Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Guys don't rise to it. This is obviously a new tactic by the PhormPRTeam!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Most of us understand the technology only too well.....the only people who know what phorm does is phorm themselves - includes you does it ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

7 page whopper going out this morning to Ms Reding.

My mother doesn't get letters that long.

And my wife wants to know why I'm writing letters to a woman in Europe at midnight. :kiss:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Rubbish - All Phorm is doing is attempting to make money out of people's surfing habits. This is all they care about.

Also - This campaign is not a joke at all - do you honestly see everyone here laughing and joking about it?

You are entitled to your views but with such a questionable username would could ask that you have only come here to stir and cause trouble, which BTW, I will not stand for on this forum.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I understand perfectly how DNS works.. I could probably even write an essay on it. Not going to though.

What I don't understand is how someone storing details of people's surfing habits is somehow enhancing their privacy.

Yes, I know about the anonymising process, but this isn't as anonymous as people have claimed. At some point the system *does* link your "random" (note: Depending on the process used for generation, these may not be as random as you think) id with your IP. If it did not, it would not be able to serve you ads.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Upon investigation this morning it would seem one person from the same organisation, not saying its Phorm or associated agencies, have come here to just spoil the poll. These votes have been tracked and have now been erased.

With the following now happening - I have now decided it best to close the poll, so thank you for your votes but the poll is now closed.

From day one of the poll - It said 95% voted Yes. It's been consistent throughout. The outcome of this and number of votes is nothing near what I expected. But the overall result is clear:-

Virgin Media Broadband Customers don't want Phorm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nothing new there Mick, Phorm appear to have teams of people monitor /. and Digg too to bury any stories which get posted there. I think that probably explains why their PR teams have been so quiet, they must have been too busy trying to block the news getting out on major tech sites.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Only 7 pages - call that a letter? should have seen mine to ICO - now THAT WAS a letter. (Crocodile Dundee in New York)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OC many people also have old Fax/modems sitting around at the back of their desks forgotten, perhaps its also time to dig up that old FAX software and also use that option if your willing/wanting to put your thoughts down on real paper.

you can also walk into your local library and use their Fax machines for a few pennys if you prefer to do that, or simply dont have regular access to the web at home but still want to do your part.

By post : Viviane Reding
Member of the European Commission
BE-1049 Brussels
Belgium

Via e-mail : viviane.reding@ec.europa.eu

By fax : +32 2 299.92.01

BTW, does anyone know or been in contact with this Baroness Vadera
in the ElReg story.

if the Govt are willing to publicly back the toothless Ofcom when it comes to these big plans, why doesnt it also publicly step up for the UK interception for profit ,one way or the other!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/11/eu_regulator/
"Government backs Ofcom against EU regulator plan

The UK government is banding together with France and Germany to reiterate its opposition to the idea of an EU-wide regulator, so beloved of communications commissioner Viviane Reding.
The details come in a written statement from Baroness Vadera, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business and Competitiveness, who makes it abundantly clear where the British government stands:

...the Government have never been convinced of the case for a new pan-EU regulator ... You will be reassured to know that none of my opposite numbers in other member states, or indeed the views from the European Parliament, support the Commission’s original proposals.
....

---------- Post added at 11:32 ---------- Previous post was at 11:08 ----------

there you go , and they thought they had been forgotten by the Anti-interception for profit end users :angel:

---------- Post added at 11:35 ---------- Previous post was at 11:32 ----------

have we had any TalkTalk customers looking at their Cookies and routing etc , they did say they were going to totally seperate the opted-in users from the opted-out, so as not to touch the DPI kit and not get collected, but has anyone looked to be sure?

also any current quotes or new information from the TalkTalk executive or personel about how they intent to get around the inlawful copying/Derivative work , or perhaps pay the owners for the use of their datastreams....

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Does anyone know if the PIA has been completed yet?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

1,025.00 Jeezus!

And still no concrete trial date from BT...

