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denphone 28-09-2018 18:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35964776)
I don't think Sky or Virgin will be in any hurry to add this channel to their sports portfolio to be honest. The best I can see is a Elevens Sport app.
l can't even see that personally.

OLD BOY 28-09-2018 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964771)
Well several months on diddly squat has happened OB.
In which case, my best advice to you is don't subscribe, Den.

If there are not enough subscribers, it will fold.

denphone 28-09-2018 19:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964785)
In which case, my best advice to you is don't subscribe, Den.

If there are not enough subscribers, it will fold.
It was doomed from the start IMO OB.

OLD BOY 28-09-2018 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964790)
It was doomed from the start IMO OB.
I bow to your judgement, oh Prophet of Doom. :waving:

denphone 28-09-2018 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964794)
I bow to your judgement, oh Prophet of Doom. :waving:
l think that title is rather more descriptive of you OB.;):D

OLD BOY 28-09-2018 19:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964795)
l think that title is rather more descriptive of you OB.;):D
No, I have a very optimistic view of the future, Den, and I can't wait for all the new streaming services coming our way.

I'm not sure if you have come to terms with the coming demise of linear channels yet, old chap! Yet what replaces them will be so much better.

muppetman11 28-09-2018 19:40
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And so much more costly if everything pans out the way you'd have us believe.

denphone 28-09-2018 20:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964798)
No, I have a very optimistic view of the future, Den, and I can't wait for all the new streaming services coming our way.

I'm not sure if you have come to terms with the coming demise of linear channels yet, old chap! Yet what replaces them will be so much better.
They will be here long after l have gone the way of the dodo that is for sure.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35964801)
And so much more costly if everything pans out the way you'd have us believe.
Sometimes what someone believes is more a case of what they want to believe rather then how things happens in the reality of the real world.

telegramsam 28-09-2018 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964783)
l can't even see that personally.
You're probably right. I don't know all they offer but for me I'm only interested in the Spanish and Italian football, and even that I can take or leave. I definitely don't intend on paying for another sports channel I can get all I want from Sky sports and BT sports. The samereason why I don't sub to Premiet sports

OLD BOY 28-09-2018 22:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35964801)
And so much more costly if everything pans out the way you'd have us believe.
Well, the jury is out on sports, but in terms of general entertainment, there is quite clearly better value from the likes of Netflix and Amazon compared with our traditional pay TV channels. Just compare the cost of Amazon, Netflix and the Now TV cinema and entertainment packs with cable and satellite subscriptions. And of course, Freeview is free.

What more evidence do you need?

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964802)
They will be here long after l have gone the way of the dodo that is for sure.
I know that's your view, Den. However, I have yet to understand why you think that!

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35964805)
You're probably right. I don't know all they offer but for me I'm only interested in the Spanish and Italian football, and even that I can take or leave. I definitely don't intend on paying for another sports channel I can get all I want from Sky sports and BT sports. The samereason why I don't sub to Premiet sports
As far as sports is concerned, I agree that we will have to see!

batchain 29-09-2018 04:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964771)
Well several months on diddly squat has happened OB.
No different from other countries where Eleven Sports launched online before securing cable carriage. Liberty Global's Telenet and UPC Poland both carry Eleven Sports, the more content they add the harder it will be for the likes of Virgin to ignore them.


http://elevensports.com/eleven-sport...ip-in-belgium/

https://www.upc.pl/telewizja/kup/pak...et-mega-sport/

denphone 29-09-2018 04:51
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Originally Posted by batchain (Post 35964819)
No different from other countries where Eleven Sports launched online before securing cable carriage. Liberty Global's Telenet and UPC Poland both carry Eleven Sports, the more content they add the harder it will be for the likes of Virgin to ignore them.


http://elevensports.com/eleven-sport...ip-in-belgium/

https://www.upc.pl/telewizja/kup/pak...et-mega-sport/
Well one remains to be convinced by that as perhaps they can give us some figures on how many customers they have attracted online thus so far in this country and one suspects it ain't that many and certainly not enough to attract platform carriage from Sky and Virgin IMO.

OLD BOY 29-09-2018 10:43
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ITV continue to experience problems with their streaming services. Perhaps they should get a move on with the BBC's SVOD project so they can tap into the Beeb's expertise in this field. ITV do seem to have made a pig's ear of their on demand service, which is inexcusable given how much they are charging for it.

Nice to see that Virgin Media fared a lot better with ITV Box Office than other services, including Sky. Did anyone viewing this via Virgin experience any problems?

http://www.a516digital.com/2018/09/t...ox-office.html

muppetman11 29-09-2018 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964807)
Well, the jury is out on sports, but in terms of general entertainment, there is quite clearly better value from the likes of Netflix and Amazon compared with our traditional pay TV channels. Just compare the cost of Amazon, Netflix and the Now TV cinema and entertainment packs with cable and satellite subscriptions. And of course, Freeview is free.

What more evidence do you need?
You keep championing all these services going alone via the streaming method over the last few years you've mentioned HBO selling direct Showtime and all the movie studios when their deals expire with Sky how costly is that likely to be when many people have all this currently included in their bundles ?

Sky Cinema can be added on Sky for £10 a month with an 18 month commitment and costs £9.99 on Now TV how would people save money if each studio went direct to consumer on it's own.

Both Netflix and Amazon use the same model as Sky and Virgin a mixture of their own content mixed with third party content the only difference being it's all delivered On Demand rather than a mixture of linear and On Demand.

Unknownguy 29-09-2018 12:47
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Do we think VM would make moves to get Eleven Sports added soon in time for El Clasico next month? They could spin it as all the football in one place!

denphone 29-09-2018 12:54
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Personally l cannot see it.

