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Yes. As long as you continue to subscribe to the Full House pack. You even get the 4k version!

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Sky, BT extend content deal

https://advanced-television.com/2018...-content-deal/

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No surprise that the big platforms are working far more together now as we are very much in the era of the entente cordiale which can only be good for customers.

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I think very much the view is a Sky Sports subscriber is of value regardless of platform and the same for BT Sports now.

I don’t think either Sky, Virgin or BT expect radical shake up of the TV, phone or broadband markets as a result of each other’s actions any more. Their positions have stabilised in the market. It’s now about how best to reduce costs for content while maintaining value and pushing price rises onto their existing bases.

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I find this interesting:

"BT TV customers in the UK will be able to seamlessly watch and record their favourite NOW TV channels"

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Actually, that is correct!

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/10/...rtnership.html

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That will happen, BT will just deliver the channels to BT Youview customers over it's IP multicast network making them recordable.

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By heck that was a quick about turn..;)

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Sky and the EFL warned of 'drastic action' if new TV deal gets the go-ahead

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/...ction-15424318

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Their are a couple of fair points made re the various amounts per game in particular.

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I don't understand this. Why did they accept the deal in the first place? Wasn't it reported at the time BT where going to bid big but didn't as the Championship fixtures would clash with their Champions League coverage. SKY should pull the plug and let them find a better deal themselves elsewhere. Hardly must see games unless you support one of the teams.

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Yes I agree entirely. I only watch if my team are playing or there's nothing else on tv.

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Agreed, however as someone else posted Leeds v Villa has more worth thN Huddersfield v Burnley whatever leagues the ganpmes are in.

There is a huge disportionate amount paid for showing premier league games compared with Championship games.

As for EFL contracts, obviously the main draw is the Championship - it wouldn't surprise me at all if we see a PL2 with it totally ring fenced from the rest of football.

I am not a supporter of ring-fencing, but see this as likely to happen in the near future.

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The amount of money tv companies are paying for tv rights is totally out of hand anyway,I think we all agree. The bubble will surely burst soon.
Incidentally,does anyone know whether other countries tv providers pay similar amounts to us?

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Here we are.

https://www.ft.com/content/667bceb4-...3-0c230fa67aec

https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/page...-finance.html#

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That says what the leagues earn, but not where the money comes from. I imagine much of it will be from broadcasting in other countries.

As an aside, the full report does have something that I'm sure will interest some here:
"Deloitte predicts that the decline in traditional TV viewing will continue at a slower rate for the next couple of years in the US, Canada and the UK before levelling out"

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Ssh, don't tell OB

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Well, we'll see. The question really is, how much of a decline in audience share can the TV companies bear before advertising revenues reach critical levels?

Looking at how close ITV came to a financial crisis just a few short years ago with the reduction in advertising, I don't think it would take a lot before some of the smaller TV companies called it a day. Sadly, it won't stop there.

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As the majority of sports rights are held by Sky and BT it would take a huge loss in audience share for either of these to go bust.

The smaller broadcasters (Prem Spts, Freesports) have little content so if they went bust they would not be missed by many.

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Especially since Sky is now owned by Comcast.

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The so called predicted future demise of Sky has been grossly exaggerated by some on here as they are here to stay long into the future..

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I certainly wouldn't expect Sky and BT to go bust!

Of course, the bigger channels that cease to broadcast as now will move to streaming/on demand services only rather than go bust.

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@PAdugout

#Breaking The English Football League has announced it has agreed a five-season deal worth £595million with Sky Sports for its domestic broadcasting right

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And here is the link.

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...ship-from-2020

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sky sports EFL deal link

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...mes-per-season

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So much so for the great Nostradamus predictions of some who predicted that Sky were going to be blown out of the water by the rise of the streaming giants.

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yep sky was never gonna let that happen Den

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Was that the actual words used, Den?

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Nor will they in future as the influence of the streaming giants with regards to sports TV auction rights has been greatly overplayed.

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A different wording was used but it still carries the same meaning MM.

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BT seem to be cutting back on Sports rights.

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Their main outlay is the Champions league though MM as their other rights are small fry compared to their outlay on that don't you agree.

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Although this deal has been agreed between the EFL management committee and Sky, if you read the article on BBC website it states that there is a meeting (tomorrow I believe) of the Championship clubs who were not in favour of this deal.

Reportedly undervalued, too long, don't like the midweek games all being broadcast (affecting attendances) etc etc.

Compared with the PL deal it does seem a miserly amount per game.

Watch this space, I think

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Well apart from the PL package they have, the FA Cup.

They also have a monopoly on Premiership rugby and the European Rugby Cup.

The next Ashes series in Australia will also be on BT.

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Bt sports have lost all their Scottish football rights to sky and Premier Sports

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport...with-100m-bid/

Premier sports is now the home of the Scottish Cup and Scottish league Cup

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I won't be rushing out to sub to Premier Sports to watch the cup games!

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Sounds like Eleven Sports aren't going away any time soon.

