person that uses the net will use more and more bandwidth, and if they are getting slow downs now then its only going to get a hell of a lot worse as each day passes.

If they are stuggling now due to 5% of the users downloading 10GB then we are probably looking at a company on the slope to bankrupcy.

What if I want to watch a couple of the latest movies, while the kids are playing online games and the wife wants to catch up with episodes of eastenders?

2 Movies @ 1.5Gb each
3 Episodes of eastenders = 2GB
2 games, lets say they use 1GB between them

This totals 6GB, and that's just a few hours of light entertainment in the evening.

This will be a common scene in many households within the next year or two, ALL the film companies and all serious broadcasters are looking at and moving towards video-on-demand and tv-on-demand, even the latest version of divx is geared towards suppling video straight to your DVD player.

http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5427731.html
http://www.homechoice.co.uk/our_tv.html
http://www.2wire.com/?p=11

Pete

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I disagree with them. :wavey:

I'm all for caps - I like my service nice and fast, without the 24 x 7 bandwidth hogs who feel the need to download the entire internet each month. Caps are the obvious way to limit such people - and if it drives them away from ntl then even better. :D
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You know - it is perfectly possible to post a point without resorting to swearing and abusive language - you should try it sometime. :dozey:

What rights would that be then ? You have all the rights that that the AUP gives you - which is a capped service if they decide to impose it. ntl are providing the service and can restrict it in anyway they see fit. The only right you have is to leave and find another ISP - and you will find it increasingly difficult to find one that doesn't impose some sort of usage limit.
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Why ? - if you were running a business and a small percentage of customers were using so much resources that they were affecting the rest of your customers, and losing you money, would you spend even more of your profits on them, knowing you won't make any money from them anyway - or would you take steps to reduce their usage, or even get rid of them. I know which I would do.

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I couldn't agree more, screw them, I have also been looking at moving from NTL, these caps have made me look at other companies services. I can get uncapped high speed ADSL, a phone line (with better night time rates) and a better TV package for less than NTL are charging me, and I won't have big brother analyzing every byte I choose to download, or telling me when I can and cannot use the service I pay top money for.

I guess I will be taking my £80 per month elsewhere, most companies would chew off there right arm for a customer in my demographic, long term customer, still young and plenty of disposible income.

I must also point out that since my upgrade to 3Mb my connection hasn't been too good at all, I'm not getting full bandwidth speeds when I want them and its also disconnected half a dozen times, even those cheapo ADSL services do better than that LOL.

I've also noticed 8Mb ADSL and ADSL2 is comming soon, what will NTL do then, double the bandwidth and half the quota's.

Pete

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The fact that your line is capable of 3meg does not mean you will get it - there is a lot of network between you and most sites you will visit - and you will not be the only person trying to download stuff from a server. Many servers themselves are only on 2, 5 or 10 meg links, so more then 3 or 4 people trying to pull stuff from them and you are not going to get full speed.

An 8 meg line is almost completely pointless - there a few servers in the world that could sustain that speed to more than 1 or 2 simultaneous downloads, even assuming the network inbetween is capable.

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Then that would be the wrong choice.

As I've pointed out a few times now people are only going to use more and more bandwidth, if they are seeing problems now, then that shows they have a weakness in the network that needs addressing and fixing now.

Yes they could get rid of a couple of users here and there, and a couple more users will join to take their place, and at the same time the general masses bandwidth will also be steadily increasing.

Getting rid of 5% of the userbase now will only decrease their profits, and they will still have a problem with the network and ever worsening capacity issues. And as I touched upon in my last post, what happens in 6 months time when ADSL 4mb and 8Mb is the norm and the have to double the speed again to stay competitive. The network problems will double again, but now they have less income to fix the problem.

They need to spend money on the network and if your connection is slowing down then its not the fault of the 5% club, it NTL's fault, they should be working flat out and upgrading the network now so it can handle 4/8/16/32mb connections tomorrow, blaming the users is just a really lame excuse.

Pete
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Yep I agree, the internet is not setup for wide scale very fast connections, the majority of servers (including all of mine) only have 10mb nics, but I know what server I was connected to and the system is setup to handle fast connections. No the slow downs in this case were on the NTL side, and the disconnections were also instablitly in the NTL systems. I've also seen a lot more packet loss on the NTL routers since the speed increases.

Pete

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No, it would be the right choice.

People are not necessarily going to use more & more. Having a faster connection does not mean people automatically download more - they download the same as before, only faster.

Erm, do you want to run that one by me again - how exactly does getting rid of customers that are costing you money, decrease your profits ?

No, it's not ntl's fault at all - it's the fault of bandwidth hoggers. That's a bit like blaming the car for having a poor mpg rate when you run out of petrol - when it's really the drivers fault for not filling up, and using it excessivly.

I'm sure if we all lived in that nice fluffy fantasy land where network equipment is free then ntl would jump at the chance to upgrade all their network for the speeds you mention. Sadly, here in the real world, equipment costs money (lots of it), and ntl are not going to spend huge amounts on their network to cater for a few heavy users who are never going to make them any profit.

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So what would you do, your solution would be to get rid of 5% of your highest paying customers each time? Great business practice LOL

Then in 6 months time when they "have to" double the speed again it won't be the "10GB a day" gang at fault it will be a new "10GB a month gang", and 6 months after that when the "have to" double again it will be the the "5Gb a month" gang. Its the classic divide and conquer approach, blame a minority for the problem, then they don't have to spend any money.


Well their competitors are spending the money, and they are upgrading their networks. So its NTL that are living in a nice fluffy fantasy land if they think they can keep doubling the speed of their customer connections and not do the work or reinvest the profits.

I would love to be there in 6 months time when your using your nice 6mb NTL connection, you go to download something and find you can do it faster through a 56kb modem. You know why? because a couple of other users are doing the same thing at the same time, and NTL forgot to invest in new equipment, they decided it would be better to blame the userbase 6 months earlier.

So you use the same bandwidth now as you did when you had a 56kb dialup connection? Get real, the faster it gets the more people use.


I have a really great Idea!

Maybe we should get NTL to run public transport, we could start by banning all fat people from buses, they use up more bus space, we could then get more people on the bus.

Then in 6 months time we could then ban all people over 5 foot, I'm sure we could get more people in if we banned tall people.

Then we could ban the disabled too, they take up more space, and the elderly, they take their time getting on the bus, ban them too.

We could ram everyone on our one bus to maximize our profits.

Then we would have this really really amazing bus service, we all know the problems with the bus service are due to the passengers, everybody knows that, its common knowledge.


Pete

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Why have any cap, after all, we allready have one of the slowest services in the world.
Just look at south Korea 20M service no cap, Japan 50M service no cap. Why do people put up with this BS, this is a competative market, where even BT are now running trials on an 8M service.
If no one bought into a capped rate service, how long would it last?