Uncle Peter 29-09-2018 13:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by batchain (Post 35964819)
No different from other countries where Eleven Sports launched online before securing cable carriage. Liberty Global's Telenet and UPC Poland both carry Eleven Sports, the more content they add the harder it will be for the likes of Virgin to ignore them.


http://elevensports.com/eleven-sport...ip-in-belgium/

https://www.upc.pl/telewizja/kup/pak...et-mega-sport/
Argentina Superliga please. I'm surprised that none of the networks have picked the rights up for UK consumption yet. Boca v River Superclasico is always a decent draw.

OLD BOY 29-09-2018 13:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35964844)
You keep championing all these services going alone via the streaming method over the last few years you've mentioned HBO selling direct Showtime and all the movie studios when their deals expire with Sky how costly is that likely to be when many people have all this currently included in their bundles ?

Sky Cinema can be added on Sky for £10 a month with an 18 month commitment and costs £9.99 on Now TV how would people save money if each studio went direct to consumer on it's own.

Both Netflix and Amazon use the same model as Sky and Virgin a mixture of their own content mixed with third party content the only difference being it's all delivered On Demand rather than a mixture of linear and On Demand.
It's only more expensive if you take all these streaming services and add them to your satellite pay channels. As you know, my view is that the conventional linear pay tv channels will disappear over the next decade or so as more and more people migrate to the streaming alternatives.

In future, there are likely to be bundles of streaming services rather than bundles of channels. Hayu is already part of Virgin's Full House bundle.

muppetman11 29-09-2018 13:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964861)
It's only more expensive if you take all these streaming services and add them to your satellite pay channels. As you know, my view is that the conventional linear pay tv channels will disappear over the next decade or so as more and more people migrate to the streaming alternatives.

In future, there are likely to be bundles of streaming services rather than bundles of channels. Hayu is already part of Virgin's Full House bundle.
No I'm on about subscribing to streaming services once they all go it alone as you keep asking for.

OLD BOY 29-09-2018 14:55
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35964865)
No I'm on about subscribing to streaming services once they all go it alone as you keep asking for.
Well, as things stand they are cheaper and have better quality content on them and that’s why the streaming alternative is so compelling.

Incidentally, I’m not ‘asking’ for this, just stating the obvious about which way all this is going.

denphone 29-09-2018 17:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964869)
Well, as things stand they are cheaper and have better quality content on them and that’s why the streaming alternative is so compelling.

Incidentally, I’m not ‘asking’ for this, just stating the obvious about which way all this is going.
Your opinion but not the opinion of the majority.

OLD BOY 29-09-2018 18:06
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35964879)
Your opinion but not the opinion of the majority.
Er, how do you define the majority, Den, and how do you know this?

Can I just gently remind you that the BBC are preparing for this very eventuality (the closure of linear channels) in relation to the TV licence review in 2028 - just 10 years away.

Or if you are talking about the 'quality', perhaps you should list the programmes on pay tv that you would put into that category and compare this against what is available on Netflix and Amazon.

Frankly, unless you are into reality TV and dumbed down crap, I don't understand how you could possibly come to such a conclusion.

I am very happy to consider alternative evidence, but haven't heard it yet.

Chad 29-09-2018 21:00
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Has anything been published in regards to the success of bbc three since it closed as a linear channel and moved to streaming? This would be the best measuring stick possible. A channel who's demographic is millenials. Did it become more popular? Did it get more views?

OLD BOY 29-09-2018 21:03
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35964901)
Has anything been published in regards to the success of bbc three since it closed as a linear channel and moved to streaming? This would be the best measuring stick possible. A channel who's demographic is millenials. Did it become more popular? Did it get more views?
I would imagine it would be disappointing as there is not much to promote it, at least that I have seen.

That doesn't mean by any legitimate construction, that streaming will not be a success.

Uncle Peter 29-09-2018 23:12
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I would be quite happy for all football to go down the streaming only route, particularly the Premier League.

The whole punditry circus and fluff show that surrounds the current linear tv model is completely unnecessary imho and the fact that the likes of Shearer, Lineker et al are paid a small fortune for providing what's no more than meaningless filler at the expense of the licence payer (or subscriber) is unpalatable to say the least.

alwaysabear 29-09-2018 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35964909)
I would be quite happy for all football to go down the streaming only route, particularly the Premier League.

The whole punditry circus and fluff show that surrounds the current linear tv model is completely unnecessary imho and the fact that the likes of Shearer, Lineker et al are paid a small fortune for providing what's no more than meaningless filler at the expense of the licence payer (or subscriber) is unpalatable to say the least.
Well I certainly would not, live streaming of football matches has to be proven. Far to many problems at the moment as with other live streaming of sport.

OLD BOY 30-09-2018 00:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35964911)
Well I certainly would not, live streaming of football matches has to be proven. Far to many problems at the moment as with other live streaming of sport.
It won’t be long before those problems are resolved. Once these obstacles have been overcome, there will not be any reasons left for shunning live streaming.

ITV Box Office is really not a good example of how live streaming should be, I think we can all agree on that!

denphone 30-09-2018 04:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35964901)
Has anything been published in regards to the success of bbc three since it closed as a linear channel and moved to streaming? This would be the best measuring stick possible. A channel who's demographic is millenials. Did it become more popular? Did it get more views?
Of course it did in in someone's great imaginary streaming world where Linear is dead and streaming is king.;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964902)
I would imagine it would be disappointing as there is not much to promote it, at least that I have seen.

That doesn't mean by any legitimate construction, that streaming will not be a success.
As usual your answer changes with every post..

