Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Yes, I am defending this.


They agreed to this
We agreed to this

The country wanted out, this is out

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Is Macron speaking from a position of authority? Or is he being a lone voice ?

I’m not batting for any side. If the people of Northern Ireland suffer food shortages ultimately it’s us who agreed the terms with the EU.

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Where is the ambiguity that states chilled meat products cannot be imported into the EU market from non EU countries ? Seems pretty unambiguous ?

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Sephi/OB

Why hasn’t Boris walked or threatened to walk away from the treaty ?

He threatened to walk away enough times during the negotiations

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To add,

sephi/ob (amongst many others) clearly stated that we could manage just fine without the EU. Yet here we are a little over six months in and they’re demanding the EU’s assistance in solving a problem of our own creation.

How deliciously ironic.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

You are just not getting it, are you? It was with reluctance that we signed up to the protocol, but, yes, we signed it. As with any new process, documents have to be interpreted.

The problem is that the EU will only interpret this in a way that maximises our problems and takes no account of the problems this causes in NI.

There are straight forward ways that the document as written can be made to work, but the EU is being its normal inflexible and spiteful self.

And you wonder why Brexiteers wanted out.

How can you defend this? That’s why I say you are batting for the other side. As ever.

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Er - except that we are not complaining that we cannot export chilled meat products to the EU. Are you trying to divert the argument or misrepresent what those who disagree with you have said?

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Sorry, why did we have to sign it ? That’s a complete u turn OB for you from your earlier comments.

Perhaps you could advise why these documents weren’t ‘interpreted’ before they were signed ? Otherwise you’ve basically admitted that the U.K. government didn’t fully understand what they were agreeing too

This is not an us vs them situation.

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You really are a loon, I hope you get the help you need

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

As I said, the problem is the interpretation and the inflexibility of the EU.

The PM went with the deal because that’s what he was being pressured to do, but as the EU continue to demonstrate how unreasonable they can be, they will be making the case for us that we should give notice to terminate the Brexit deal.

It’s not the end of the world, and at least it will enable us to make more effective use of our time. In the meantime, we will look elsewhere for as many of our imports as is practical, and this will not be good news for the EU. But you know what, tough!

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Sorry, mate but it’s not me that’s the loon. As I have said more than once now, the problem is not so much the document as its interpretation. You may want to look that word up if you don’t understand what it means.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

"Pressured"?

He rushed the Agreement through the HoC in 16 hours - he’s the one who put the pressure on.

The EU offered an Extension -BoJo said "no".

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-f...iod-extension/

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Which chilled meat products are being imported into the EU Market?

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You trying to say they didn't know what they were voting for

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They were trying to sit on the fence, and we all know that just leads to splinters in the cheeks.

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Yes, pressured. Have you forgotten all the angst expressed by the opposition about getting a deal? ‘No deal’ was presented as being nothing short of apocalyptic.

Most Brexiteers wanted a ‘no deal’ and now everyone knows why.

You know very well why there was no appetite for an extension. I’m a little surprised that you have forgotten already (which, of course, you haven’t).

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Have you missed the point that the issue is not what we have signed up for, but a reasonable interpretation of the Protocol’s provisions?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

That's not a point, why are you relying on interpretation with a legally binding treaty, you rely on what's written in it not on how someone might interpret it, they saw your mate bozo coming, surprised he didn't come back with a handful of magic beans in exchange for the crown jewels whilst he was at it

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Every document needs interpretation. That’s what courts are there for!

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The courts are there as a remedy in the last resort for when things go wrong. Not as an everday part of the process.

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:LOL:

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I thought they were also used to give a definitive answer where both parties claimed the 'wording' meant different things :shrug:

Edit: I thought that Brown character had sold all the crown jewels ages ago?

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