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OLD BOY 16-05-2022 16:51
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Where anyone else gets them I presume?



Sky already stream on not one but THREE platforms now, OB. Four if you include Sky Go but I don’t believe it can be purchased standalone.

Your persistence in viewing the television market through the perverse lens of competing, as opposed to complementary technologies continues to mean you reach the wrong conclusions.

As you will see I’ve linked in the other thread to satellite manufacturers are investing in building the next generation of satellites that will serve Europe to 2040 and beyond.
My point being that the most new content is heading for the streamers. People will not continue to pay for hundreds of channels that do not screen the programmes they want to watch.

Yes, Sky are now streaming on multiple platforms, and it's only a matter of time before satellite TV in this country ceases to exist.

The reason I am of the view that TV channels will cease to exist by 2035 is that nobody will be making programmes available to them, so they will be reliant on their own material. When you say 'complementary' channels, I have to say that I am not yet aware of any plans for a Netflix channel, a Disney channel, an Apple channel, etc. We will get a few FAST channels, at least in the early days but I most certainly wouldn't watch them!

Even ITV is setting up their more advanced streamer site, ITVX, which will encourage people to switch to streaming because their whole series of their original dramas will be on there first. This is much more ambitious than the ITV Hub and it is a further demonstration that broadcasters are anxious to embrace the technology and phase out the old. It makes commercial sense too, because viewers who do not wish to pay a subscription will not be able to fast forward through the adverts. Advertisers will pay more for that and ultimately will steer away from the broadcast channels.

jfman 16-05-2022 17:01
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So you were really referring to all the non-premium pay TV channels when you referred to 'minor channels'!
They’re all minor, yes. I don’t think that’s a difficult concept to understand and a customary back of a cigarette paper calculation of the amounts Sky paid out to third parties puts them all in the pennies per month per subscriber tab.

Even the Sky Basics dispute in 2007 was over 90p per subscriber per month for the highest rating non-terrestrial channels according to the BARB.

Contrary to your claim that English language general entertainment will be hard to come by it’s actually widely available from a breadth of sources. The amount of new content being made vastly outstrips what any viewer can consume in a given time period. Hence the ability of Netflix (and others) to rely upon regurgitating old Friends episodes or stuff the BBC premiered years ago as they claim an extensive back catalogue of content.

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My point being that the most new content is heading for the streamers. People will not continue to pay for hundreds of channels that do not screen the programmes they want to watch.
Again you portray this binary where a company with linear channels cannot stream and vice versa.

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Yes, Sky are now streaming on multiple platforms, and it's only a matter of time before satellite TV in this country ceases to exist.

The reason I am of the view that TV channels will cease to exist by 2035 is that nobody will be making programmes available to them, so they will be reliant on their own material.
They’ll go where the money is - they are not fanatical like you are about a single technology.

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When you say 'complementary' channels, I have to say that I am not yet aware of any plans for a Netflix channel, a Disney channel, an Apple channel, etc. We will get a few FAST channels, at least in the early days but I most certainly wouldn't watch them!

Even ITV is setting up their more advanced streamer site, ITVX, which will encourage people to switch to streaming because their whole series of their original dramas will be on there first. This is much more ambitious than the ITV Hub and it is a further demonstration that broadcasters are anxious to embrace the technology and phase out the old. It makes commercial sense too, because viewers who do not wish to pay a subscription will not be able to fast forward through the adverts. Advertisers will pay more for that and ultimately will steer away from the broadcast channels.
And why would the viewer go down that route over a V6 or a Sky Q?

Legendkiller2k 16-05-2022 17:49
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My point being that the most new content is heading for the streamers. People will not continue to pay for hundreds of channels that do not screen the programmes they want to watch.

Yes, Sky are now streaming on multiple platforms, and it's only a matter of time before satellite TV in this country ceases to exist.

The reason I am of the view that TV channels will cease to exist by 2035 is that nobody will be making programmes available to them, so they will be reliant on their own material. When you say 'complementary' channels, I have to say that I am not yet aware of any plans for a Netflix channel, a Disney channel, an Apple channel, etc. We will get a few FAST channels, at least in the early days but I most certainly wouldn't watch them!