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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35964911)
Well I certainly would not, live streaming of football matches has to be proven. Far to many problems at the moment as with other live streaming of sport.
And that will still be the same many years down the road IMO.

muppetman11 30-09-2018 12:31
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Sky Sports Racing will be the exclusive pay TV broadcast home of French racing in the UK and Ireland for three years from January 1st 2019, At The Races and PMU announced on Wednesday.
https://www.skysports.com/racing/new...n-from-january

alwaysabear 30-09-2018 12:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964921)
It won’t be long before those problems are resolved. Once these obstacles have been overcome, there will not be any reasons left for shunning live streaming.

ITV Box Office is really not a good example of how live streaming should be, I think we can all agree on that!
When they sort all the problems fine, but I am not sure it will be anytime soon. Game Pass from NFL is still having problems 10 years or more since it started:(

denphone 30-09-2018 13:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35964956)
Next will be the main UK terrestrial rights which are owned by ITV currently.

Uncle Peter 30-09-2018 13:54
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Had a play around with Eleven Sports yesterday on the iPad trying to get it working with Chromecast for the Juve game and I had to install the iOS app because the casting icon wasn't appearing on the Safari browser.

Lo and behold if you use the app there are full games available on demand as opposed to the website where you only appear to have canned highlights available after the event.

Raider999 03-10-2018 22:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35964909)
I would be quite happy for all football to go down the streaming only route, particularly the Premier League.

The whole punditry circus and fluff show that surrounds the current linear tv model is completely unnecessary imho and the fact that the likes of Shearer, Lineker et al are paid a small fortune for providing what's no more than meaningless filler at the expense of the licence payer (or subscriber) is unpalatable to say the least.
Don't watch it then - record the broadcast abandoned start watching 20 mins after kick-off, FF thrum the half time ignore everything but the match.

Thus is what I do.

If streaming us as people describe 11 Sports then I wouldn't watch it, however much it cost!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35964969)
Had a play around with Eleven Sports yesterday on the iPad trying to get it working with Chromecast for the Juve game and I had to install the iOS app because the casting icon wasn't appearing on the Safari browser.

Lo and behold if you use the app there are full games available on demand as opposed to the website where you only appear to have canned highlights available after the event.

Are you saying you could come in on Saturday evening and watch any of the matches streamed live earlier in the day in HD quality and full length not highlights?

Uncle Peter 04-10-2018 10:36
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35965307)

Are you saying you could come in on Saturday evening and watch any of the matches streamed live earlier in the day in HD quality and full length not highlights?
Yes. Screenshot below along the bottom. There’s 3 weeks of games to watch in that scrolling list. You Only get the full game replays in the app though, not on the website.

Attachment 27559

Forgot to mention: No Eredivisie games on replay which is a shame.

Raider999 05-10-2018 23:04
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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35965331)
Yes. Screenshot below along the bottom. There’s 3 weeks of games to watch in that scrolling list. You Only get the full game replays in the app though, not on the website.

Attachment 27559

Forgot to mention: No Eredivisie games on replay which is a shame.
I see the list of games, but are they in HD quality?

You say they are only available on the App - is it possible to get this on your tv? Thru virgin?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964921)
It won’t be long before those problems are resolved. Once these obstacles have been overcome, there will not be any reasons left for shunning live streaming.

ITV Box Office is really not a good example of how live streaming should be, I think we can all agree on that!
Define 'won't be long' please

OLD BOY 05-10-2018 23:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35965460)
I see the list of games, but are they in HD quality?

You say they are only available on the App - is it possible to get this on your tv? Thru virgin?

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Define 'won't be long' please
Well, how can I, any more than anyone else, answer that question with any precision?

All I can say is that in about 15 years’ time, streaming services will have largely taken over from traditional linear channels.

It is ridiculous to try to define a specific timeline. Your guess is as good as mine.

Uncle Peter 05-10-2018 23:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35965460)
I see the list of games, but are they in HD quality?

You say they are only available on the App - is it possible to get this on your tv? Thru virgin?

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No I don't think it looks HD quality, more like 720p to me. 50 quid for the year for a ton of games isn't bad though.

Unfortunately there's no app for Smart TV yet. The screenshot is of the iOS app which you can stream to Chromecast.

Raider999 06-10-2018 11:25
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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35965469)
No I don't think it looks HD quality, more like 720p to me. 50 quid for the year for a ton of games isn't bad though.

Unfortunately there's no app for Smart TV yet. The screenshot is of the iOS app which you can stream to Chromecast.
Thanks for the replies, whilst it sounds good value, I have never really watched any of those leagues when included in my sky package so am very unlikely to pay extra now to watch them.

batchain 06-10-2018 17:33
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Telegraph article (registration required) says Eleven Sports could be close to securing a deal with Virgin

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ort-heads-top/

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Eleven’s only way to recoup its investment is by selling streaming subscriptions direct to consumers, and its rivals at BT and Sky are, for now, happy to keep it that way.

A boost may be imminent. It is understood Virgin Media is close to agreeing terms to offer Eleven as part of its pay-TV packages.