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I spoke to Simon Davies on the phone this morning and he is hoping to have it finished by Friday, he is going to call me on Saturday and let me know any further details.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nice try little troll, but you'll have to do better than that :dunce:

You see, if you actually worked in the industry you'd know why I said that (as opposed to just looking it up on an acronym site). (Liked the MAC Code comment btw jelv :) )

Now go out and get a real job you phorm-tard.
.BBW (ex-deputy hostmaster of a major ISP, ex-international backbone engineer, ex-network designer). My Current hat: Network Security Consultant. Your Current Hat:Ass

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/...t-spreads.html
"...
Anti-phorm protesters will be at BT's AGM next month, and will also be demanding police intervention over Phorm's technology trials with BT (although I imagine it highly unlikely that will result in action simply because of the complexity of the legal issues and an under-resourced police force).

This battle is proving to be another demonstration of just how hard a small but motivated group of campaigners can hit major corporates when they feel their privacy has been breached. BT's handling of protesters is going to be a tipping point for the battle, so keep an eye on the news on July 16th."

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The campaign is such a joke that Phorm's shares are at rock bottom and the company's share capital is down almost $700 million USD in the last 4 months. He might find that funny, but I am sure Kent doesn't, and I would be willing to bet his investors don't either; furthermore, I was given some information which suggests his staff are not laughing either and that the only reason many of them are still at Phorm is because they are praying their share options will be worth something.

So no, I don't think many people are laughing at our "joke" campaign, at least not on Phorm's side of the fence.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

on a side note, I just got an email from "BT email support".

after a few initial checks I thought the email might have been genuine, but it appears it may not be!

the www.btyahoo.com/verify url in the email is a link and actually points to... email.planning-inc.co.uk

just thought I would warn any BT customers!

copy/paste below...



If this email does not display properly, please click here

Urgent - BT is making some changes to its email service. Emails you send from alternate BT Yahoo! Mail addresses may be blocked
Dear Customer,
We're upgrading the security of your BT Yahoo! Mail account to help prevent identity fraud and spam.
These enhancements will help protect you from 'spoofing' - when people use alternate addresses to disguise an email's real sender, possibly to commit fraud.
Making the improvements work
For the security improvements to work, we need you to take a few minutes now to verify each of the alternate email addresses you use in BT Yahoo! Mail. This will confirm that these email addresses are genuine. If you don't verify your alternate BT Yahoo! Mail addresses, you may get an Error 553 message and have difficulty sending emails.
Please verify addresses now to avoid blocking of your outgoing emails.
Simply follow the step-by-step instructions at www.btyahoo.com/verify. You won't be asked for any personal information, but you'll need to log in to your account to make the changes.
We're committed to helping you get the most from your award-winning BT Yahoo! Mail. The changes we've made will help reduce spam on the network and improve your enjoyment of the service. We hope this doesn't cause any inconvenience and appreciate your co-operation.
Kind regards,
BT Total Broadband team
Please note that this is an automatically generated email for your information only. Unfortunately we cannot respond to 'replies' to this address.
To ensure future emails from BT are delivered to your inbox and not treated as spam, please add emailsupport@btcomms.com to your address book.
This email was sent to your email address because you subscribe to BT service.

Subscribe to BT emails | Log in to BT | Contact us | Privacy policy

British Telecommunications plc. Registered office: 81 Newgate Street London EC1A 7AJ
Registered in England No. 1800000.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

47 now, what happened today to make them finally vote here!

so :welcome: to you and i look forword to your POV :angel:

sorry for not welcomeing the 42-46 personally ,But your voting far to quickly to keep up , are you all from the same block of IPs by any chance (Mods can check if they like) :cool:

its a shame we cant seem to match these Pro-Interception for profit Advocate voters here, ;) perhaps the other Anonymous readers would like to also make the time to register and add their vote to the total before it closes.....

[edit]
Doh! just read Micks #8606 to late as its closed.... shame .


still a 1000 votes is perfect for an industry standard extrapolation...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think the current consensus on the support newsgroup is that these emails are genuine but very very stupidly designed and extremely crass (up to BT's usual standard). The link seems to be yet another of BT's outsourced links. They really do make things difficult for themselves.

