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OLD BOY 17-07-2019 14:44
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36003031)
I would also like to know how having streaming only will be better than the current offering (linear tv with a few streaming options)?

By your own admission streaming sports is not easy or viable at present (and that you don't watch sport), therefore linear channels will remain, if only for sport, in the forseeable future.
Because you can go straight to the programme you want without waiting for the scheduled time. If you have missed the linear spot, you can still see it via on demand.

As far as sport is concerned, it is true that there are problems to be overcome, but we are getting there, and the latency problems will be resolved soon - the BBC has already worked out how. We will see just how close we are when Amazon stream the football in December.

jfman 17-07-2019 15:05
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You do know people can do all that right now in addition to timeshifting and live.

Both of those don't require internet connections if there is an internet outage in your area. Or if the internet is just crap where you are. Or you are content with ADSL2+.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 16:27
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003046)
You do know people can do all that right now in addition to timeshifting and live.

Both of those don't require internet connections if there is an internet outage in your area. Or if the internet is just crap where you are. Or you are content with ADSL2+.
Yes, they can do both now. However, habits are changing and there is likely to come a point where linear channels are viewed as an unnecessary expense. That is all I am saying.

jfman 17-07-2019 16:30
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We've done this one. Costs buttons to maintain a linear presence if you own the content anyway.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 16:33
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003052)
We've done this one. Costs buttons to maintain a linear presence if you own the content anyway.
Yes, but you still have the bother of organising the schedules, filling the ads at specific slots, continuity announcements and so forth. You also have to pay for EPG slots, etc.

Why bother when you can just upload the lot?

Media Boy UK 17-07-2019 16:45
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We found some HD Channels did move to an new steam last night.

Animal Planet HD
More4 HD
ZooMoo HD
Sky Thriller HD
Sky Action HD
Sky Sports Football HD
SONY MAX HD

You will have to re-Add them to your Favourites.

jfman 17-07-2019 17:06
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003053)
Yes, but you still have the bother of organising the schedules, filling the ads at specific slots, continuity announcements and so forth. You also have to pay for EPG slots, etc.

Why bother when you can just upload the lot?
No bother at all as long as you have eyeballs looking at it, people tweeting about it and tabloids talking about it.

Take Love Island for example. I’m going to guess it’s so far beneath you I’ll make a synopsis available for the forum. The “plebs” seem to enjoy watching fellow semi attractive plebs of limited intelligence romancing, occasionally folk get voted off, but they all aspire to turn up to local nightclubs in your local towns/villages for small appearance fees.

Anyway, the mass interest in it results in people engaging with each other in real life the following morning to discuss it, at coffee machines, break out areas, on trains and in other public places. All in all it’s a bit of a menace really.

My point being it doesn’t work being dumped online at a certain time as a series. Or even nightly - tens of thousands of people engage on Twitter in a way they couldn’t unless they all hit play at the exact same time.

An EPG slot costs about 40 grand does it not? Considering you’re pushing Amazon into a £5bn TV deal with no plan to make a profit I think you can give me a pass on that one.

Media Boy UK 17-07-2019 17:29
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One year old this weekend:

July 21st - Virgin Media UK added new channels to network.
July 22nd - Virgin Media UK drop UKTV Channels but their relaunch on August 11th.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 19:06
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003030)
You can not buy it all you like, that doesn't change the reality.

The Amazon on V6 thing doesn't change much to be honest. I gave an opinion on it and it went the other way. I don't have the strength of feeling you seem to think I do.
Amazon on the V6 proves that however much you argue the economics of it all don't allow it, you can be proved very wrong.

Let's watch this space and see if it happens again soon! :D

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003066)
No bother at all as long as you have eyeballs looking at it, people tweeting about it and tabloids talking about it.

Take Love Island for example. I’m going to guess it’s so far beneath you I’ll make a synopsis available for the forum. The “plebs” seem to enjoy watching fellow semi attractive plebs of limited intelligence romancing, occasionally folk get voted off, but they all aspire to turn up to local nightclubs in your local towns/villages for small appearance fees.

Anyway, the mass interest in it results in people engaging with each other in real life the following morning to discuss it, at coffee machines, break out areas, on trains and in other public places. All in all it’s a bit of a menace really.

My point being it doesn’t work being dumped online at a certain time as a series. Or even nightly - tens of thousands of people engage on Twitter in a way they couldn’t unless they all hit play at the exact same time.

An EPG slot costs about 40 grand does it not? Considering you’re pushing Amazon into a £5bn TV deal with no plan to make a profit I think you can give me a pass on that one.
Well, that's £40 grand that can be saved straight away then....Next!

jfman 17-07-2019 19:10
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003078)
Amazon on the V6 proves that however much you argue the economics of it all don't allow it, you can be proved very wrong.

Let's watch this space and see if it happens again soon! :D
What's an Amazon app on the V6 got to do with the economic viability (or otherwise?) of a streaming platform? An Amazon app on Virgin was literally a 50/50 guess. Unless Virgin start funding it, or Amazon start doing promos for Virgin customers, it's an economic zero net effect.

It's a quick win for Virgin's PR team to say you can watch all the football on a V6 box at Christmas*.

*seperate subscription to Amazon Prime required.

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Well, that's £40 grand that can be saved straight away then....Next!
And lose access to up to 11 million set top boxes. I can see why you aren't good at this economics thing.

Raider999 17-07-2019 19:40
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003041)
Because you can go straight to the programme you want without waiting for the scheduled time. If you have missed the linear spot, you can still see it via on demand.

As far as sport is concerned, it is true that there are problems to be overcome, but we are getting there, and the latency problems will be resolved soon - the BBC has already worked out how. We will see just how close we are when Amazon stream the football in December.
Interesting, not sure how you can watch a football match without waiting for the scheduled time, but if you can enlighten me I will be able to clean up at the bookies:D

Mad Max 17-07-2019 20:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36003081)
Interesting, not sure how you can watch a football match without waiting for the scheduled time, but if you can enlighten me I will be able to clean up at the bookies:D
To be fair, I'm sure OB wasn't talking about live football.

jfman 17-07-2019 20:31
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36003081)
Interesting, not sure how you can watch a football match without waiting for the scheduled time, but if you can enlighten me I will be able to clean up at the bookies:D
The same bookies won't be pleased if streaming prevents in play betting due to 1-2 minute delays.

OLD BOY 18-07-2019 07:27
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003096)
The same bookies won't be pleased if streaming prevents in play betting due to 1-2 minute delays.
The BBC is reported to have worked out how to resolve the latency issues with streaming.

jfman 18-07-2019 07:54
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003132)
The BBC is reported to have worked out how to resolve the latency issues with streaming.
Has it been deployed? Has anyone tested it on this forum? Is it widely available technology? I'm sure iPlayer is still behind "live".

So many questions, so little time.


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