The UFC’s lucrative pay-per-view fights could be the key to distribution deals with BT and Sky. “We are not without leverage,” says Watson. “We are not some little guy fighting to succeed.”

telegramsam 06-10-2018 17:47
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Speaking personally I would like to have Eleven Sports as part of my Sky Sports sub BUT I would not pay any amount of money as a stand alone channel because they're just not offering enough of what I like. I sub for BT Sports because I want to see English Premier league games,FA Cup games and Champions League games.

vincerooney 06-10-2018 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35965525)
Speaking personally I would like to have Eleven Sports as part of my Sky Sports sub BUT I would not pay any amount of money as a stand alone channel because they're just not offering enough of what I like. I sub for BT Sports because I want to see English Premier league games,FA Cup games and Champions League games.
From what i've heard they're already sort of struggling and are surprised by the lack of subscribers. They must have thought based on the stupid amounts we pay we'd pay EVEN MORE to watch italian and spanish league and are now sat there stupidly scratching their heads

Hope its true as it'll maybe warn off other companies who come in to try and make some quick cash

batchain 06-10-2018 18:21
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35965526)
From what i've heard they're already sort of struggling and are surprised by the lack of subscribers. They must have thought based on the stupid amounts we pay we'd pay EVEN MORE to watch italian and spanish league and are now sat there stupidly scratching their heads

Hope its true as it'll maybe warn off other companies who come in to try and make some quick cash
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ort-heads-top/

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Watson disagrees. “We don’t need to do those deals [with Sky, BT] but we would like to because we think it makes sense for customers and at the end of the day it is the customer that is the boss.”

A boost may be imminent. It is understood Virgin Media is close to agreeing terms to offer Eleven as part of its pay-TV packages.

Ioris Francini, the co-president of minority shareholder Endeavor, says direct-to-consumer sales have progressed “better than expected” and that Endeavor intends to increase its stake. Ownership of subscription streaming services is one way in which Endeavor aims to use its strength as a talent agent, representing top sports stars, to take a bigger share of income. He believes that UFC’s lucrative pay-per-view fights could be the key to distribution deals with BT and Sky.

“We are not without leverage,” says Watson. “We are not some little guy fighting to succeed.”

telegramsam 06-10-2018 18:29
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Eleven Sports aren't going to admit it if they are struggling to get subscribers as it will put others off,plus it would make then look less attractive to Sky and Virgin.

Mad Max 06-10-2018 19:11
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Why would you subscribe to them anyway, what do they offer that Sky Sports doesn't? If they got the rights to the EPL at a lower cost to the customer, then great, but that's never going to happen.

batchain 06-10-2018 19:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35965530)
Eleven Sports aren't going to admit it if they are struggling to get subscribers as it will put others off,plus it would make then look less attractive to Sky and Virgin.
There's no reason to admit to struggling if sales have progressed "better than expected" or perhaps you know better than the co-president of sports and entertainment giant Endeavor or indeed Virgin Media who are said to be close to agreeing terms. If you have evidence that they are struggling then maybe you should provide it.

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35965531)
Why would you subscribe to them anyway, what do they offer that Sky Sports doesn't? If they got the rights to the EPL at a lower cost to the customer, then great, but that's never going to happen.
Same reason why you would subscribe to any service, because they offer content that you want to watch. For Eleven Sports the draw is La Liga, Serie A, and soon UFC.

alwaysabear 06-10-2018 23:04
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Originally Posted by batchain (Post 35965533)

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Same reason why you would subscribe to any service, because they offer content that you want to watch. For Eleven Sports the draw is La Liga, Serie A, and soon UFC.
Unfortunately for them not enough of us are prepared to pay extra, when we are used to them as part of a bigger package.

OLD BOY 07-10-2018 10:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35965568)
Unfortunately for them not enough of us are prepared to pay extra, when we are used to them as part of a bigger package.
But fortunately for them, if Virgin do a 'BT Sport-type wholesale deal', Eleven Sports will get a guaranteed audience (or at least income) from Virgin Media. Thus, everyone's happy. Virgin get to provide a better offering than its rivals for no extra charge on the Full House pack which will attract customers, sport fans will get more choice and Eleven builds on revenues from the UK audience.

What's not to like?

denphone 07-10-2018 10:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35965599)
But fortunately for them, if Virgin do a 'BT Sport-type wholesale deal', Eleven Sports will get a guaranteed audience (or at least income) from Virgin Media. Thus, everyone's happy. Virgin get to provide a better offering than its rivals for no extra charge on the Full House pack which will attract customers, sport fans will get more choice and Eleven builds on revenues from the UK audience.

What's not to like?
Plenty to like if it happens..

telegramsam 07-10-2018 11:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by batchain (Post 35965533)
There's no reason to admit to struggling if sales have progressed "better than expected" or perhaps you know better than the co-president of sports and entertainment giant Endeavor or indeed Virgin Media who are said to be close to agreeing terms. If you have evidence that they are struggling then maybe you should provide it.
Sorry where do I say they're struggling? Read again!
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Same reason why you would subscribe to any service, because they offer content that you want to watch. For Eleven Sports the draw is La Liga, Serie A, and soon UFC.


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What Eleven Sports are offering at present isn't enough for me to pay extra to sub to them. I like watching the occasional Italian and Spanish football match but I can easily do without then. I have more than enough football on Sky Sports, BT Sports and Free sports.

Mad Max 07-10-2018 12:33
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35965615)


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What Eleven Sports are offering at present isn't enough for me to pay extra to sub to them. I like watching the occasional Italian and Spanish football match but I can easily do without then. I have more than enough football on Sky Sports, BT Sports and Free sports.
This ^ ^ x100

OLD BOY 07-10-2018 15:32
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An altogether more positive take on Eleven Sports in this article from the Daily Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ort-heads-top/

[Extracts]

Man who brought Premier League football to BT is out to shake up sports broadcasting once again, writes Christopher Williams “IT WAS great fun doing that,” says Marc Watson, recalling his time as the head of BT’s television business as it mounted a surprise raid on the Premier League rights auction and within months had set up a cutting-edge broadcasting operation.

“We really felt like we were changing the market. And we were.” Now he is attempting another high-risk, high-technology attack on the pay-TV market as chief executive of Eleven Sports. Backed by Andrea Radrizzani, the Italian owner of Leeds United, with further investment and production support from Endeavor, Watson is this time attempting to overhaul the sports broadcasting establishment in several countries at once.