Even ITV is setting up their more advanced streamer site, ITVX, which will encourage people to switch to streaming because their whole series of their original dramas will be on there first. This is much more ambitious than the ITV Hub and it is a further demonstration that broadcasters are anxious to embrace the technology and phase out the old. It makes commercial sense too, because viewers who do not wish to pay a subscription will not be able to fast forward through the adverts. Advertisers will pay more for that and ultimately will steer away from the broadcast channels.
Satellite ain't going anywhere OB dear chap, terrestial on the otherhand will cease in time as mobile bandwidth takes more frequencies.
Satellite will remain in place for many many years as the uk simply does not have the infrastructure for everyone to go online tv only, and it will take a very long time and a huge cost for that to happen.
However we may see the expansion of satellite broadband and the likes of starlink but again those occure huge costs for example starlink is over £650 to get started and then £89p/m afterwards.

Chris 16-05-2022 17:59
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Satellite ain't going anywhere OB dear chap, terrestial on the otherhand will cease in time as mobile bandwidth takes more frequencies.
Satellite will remain in place for many many years as the uk simply does not have the infrastructure for everyone to go online tv only, and it will take a very long time and a huge cost for that to happen.
However we may see the expansion of satellite broadband and the likes of starlink but again those occure huge costs for example starlink is over £650 to get started and then £89p/m afterwards.
Some of us have been making the point about broadband infrastructure literally for years in this and other similar threads. You’re wasting your keyboard time - there’s no telling him.

OLD BOY 16-05-2022 19:21
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Satellite ain't going anywhere OB dear chap, terrestial on the otherhand will cease in time as mobile bandwidth takes more frequencies.
Satellite will remain in place for many many years as the uk simply does not have the infrastructure for everyone to go online tv only, and it will take a very long time and a huge cost for that to happen.
However we may see the expansion of satellite broadband and the likes of starlink but again those occure huge costs for example starlink is over £650 to get started and then £89p/m afterwards.
The broadband rollout should be finished by then! Where do you think the terrestrials will go if broadcast frequencies are no longer available?
If the terrestrials go IPTV, you can bet your life that Sky won’t continue to offer TV channels as they exist now.

I can’t see Sky keeping their satellite system going forever. It must be far cheaper to use IPTV than keep paying for all that transponder space for a start.

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Some of us have been making the point about broadband infrastructure literally for years in this and other similar threads. You’re wasting your keyboard time - there’s no telling him.
Chris, you and others have been poo-pooing the idea of streaming becoming the most favoured means of access to content and eventually taking over altogether for many years. You even said at one stage that we didn’t have sufficient electricity supplies to provide large scale on demand programming.

It’s not going to happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen, and it’s the government’s intention that the whole country will be broadband connected over the next few years.

Legendkiller2k 16-05-2022 20:27
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The broadband rollout should be finished by then! Where do you think the terrestrials will go if broadcast frequencies are no longer available?
If the terrestrials go IPTV, you can bet your life that Sky won’t continue to offer TV channels as they exist now.

I can’t see Sky keeping their satellite system going forever. It must be far cheaper to use IPTV than keep paying for all that transponder space for a start.

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Chris, you and others have been poo-pooing the idea of streaming becoming the most favoured means of access to content and eventually taking over altogether for many years. You even said at one stage that we didn’t have sufficient electricity supplies to provide large scale on demand programming.

It’s not going to happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen, and it’s the government’s intention that the whole country will be broadband connected over the next few years.
OB dear chap i used to work in the industry until a few months back and i'm still very much in touch with old collegues. Terrestial tv will be moved to satellite eventually it will not go to online only not in our lifetime anyway.
FTTP is a very slow progress and you have to take into account isolated homes too less than 31% of the UK has access to fftp, i live in a big city and they've only just finished laying it down here via city fibre, we are a very long way from the uk being ready for all tv to go online.
Just because itv are launching a new and improved online service doesn't mean they are going online only, they are simply increasing their revenue channels.

jfman 16-05-2022 20:33
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The broadband rollout should be finished by then! Where do you think the terrestrials will go if broadcast frequencies are no longer available?
If the terrestrials go IPTV, you can bet your life that Sky won’t continue to offer TV channels as they exist now.