No official word from BT on this though, but that is normal. Silence seems to be their normal modus operandi at the moment although in a really big crisis you might get a couple of lines from Adam Liversage their press officer.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"Urgent - BT is making some changes to its email service. Emails you send from alternate BT Yahoo! Mail addresses may be blocked
Dear Customer,
"

it does seem to be valid on the face of it, but using Urgent in any official email Notice as your very first word, does seem like an odd thing to send for such a professional company :OMG: as BT

i wonder if its something to do with more faults/company practices found with leaking Personal information contravening the DPA !, this time in the Email parts of their company wide end user system, rather than the cookies system etc.

http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/we...on-web-server/
"https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/27.gif


Remote Address email.planning-inc.co.uk

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/28.gif Found 3 domains hosted on the same web server as email.planning-inc.co.uk (213.219.11.66).
businessopenzone.bt.com
email.planning-inc.co.uk
www.btcomms.com


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/29.gif
A reverse IP domain check takes a domain name or IP address pointing to a web server and searches for other sites known to be hosted on that same web server. Data is gathered from search engine results, which are not guaranteed to be complete. Knowing the other web sites hosted on a web server is important from both an SEO and web filtering perspective, particularly for those on shared web hosting plans. More about this tool.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I did wonder if it was outsourced which is why i edited my most to say it "may" not be genuine. :D but as you say, "very very stupidly designed" describes it well if it is indeed genuine. I wasn't going to click on the link to check personally. ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alex I think that all the Phorm's shares will be werth is Toilet Paper at the end of the day. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Link to poll I did on another forum percentages about the same.http://www.filesaveas.co.uk/cgi-bin/...num=1204572420
My current vision of BT is a bunch of back slappers huddled together in a leaky inflateable with only sticking plaster and chewing gum to stop the ever increasing perforations, can't wait for sieve day .

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The last post on the phorm share says that phorm may be used on the fibre to the home trials at ebbsfleet...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/2...et-valley.html

Anyone able to cros post on thinkbroadband as I can't join there due to Marks request to not as it could conflict of interests with my moderators post..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

@tdadyslexia.

not maening to be nasty but some of your word subsitutions and spellings make me grin sometimes.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Heh

It's so nice to know that I pwn'd the lamer that voted 'no' xTimes. 1,000 is a good point to close the data set. Now we know that nearly 96% of the British population object to being manipulated by the parasite Phormscum, leaving about 4% losers. This 4% can be broken down into Phorm sycophants, nieve plonkers without a clue, mentals and tiny element of malicious Phorm hacker employee slurpers (Hi Hackeron & Scleparis).

Note to my pwn'd peon: Shares dropped again today and this thread is approaching half a million hits,. see if you can resist not posting here again and making yourself look like more of a tw~t (impossible) :D And remember everytime you come here to "get revenge" 'ROFL' you're adding to the hit counter and I 0wn you a lil more, it must be soul destroying ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well that is watt hapens wen you are Dyslexic, you get the spelling wrong.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

According to this even the EU Commissioner doesn't really want to get involved. :erm:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1...9432962,00.htm

I think the EU Commissioner needs an avalanche of correctly worded letters pointing out that the trials were illegal.

It's plain and simple in black and white. Communications were intercepted WITHOUT consent. Customer data was processed WITHOUT consent.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

985 !

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

EDIT : Gone back up now.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Some serious crap going on with Philth's shares: at 15:46 they fell to 985. :D

Unfortunately, they've bounced back a bit. :(

OB

Edit: you beat me to it, Mark. I must have been staring at that 985 number for a good 10 minutes; sad, or what? ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

52Wk High: 3,725.00
52Wk Low: 985.00

There's still 12 mins of trading time left.......

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Wonder if Kent is hawking his soul to shore it up....

On another note Life could be better if the kents of this world were ignored by those who hold responsibilities to others privacy

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ding... Ding... Ding...

closing bell.

And the closing price is.......

1025.00

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"Technically, over whether the technology breaches the law, the jury's still out," said Jay. "Because [Phorm] uses technology just to look at activity and deliver results based on that activity, it's difficult to say if that's an interception. We need another vocabulary, as the law doesn't address the complexities of the technology."

How can they keep missing the point?!?! Although note that it is Pinsent Masons again (legal advisors to BT, although they deny giving any advice to BT about phorm). The same people that said while phorm may be technically illegal, it complies with the "spirit of the law".

So... user1 sends an http request to www.website.com... resulting in a number of "packets" addressed the server the website is on. Instead of delivering the packets to their destination like they should, they instead "INTERCEPTED" the packets and read the contents!!!

It's not "just looking at activity", it is intercepting and collecting data that was addressed and intended for another recipient!! Even if you erase the data you have intercepted it doesn't change the fact that you INTERCEPTED and anaylsed data that was adressed to someone else!!!