From its base in a Mayfair backstreet, Eleven, a reference to the number of players in a football team, has assembled collections of live rights in 11 markets including Italy, Poland and Portugal, and as far afield as Taiwan. Well established in some territories, Watson is now tackling the turf he knows best in the UK. Eleven launched its streaming subscription service in August with live top-flight Italian and Spanish football, snatched away from BT Sport and Sky Sports. At the end of last month it sealed a deal with Endeavor for rights to the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), the mixed martial arts competition previously broadcast by BT Sport.

“What we’re always looking for is a gap in the market,”says Watson. “Those gaps can be different from place to place but we’re looking for something that consumers want and they’re not getting. “In the UK what we see is a gap for an independent premium sports service because there isn’t one. “There’s one tethered to BT, there’s one tethered to Sky and both of them are very premium, meaning that they’re quite expensive. There’s a gap for an independent player making the service available to everybody at an affordable price.”

Watson thinks Eleven will confound the sceptics by bringing in young audiences. They are watching less live sport on traditional pay-TV, prompting nervousness among rights holders about participation and the long-term value of their assets. “We think that young people today are just as interested in sport as previous generations,”says Watson. “Some people will tell you young people are not interested in sport, they’re just interested in watching short videos on YouTube and that’s it. You’ve lost that generation. We think that’s nonsense.”“It’s just that it’s very, very expensive to access. And frankly, as the music industry showed, if young people can’t access something at a price they think is reasonable they will just pirate it from an illegal streaming site, which are very easy to access. It’s a real problem for the sports industry.”

A boost may be imminent. It is understood Virgin Media is close to agreeing terms to offer Eleven as part of its pay-TV packages. Ioris Francini, the co-president of minority shareholder Endeavor, says direct-to-consumer sales have progressed “better than expected” and that Endeavor intends to increase its stake. Ownership of subscription streaming services is one way in which Endeavor aims to use its strength as a talent agent, representing top sports stars, to take a bigger share of income. He believes that UFC’s lucrative pay-per-view fights could be the key to distribution deals with BT and Sky. “We are not without leverage,” says Watson. “We are not some little guy fighting to succeed.” ■

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35965615)


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What Eleven Sports are offering at present isn't enough for me to pay extra to sub to them. I like watching the occasional Italian and Spanish football match but I can easily do without then. I have more than enough football on Sky Sports, BT Sports and Free sports.
They have to start somewhere, Sam.

telegramsam 07-10-2018 17:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35965654)
An altogether more positive take on Eleven Sports in this article from the Daily Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ort-heads-top/

[Extracts]

Man who brought Premier League football to BT is out to shake up sports broadcasting once again, writes Christopher Williams “IT WAS great fun doing that,” says Marc Watson, recalling his time as the head of BT’s television business as it mounted a surprise raid on the Premier League rights auction and within months had set up a cutting-edge broadcasting operation.

“We really felt like we were changing the market. And we were.” Now he is attempting another high-risk, high-technology attack on the pay-TV market as chief executive of Eleven Sports. Backed by Andrea Radrizzani, the Italian owner of Leeds United, with further investment and production support from Endeavor, Watson is this time attempting to overhaul the sports broadcasting establishment in several countries at once.

From its base in a Mayfair backstreet, Eleven, a reference to the number of players in a football team, has assembled collections of live rights in 11 markets including Italy, Poland and Portugal, and as far afield as Taiwan. Well established in some territories, Watson is now tackling the turf he knows best in the UK. Eleven launched its streaming subscription service in August with live top-flight Italian and Spanish football, snatched away from BT Sport and Sky Sports. At the end of last month it sealed a deal with Endeavor for rights to the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), the mixed martial arts competition previously broadcast by BT Sport.

“What we’re always looking for is a gap in the market,”says Watson. “Those gaps can be different from place to place but we’re looking for something that consumers want and they’re not getting. “In the UK what we see is a gap for an independent premium sports service because there isn’t one. “There’s one tethered to BT, there’s one tethered to Sky and both of them are very premium, meaning that they’re quite expensive. There’s a gap for an independent player making the service available to everybody at an affordable price.”

Watson thinks Eleven will confound the sceptics by bringing in young audiences. They are watching less live sport on traditional pay-TV, prompting nervousness among rights holders about participation and the long-term value of their assets. “We think that young people today are just as interested in sport as previous generations,”says Watson. “Some people will tell you young people are not interested in sport, they’re just interested in watching short videos on YouTube and that’s it. You’ve lost that generation. We think that’s nonsense.”“It’s just that it’s very, very expensive to access. And frankly, as the music industry showed, if young people can’t access something at a price they think is reasonable they will just pirate it from an illegal streaming site, which are very easy to access. It’s a real problem for the sports industry.”

A boost may be imminent. It is understood Virgin Media is close to agreeing terms to offer Eleven as part of its pay-TV packages. Ioris Francini, the co-president of minority shareholder Endeavor, says direct-to-consumer sales have progressed “better than expected” and that Endeavor intends to increase its stake. Ownership of subscription streaming services is one way in which Endeavor aims to use its strength as a talent agent, representing top sports stars, to take a bigger share of income. He believes that UFC’s lucrative pay-per-view fights could be the key to distribution deals with BT and Sky. “We are not without leverage,” says Watson. “We are not some little guy fighting to succeed.” ■

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They have to start somewhere, Sam.
True but as I say AT PRESENT they aren't offering anything of interest to me.

jfman 07-10-2018 17:51
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I’m not sure every new entrant with a niche product should be encouraged to enter the market. The subset of people paying for Eleven only would be so small as to be irrelevant. The remainder adding it to other products are paying more.