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/11/...n-digital.html

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Facebook have confirmed that they have no current plans to bid for the Premier League. There was speculation that they may have been planning to bid for the rights to show Premiership zFootball on their new 'Watch' service.

I think YouTube is of the same mind, although I haven't been aware of a firm denial from them.

I still think the most likely competition in this area will come from Amazon, Disney or Discovery, but early days yet. A lot can happen in three years!

https://advanced-television.com/2018...er-league-bid/

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Dream on OB as if you keep repeating it ad nauseum someone might believe you in a minute.

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I would be very interested in your reasons for having such a strong opinion on why streaming won't ultimately take over, Den. Sure, there are some problems at present, but these will be ironed out over the next couple of years or so. Super fast broadband continues to be rolled out, streaming services will improve and latency will be resolved. Given that, what is to prevent it?

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"Super fast broadband continues to be rolled out" - very very slowly, in fact much of the country struggles with super slow broadband.

"Given that, what is to prevent it" - cost of obtaining meaningful rights and ability to sell the streams - 19 of 22 championship clubs are already up in arms over the latest 5 year tv deal, they are considering suing the EFL management over the deal - part of the problem is the pseudo-streaming of championship mid-week games with attendances falling.

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I think some of these EFL clubs have delusion of grandeur, the audiences for these games is not all that.

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Really - 'disillusion of grandeur' ( I assume you mean delusion), I would rather watch 2 of the top teams from the Championship playing in front of 30,000+ fans than 2 of the lesser PL sides playing in front of 15-20,000)

I think this is part of the Championship teams beefs with the PL games getting around 25 times the tv fee of the Championship games.

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TV audience talks , advertising etc. Sky obviously had the highest bid, what else is the EFL board to do. They could go down the streaming route and we all know where that ends at the present time.

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Eleven Sports is providing content to STV Player now according to A516digital here.

Now given VM is getting STV Player soon, that means at least some VM customers with get some Eleven Sports content free.

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I can't see the STV channel being made available south of the border, but maybe their on demand service will. Not that such a development would help you with live sport.

You can watch STV on some devices now, as long as you enter a Scottish postcode.

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So the rest of the UK are unable to see these matches through that platform. A bit unfair!

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I just mentioned the Player, not the channel. The channel is irrelevant in the context of this sports content, it's being shown on the Player.

Like I said the STV Player isn't on Virgin Media in Scotland yet. And as OLD BOY says you can just use a Scottish postcode on other devices that support the app. ITV Hub works like that in the opposite direction. VM never said in the recent STV Press Release how it would be implemented distribution wise... it's only an assumption.

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I actually have done that and it works so happy days!

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:) :tu:

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You can get the STV player on Prime as well. I'm in Scotland so not sure if that is region specific as well. Eleven Sports 1 and 2 are on it now. Hope they are going to improve the picture quality though.
The information says that there will be 14 live matches on this weekend as an introduction and then two games a week from Spain and Italy.
Trying to watch Barcelona v Real Madrid at the moment but the PQ is very poor.

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That's streaming for you!

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The Big Mo according to some...;)

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Is it being shown in SD, then?

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Certainly looks like it. Had a look on my laptop and quality is much better.

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Size of screen has a big effect on PQ - I assume your TV is considerably larger than your laptop

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Yeah TV 43in and laptop 15.6in so youre probably right.

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Streaming in SD is not the way to bring the punters in!

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"streaming is the future"

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I gave it a try and found the picture to be excellent. Eleven Sports have a black friday deal. £39.99 for a year pass.

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I tried on the STV Player and I’d say the picture is adequate. It’s in line with the quality of TV from Sky on PS4, but both are below the standard of broadcast HD for fast moving sports.

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Does anyone know if Eleven subscriptions will be available to watch on STV player? Or is it just the free games and back to having to cast?

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It's not a streaming issue by the sound of it. Broadcasts also look pretty grotty on a big screen if they are in standard definition.

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Didn't realise anyone watched standard definition TV these days - especially for sport.

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Do keep up ;)

"whilst 63% of consumers can receive HD services, only 18% choose to watch in HD."

source: Ofcom Connected Nations Report, 2017

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Exactly, I thought everyone knew that........:rolleyes:;)

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Well I've told you plenty of times

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So 45% of these people have really good eyesight that sd is sufficient or their eyesight is that bad they can’t tell the difference. :)

Why would you watch in sd when you have HD? Or am I missing something.

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But you have to remember the human race don't always behave in the same way.;)

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Exactly!

For me, the only reason to watch in SD would be if I was away for 2 weeks and didn't have enough space to record everything in HD.

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It's a combination of people who don't realise they aren't watching HD (because they think simply owning an HDTV is sufficient), those who can't see a difference, and those who just aren't bothered.

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And those for who their TV or digital box upscales the picture, and does a great job of doing so.

And those who don't have the HD version in their package and aren't willing to pay extra for it.

And some who don't have wall-size televisions which show up the poorer resolutions.

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I don't think it's anything to do with eyesight! You simply get a much sharper picture with HD. If watching on a larger screen, SD pictures are grainy. If you watch HD all the time, and then tune into an SD channel, the difference is very noticeable indeed.