I can’t see Sky keeping their satellite system going forever. It must be far cheaper to use IPTV than keep paying for all that transponder space for a start.

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Chris, you and others have been poo-pooing the idea of streaming becoming the most favoured means of access to content and eventually taking over altogether for many years. You even said at one stage that we didn’t have sufficient electricity supplies to provide large scale on demand programming.

It’s not going to happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen, and it’s the government’s intention that the whole country will be broadband connected over the next few years.
This bit in bold isn’t actually relevant. You’re portraying us as taking an extreme stance - which of course we are not. Almost everyone, perhaps even everyone, accepts on demand growth is happening and will continue. We simply don’t see it reaching 100% in the completely arbitrary timescale you present.

As for the Government’s broadband aspirations they have no such thing as a plan for the “whole country”, and it’d be generous to call what plans they do have as deliverable “in the next few years”.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...update#summary

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Very Hard to Reach Premises
Our procurements will maximise the coverage of gigabit-capable infrastructure, however we know that it will be unaffordable to provide gigabit coverage to all premises in the UK.

For those very hard to reach (VHTR) premises that will not be reached through the Project Gigabit procurements, the government is today publishing its response to the call for evidence on improving connectivity for very hard to reach premises — summarising the information received by respondents and the most frequently expressed points of view. This response is the first step in delivering improved connectivity to these premises and further policy proposals will be set out in due course.

Chris 16-05-2022 20:48
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Chris, you and others have been poo-pooing the idea of streaming becoming the most favoured means of access to content and eventually taking over altogether for many years. You even said at one stage that we didn’t have sufficient electricity supplies to provide large scale on demand programming.

It’s not going to happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen, and it’s the government’s intention that the whole country will be broadband connected over the next few years.
Actually we don’t even have the capacity in the national grid to support total electrification of road traffic, and that’s something we know is going to happen over the next 15 years because, unlike your fantasy shift to IPTV, it is stated government policy (as anything profoundly affecting national infrastructure ought to be).

The data source for the power requirement of an entirely IP-driven TV service is buried somewhere in one of the old threads and frankly I’m not going to be your dancing monkey and go and find it again for you. When facts are inconvenient to you, you simply ignore them anyway, so it would be a waste of my time - it’s clear from your comment above that in your head you’ve managed to remember I said something but conveniently forgotten that the claim was evidenced. Yes, I did even say that at one stage. Because it’s a fact.

If you fancy educating yourself about the challenges faced worldwide by power grid managers, go and feast your eyes on this. Just in the UK our total annual energy consumption is expected to hit 450 terawatt-hours before 2050 (it’s a little over 300TWh at the moment). https://eelpower.co.uk/challenges-for-the-grid

General Maximus 16-05-2022 22:37
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Chris, you and others have been poo-pooing the idea of streaming becoming the most favoured means of access to content and eventually taking over altogether for many years.
for what it's worth dude I agree with you. It sounds like we are in the minority so we can go down together. :hugs:

OLD BOY 16-05-2022 23:43
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for what it's worth dude I agree with you. It sounds like we are in the minority so we can go down together. :hugs:
Yes. As they say, there are none so blind…

jfman 17-05-2022 05:34
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Yes. As they say, there are none so blind…
Quite.

1andrew1 17-05-2022 11:43
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Yes. As they say, there are none so blind…
Keep 'em coming Old Boy!

This one put a smile on my face this morning. :)

Itshim 17-05-2022 13:14
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Yes. As they say, there are none so blind…
Honestly I really don't care how I get my fix as long as I do :shocked:

muppetman11 17-05-2022 17:22
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So now Netflix is looking to live stream some content , wonder what they plan next……………..channels :D

https://gizmodo.com/netflix-live-str...1848933038/amp

jfman 17-05-2022 17:40
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So now Netflix is looking to live stream some content , wonder what they plan next……………..channels :D

https://gizmodo.com/netflix-live-str...1848933038/amp
It’s almost like there’s a benefit in people watching the exact same thing at the exact same time.

I wonder what the lowest cost, most energy efficient method of such a transmission would be.


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