The sales being better than expected is something they’d say anyway, unless it directly contradicts something in the already in public domain if they are publicly listed.

My thoughts on the biggest shareholder looking at increasing its share are that other shareholders want out. A wholesale deal with Virgin is probably the last throw of the dice.

OLD BOY 07-10-2018 18:50
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35965670)
I’m not sure every new entrant with a niche product should be encouraged to enter the market. The subset of people paying for Eleven only would be so small as to be irrelevant. The remainder adding it to other products are paying more.

The sales being better than expected is something they’d say anyway, unless it directly contradicts something in the already in public domain if they are publicly listed.

My thoughts on the biggest shareholder looking at increasing its share are that other shareholders want out. A wholesale deal with Virgin is probably the last throw of the dice.
I think you are being unduly pessimistic about Eleven's prospects. They have established themselves in other countries and they appear to know what they are doing.

jfman 07-10-2018 20:32
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I accept I'm being quite pessimistic, but it's hard to see where the subscribers come from. BARB viewer numbers weren't high for the content when it had far wider distribution.

Setanta were established in other countries, but ultimately owners and shareholders won't put up with losses forever.

It's been quoted Sky paid £18m last season for La Liga alone. Eleven would need 360 000 subscribers at £50 a year to cover that ignoring taxes, other costs, etc.

I suppose if they could get a wholesale deal with Virgin, maybe 25p per XL (whatever they call that these days) would give them about £5m towards costs.

Raider999 07-10-2018 21:16
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If Eleven Sports is added to my Virgin package at no extra cost, I will watch the Barcelona v Real Madrid games but doubtful on anything else.

I want BT sports for the Premiership Rugby - it wouldn't worry me if I didn't get the football (plenty on sky).

jfman 07-10-2018 21:22
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35965689)
If Eleven Sports is added to my Virgin package at no extra cost, I will watch the Barcelona v Real Madrid games but doubtful on anything else.

I want BT sports for the Premiership Rugby - it wouldn't worry me if I didn't get the football (plenty on sky).
I think that's the thing with football. There's more football than ever before on, and in the past the evidence was that people are being more selective with the games they watch as opposed to watching more football.

On top of that I think there's scope for BT to hype up other leagues they add to their portfolio - in particular France/Germany.

denphone 08-10-2018 11:39
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Sky Sports Racing signs exclusive Hong Kong deal.

http://www.attheraces.com/news/2018/...hong-kong-deal

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At The Races and Sky Sports Racing will be the exclusive, new non-terrestrial broadcast home of Hong Kong racing in the UK and Ireland until July 2022, At The Races and The Hong Kong Jockey Club announced today.

OLD BOY 08-10-2018 13:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35965683)
I accept I'm being quite pessimistic, but it's hard to see where the subscribers come from. BARB viewer numbers weren't high for the content when it had far wider distribution.

Setanta were established in other countries, but ultimately owners and shareholders won't put up with losses forever.

It's been quoted Sky paid £18m last season for La Liga alone. Eleven would need 360 000 subscribers at £50 a year to cover that ignoring taxes, other costs, etc.

I suppose if they could get a wholesale deal with Virgin, maybe 25p per XL (whatever they call that these days) would give them about £5m towards costs.
Well, if they get a wholesale deal with Virgin, that will be a start. If Virgin do get it and it proves to be a pull for new subscribers, Sky and BT will sit up and take notice.

Let's see how this pans out. The channel will become more attractive as it gets more content.

telegramsam 08-10-2018 15:22
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It all depends on what content really though. The only thing that would make me consider it would be if they got English football matches. As a stand alone channel at present it's not attractive enough FOR ME PERSONALLY.
Incidently,how much does it cost to sub at present through a PC or tablet anyone?

alwaysabear 08-10-2018 16:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35965733)
It all depends on what content really though. The only thing that would make me consider it would be if they got English football matches. As a stand alone channel at present it's not attractive enough FOR ME PERSONALLY.
Incidently,how much does it cost to sub at present through a PC or tablet anyone?
I believe it was £49.50 for the year up to a certain point, its now monthly £5.99.

1andrew1 08-10-2018 19:14
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Interesting situation in Germany - after losing the Premier League TV rights to streaming provider DAZN for three years, Sky has now successfully won them for three years from 2019. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...-ousting-dazn/

denphone 08-10-2018 19:29
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35965752)
Interesting situation in Germany - after losing the Premier League TV rights to streaming provider DAZN for three years, Sky has now successfully won them for three years from 2019. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...-ousting-dazn/
Sky's epitaph has been written far too soon by some who don't really know what they are talking about...

Raider999 08-10-2018 20:23
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35965752)
Interesting situation in Germany - after losing the Premier League TV rights to streaming provider DAZN for three years, Sky has now successfully won them for three years from 2019. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...-ousting-dazn/

Was this because

1) viewing figures bombed when streamed?
2) streaming provider couldn't make it pay?
3) premier league wNted more money for the German rights?

1andrew1 08-10-2018 20:38
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35965762)
Was this because

1) viewing figures bombed when streamed?
2) streaming provider couldn't make it pay?
3) premier league wNted more money for the German rights?
DAZN are well established in Germany so I assume Sky just outbid them. That being said, I don't think they are on Sky or cable in Germany. https://watch.dazn.com/en-DE/sports/

OLD BOY 09-10-2018 13:33
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35965754)
Sky's epitaph has been written far too soon by some who don't really know what they are talking about...
Sky are going nowhere because they have and will continue to extend their global presence. They are embracing on demand now, and that includes OTT services on Sky Q, as well as rolling out their own streaming services. As long as they continue to embrace the future and offer an up-to-date, stable system, I am sure they will continue to flourish under Comcast.