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But not everybody has a large 50 inch plus screen size OB.

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It can be a lot to do with eyesight. If you can't see SD-sized pixels at your viewing distance, making the pixels smaller won't make any difference to you.

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I think that's what I was saying! We just came at it from different directions.

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Yes, I agree. But it does appear to me that quite a lot of people these days have the bigger screens. Mine is a 49", but I don't think that is so exceptional. We can certainly see a big difference in picture quality, and UHD is outstanding!

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Well at least we agree on something OB

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Another couple of reasons you have to pay more for HD channels and apart from Sport SD channels have more favourable channel numbers!

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Copa Libertadores final 2nd leg: Boca v River Plate is on Freesports/Freesports HD tonight.

KO put back to 21:00 due to the Boca bus being attacked

Enjoy

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ItvHd is 103 - how much better than that do you want?

Using favourites you can set up the HD versions of your usual channels to be at or near the top

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Who were they playing - Liverpool😂

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It was a bit worse than that ;) Players were attacked with tear gas as well. Imagine that happening to the snowflakes of Emptyhad FC

Game has been postponed until 8PM tomorrow due to rioting outside the ground. Just another day at the office in Buenos Aires.

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Eurosport Players has a Black Friday deal too - £19.99pa but ends this weekend.

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A hint of sour grapes there?

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Postponed again - no new date.

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Sensible decision taken - unlike when it happened to Man City.

The fact it has been cancelled again, raises the chances of the game being awarded to Boca Juniors imo.

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Absolutely the right decision, the players were tear gassed and Doctors gave the players banned substances to help them recover from the effects.

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Sadly hooliganism has been a increasing problem in Argentinian football for quite a while now.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...s-barra-bravas

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24129193

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As always with these incidents football is farthest from the minds of these morons. It's just a convenient way for them to fight out their disagreement or in some cases simply a convenient way for them to be violent.

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My own view is with BT not winning SPFL and UFC plus more. We feel that BT will put BT Sports up for sale in 2019.

We feel Virgin Media UK, Eurosport, 11 Sports or Premier Sports will bid to buy BT Sports.

Why?

-Virgin Media runs an Sport channel in Ireland right now called "Virgin Media Sport"
-11 Sports can launch on Sky and Virgin Media if they take BT Sports over.
-Eurosport and Premier Sports - BT Sport took over ESPN UK when BT Sports was set to launch to add more sports rights.

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I'm a little bit puzzled as to why you think BT will put their sports channels up for sale next year. Yes they've lost a few sports rights but they still have a lot to offer and who knows may win the m back in a few years from now.

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I doubt that, MB and your management. :no::waving:

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You never doubted him before.

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I seriously doubt it, they may be taking a less aggressive stance to bidding under the new management but they still hold the rights to:-

Premier League (with sky as a major partner)
Champions League (exclusive)
Europa League (exclusive)
FA Cup (with BBC as a minor partner)
French Ligue 1 (exclusive)
Bundesliga (exclusive)

Premiership Rugby (exclusive)
Scotland Rugby Internationals (with BBC as an equal partner)
Australian Cricket - home internationals incl next Ashes tour (exclusive)
Australian Big Bash T-20 (exclusive)
Hockey World Cup (exclusive)

Plus a number of minor sports rights

I'm not sure anyone could afford to buy them out of all this given the amount they have spent on the rights.

Unfortunately, I think it is more likely Virgin customers will end up paying for BT Sports.

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You're the biggest doubter on here, Den.........:D;)

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You flatter me MM.;)

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The postponed Copa Libertadores final second leg between River Plate and Boca Juniors will take place on 8 or 9 December but will not be held in Argentina.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46363739

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Yep good luck to whoever hosts this game if both sets of fans are allowed. It would be a bloodbath. Away fans are banned from attending league matches this season for the very reasons that led to the weekend's debacle. Some of the stuff that goes on inside the grounds on a frequent basis is just as bad tbh, it's just that we're only hearing about this because of the global interest in this final.

As of a couple of seasons ago the Argie government held the broadcast rights to the league games and were streaming them on YouTube. Turner bought a rights package for the majority of the games as of this season and unfortunately it's becoming more and more difficult to find streams which is a shame there's often some pretty decent football on show.

There are a couple of US based services reselling streams who will sell you a sub for around $10 per month which is a bit much if that's all you're getting so it would be great if Premier (or eleven) managed to add this to their portfolio.

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Personally it is quite likely that the match might not take place in South America Peter.

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Virgin Media to move BT Sport 4K UHD channel to its new home on channel number 531 while removing the BT Sport SD channels from Virgin TV from the 4th of December..

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That makes sense,removing the SD channels,so long as the channels remain inclusive to the tip package.

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That is the vexed question though as who knows.

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Let's hope this includes the Red Button streams too - but I doubt it.

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The second leg of the Copa Libertadores final between Boca Juniors and River Plate has been moved more than 6,000 miles away to the Bernabeu in Madrid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46392340