As long as they don't go further downmarket, there is a bright future for Sky, but it's going to be tough in that competitive environment.

alwaysabear 09-10-2018 13:54
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35965820)
Sky are going nowhere because they have and will continue to extend their global presence. They are embracing on demand now, and that includes OTT services on Sky Q, as well as rolling out their own streaming services. As long as they continue to embrace the future and offer an up-to-date, stable system, I am sure they will continue to flourish under Comcast.

As long as they don't go further downmarket, there is a bright future for Sky, but it's going to be tough in that competitive environment.
I think that Sky's only problem in the UK is it doesn't own its broadband network.

OLD BOY 09-10-2018 14:25
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35965823)
I think that Sky's only problem in the UK is it doesn't own its broadband network.
True, although this will be less of a problem when the roll out of super-fast broadband is completed. As long as BT learn to get off their arses fast enough to fix problems on the system. That company seems to have retained far too many of its practices developed while it was in the public sector.

alwaysabear 09-10-2018 14:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35965831)
True, although this will be less of a problem when the roll out of super-fast broadband is completed. As long as BT learn to get off their arses fast enough to fix problems on the system. That company seems to have retained far too many of its practices developed while it was in the public sector.
BT suffered years of neglect as far as maintenance and cable replacement was concerned. Still probable playing catch up.

muppetman11 09-10-2018 15:09
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I guess it's down to areas , I've always found my fibre broadband connection through the numerous Openreach re-sellers to be reliable if not as fast as VM headline speeds.

telegramsam 09-10-2018 17:53
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Still waiting for fibre in my neighborhood. Mind you we don't have access to cable either.

muppetman11 09-10-2018 17:59
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35965861)
Still waiting for fibre in my neighborhood. Mind you we don't have access to cable either.
Ouch that isn't good having to rely on standard broadband over your BT line unless you live extremely close to the exchange and don't have to many people trying to access it at once.

alwaysabear 09-10-2018 18:18
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35965862)
Ouch that isn't good having to rely on standard broadband over your BT line unless you live extremely close to the exchange and don't have to many people trying to access it at once.
My daughter is in the same position and has been for two years now since moving. She has signed up for VM to consider cabling her street which is just 100 meters from a cabled area, so far no joy and is dealing with sub standard BT as she is miles from the exchange. She wouldn't mind if she lived in the countryside, but lives in a town of 170,000 :(

telegramsam 09-10-2018 20:52
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35965862)
Ouch that isn't good having to rely on standard broadband over your BT line unless you live extremely close to the exchange and don't have to many people trying to access it at once.
Yeah I guess I have to compete with a fair few others as I'm slap bang in the middle of the town centre with several shops below and opposite me who I guess will be on the internet. Having said that my broadband speed isn't too bad but I don't download films or play games on the internet.

muppetman11 15-10-2018 15:47
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Sky Sports will become the home of the NBA in the UK after announcing a new four-year broadcast and multi-platform partnership.
https://www.skysports.com/more-sport...al-partnership

alwaysabear 15-10-2018 16:33
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35966599)
Nice deal for Sky Sports watchers.

denphone 15-10-2018 20:22
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35966601)
Nice deal for Sky Sports watchers.
The end is nigh according to some...;)

Media Boy UK 15-10-2018 20:39
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966640)
The end is nigh according to some...;)
What are you on about?

Itshim 16-10-2018 16:02
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35966646)
What are you on about?
That liberty are trying to get out of cable TV all together.How ever stuck by contracts.:confused:

OLD BOY 16-10-2018 17:27
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35966722)
That liberty are trying to get out of cable TV all together.How ever stuck by contracts.:confused:
That's not what I thought he meant at all, Itshim!

denphone 17-10-2018 21:09
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Eleven Sports to stop showing live European matches at 3pm on Saturdays.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...l-on-saturdays

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The digital-only broadcaster, run by the Leeds United owner, Andrea Radrizzani, had come under pressure from the game’s stakeholders after the company had begun streaming Italian and Spanish fixtures in the UK at the same time as the majority of English clubs were playing their league matches.

1andrew1 17-10-2018 21:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966884)
Eleven Sports to stop showing live European matches at 3pm on Saturdays.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...l-on-saturdays
Bit more awareness of the Eleven Sports brand at no cost. Job's a good 'un.

OLD BOY 18-10-2018 07:21
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966884)
Eleven Sports to stop showing live European matches at 3pm on Saturdays.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...l-on-saturdays
I suspect this may not be the end of it. I think it was about time someone challenged this archaic rule.

denphone 18-10-2018 08:17
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35966913)
I suspect this may not be the end of it. I think it was about time someone challenged this archaic rule.
Why? as its important to protect the interests of the game in this country especially in the lower leagues.

OLD BOY 18-10-2018 10:06
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966919)
Why? as its important protect the interests of the game in this country especially in the lower leagues.
What about all those people who can't make it or afford to go to a football stadium?

Watching football live at a stadium will not be affected unduly if the rules were changed. People are getting fed up with being manipulated and told what they have to do. Let the public choose!

denphone 18-10-2018 10:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35966930)
What about all those people who can't make it or afford to go to a football stadium?

Watching football live at a stadium will not be affected unduly if the rules were changed. People are getting fed up with being manipulated and told what they have to do. Let the public choose!
English Lower league clubs are surviving on a shoestring as it is OB and its pretty obvious you not being a supporter of football fail to understand that and the financial consequences if the 15.00 kick off rule was taken away.

OLD BOY 18-10-2018 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966931)
English Lower league clubs are surviving on a shoestring as it is OB and its pretty obvious you not being a supporter of football fail to understand that and the financial consequences if the 15.00 kick off rule was taken away.
It's unlike you Den to side with big business over those who can't afford to spend so much.

denphone 18-10-2018 10:20
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35966934)
It's unlike you Den to side with big business over those who can't afford to spend so much.
l support English football in the lower leagues because that is the bread and butter of English football and has such should be fully supported by those who supposedly espouse that they care about English football and its roots.

OLD BOY 18-10-2018 10:28
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35966937)
l support English football in the lower leagues because that is the bread and butter of English football and has such should be fully supported by those who supposedly espouse that they care about English football and its roots.
I detest these restrictive pracrices which are making prices artificially high and restricting viewer choice. We are the only country apart from Montenegro with such a ridiculous rule.

If it's really that much of a problem (which I don't think it is, as devoted fans will always go to the stadium to watch their team play anyway), they could always have regional blackouts, as they do in the US. However, I don't think there should be a blanket rule on this as there is now.

This is a decision of big business, who are successfully pulling the wool over the eyes of the public to help them make as much money as possible.

telegramsam 18-10-2018 11:17
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Having a live football match on television at 3 o clock doesn't, in my opinion,effect attendance's at football grounds. What does effect attendance's are the cost to get to the ground,the price to get in,the facilities and of course whether the home team are doing well or not. I used to go and watch my local team at every opportunity until the cost spiralled out of control. Add on to that the cost of getting there and maybe a pie and cup of tea at half time it becomes to expensive for me.

OLD BOY 18-10-2018 12:41
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35966946)
Having a live football match on television at 3 o clock doesn't, in my opinion,effect attendance's at football grounds. What does effect attendance's are the cost to get to the ground,the price to get in,the facilities and of course whether the home team are doing well or not. I used to go and watch my local team at every opportunity until the cost spiralled out of control. Add on to that the cost of getting there and maybe a pie and cup of tea at half time it becomes to expensive for me.
Now, that is the situation as I understand it!

alwaysabear 18-10-2018 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35966946)
Having a live football match on television at 3 o clock doesn't, in my opinion,effect attendance's at football grounds. What does effect attendance's are the cost to get to the ground,the price to get in,the facilities and of course whether the home team are doing well or not. I used to go and watch my local team at every opportunity until the cost spiralled out of control. Add on to that the cost of getting there and maybe a pie and cup of tea at half time it becomes to expensive for me.
I used to take my son to our local club in the early 00's until prices went through the roof. I would love to see games shown 3 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon.

Raider999 18-10-2018 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35966946)
Having a live football match on television at 3 o clock doesn't, in my opinion,effect attendance's at football grounds. What does effect attendance's are the cost to get to the ground,the price to get in,the facilities and of course whether the home team are doing well or not. I used to go and watch my local team at every opportunity until the cost spiralled out of control. Add on to that the cost of getting there and maybe a pie and cup of tea at half time it becomes to expensive for me.

Also being forced to sit rather than stand is a factor putting many off IMO.

However I agree with the ban on 3pm ko live broadcasts - plenty of football on to watch without risking attendance figures dwindling.

The interesting thing is you can show a live game in the evening and stream / red button other games as you wish.

telegramsam 18-10-2018 16:16
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35967005)
Also being forced to sit rather than stand is a factor putting many off IMO.

However I agree with the ban on 3pm ko live broadcasts - plenty of football on to watch without risking attendance figures dwindling.

The interesting thing is you can show a live game in the evening and stream / red button other games as you wish.
You make a good point about the evening televised games. I can image some people on a cold winters evening saying something like think I'll give the match a miss this evening as it's to cold and wet,plus the Liverpool v Man U match is on the TV tonight. Strange that for some reason nobody seems to complain about that,isn't it?

denphone 18-10-2018 21:00
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Sky warns Disney and Discovery of no-deal Brexit blackout.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rexit-blackout

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Sky has delivered an ultimatum to broadcasters including Disney and Discovery to sort out their post-Brexit licensing plans by the end of 2018 or face being taken off its pay-TV service.
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However, if the government fails to strike a deal to keep EU-wide broadcast rights post-Brexit, companies will have to look to relocate significant parts of their businesses and TV licensing arrangements to other EU countries to continue to transmit across the rest of Europe.

Meng 19-10-2018 18:05
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Can anyone tell me how much money I would save per month if I were to junk Sky Sports while keeping BT Sport.

Thanks.

RobboEdin 19-10-2018 18:14
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Originally Posted by Meng (Post 35967107)
Can anyone tell me how much money I would save per month if I were to junk Sky Sports while keeping BT Sport.

Thanks.
Whatever your bill says you are paying for Sky Sports, unless you are on the VIP bundle (or Full House Sports bundle?).

Meng 19-10-2018 19:16
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35967109)
Whatever your bill says you are paying for Sky Sports, unless you are on the VIP bundle (or Full House Sports bundle?).
Well, yes, but I currently get BT Sport free as part of my Full House package. I don't know how much BT Sport on its own would cost.

Sky Sports is costing me £33.75 as a Premium add-on. Am I able to get BT Sport on its own, and if so, how much would it be?

OLD BOY 19-10-2018 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng (Post 35967113)
Well, yes, but I currently get BT Sport free as part of my Full House package. I don't know how much BT Sport on its own would cost.

Sky Sports is costing me £33.75 as a Premium add-on. Am I able to get BT Sport on its own, and if so, how much would it be?
As you said, BT Sport comes with the Full House. Sky Cinema and Sky Sports are extra.

Meng 19-10-2018 20:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35967115)
As you said, BT Sport comes with the Full House. Sky Cinema and Sky Sports are extra.
Which suggests I can keep BT Sport even if I get rid of Sky Sports.

Perfect. Thanks.


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