Words cannot describe my anger at the ignorance of these people! :mad: I am starting to think that they are deliberately acting dumb!! :mad::mad:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

More like selling his body to some Russian sailors...

Closed @ 1,025.000

Surely this campaign is a joke and couldn't possibly have caused Phorm's shares to nose dive...

Could it?

:Yes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry about this... this is a bit of a big post.

I haven't seen much mention of OFCOM on the various forums concerned with Phorm.

Under the Communications Act 2003 OFCOM have the following duties;

3(1) It shall be the principal duty of OFCOM, in carrying out their functions—
(a) to further the interests of citizens in relation to communications matters; and
(b) to further the interests of consumers in relevant markets, where appropriate by promoting competition.

In particular I noted they must have regard to

3 (4) (h) the vulnerability of children and of others whose circumstances appear to OFCOM to put them in need of special protection;

OFCOM are also given the following duty;

4 Duties for the purpose of fulfilling Community obligations
(2) It shall be the duty of OFCOM, in carrying out any of those functions, to act in accordance with the six Community requirements (which give effect, amongst other things, to the requirements of Article 8 of the Framework Directive and are to be read accordingly).

So I understand this to mean OFCOM are also responsible for implementing article 8 of
"Directive 2002/21/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council"

Under Article 8 of that Directive

3. The national regulatory authorities shall contribute to the development of the internal market by inter alia:
(a) removing remaining obstacles to the provision of electronic communications networks, associated facilities and services and electronic communications services at European level;
(b) encouraging the establishment and development of trans-European networks and the interoperability of pan-European services, and end-to-end connectivity;
(c) ensuring that, in similar circumstances, there is no discrimination in the treatment of undertakings providing electronic communications networks and services;
(d) cooperating with each other and with the Commission in a transparent manner to ensure the development of consistent regulatory practice and the consistent application of this Directive and the Specific Directives.

4. The national regulatory authorities shall promote the interests of the citizens of the European Union by inter alia:
(a) ensuring all citizens have access to a universal service specified in Directive 2002/22/EC (Universal Service Directive);
(b) ensuring a high level of protection for consumers in their dealings with suppliers, in particular by ensuring the availability of simple and inexpensive dispute resolution procedures carried out by a body that is independent of the parties involved;
(c) contributing to ensuring a high level of protection of personal data and privacy;
(d) promoting the provision of clear information, in particular requiring transparency of tariffs and conditions for using publicly available electronic communications services;
(e) addressing the needs of specific social groups, in particular disabled users; and
(f) ensuring that the integrity and security of public communications networks are maintained.

So back to the Commications Act 2003, some other provisions;

Did BT notify OFCOM that they were going to operate the PageSense/ProxySense trials? Did they notify OFCOM that they planned to launch Webwise?

33 Advance notification to OFCOM
(1) A person shall not—
(a) provide a designated electronic communications network,
(b) provide a designated electronic communications service, or
(c) make available a designated associated facility,
unless, before beginning to provide it or to make it available, he has given a notification to OFCOM of his intention to provide that network or service, or to make that facility available.

Also, if we assume they did breach s.33 above, then

35 Notification of contraventions of s. 33

(1) Where OFCOM determine that there are reasonable grounds for believing that a person has contravened section 33, they may give him a notification under this section

... which ultimately leads to a £10,000 fine.

S.128 might also apply, given BT have abused the network twice without customer consent;

128 Notification of misuse of networks and services

(1) Where OFCOM determine that there are reasonable grounds for believing that a person has persistently misused an electronic communications network or electronic communications services, they may give that person a notification under this section.

So Alex or anyone else cleverer than me (thats most of you btw) any thoughts?

Has anyone considered complaining to OFCOM yet? Am I the last person who hasn't complained to OFCOM?

Am I months behind everyone else, or have we missed a trick?

Pete.

PS Don't forget to write to Viviane Reding the European Commissioner
PPS. Richard Thomas must go. To Belgium. Preferably once he's left his job.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I fear that OFCON are like the rest of the regulatory bodies in this country and will most likely state...
"we cant see anything wrong with the webwise system, so we'll just stand well back and watch from a safe distance.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Only thing that is certain is that if you don't write the complaint letters you get shafted anyway.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Shame it isn't Toilet Paper yet. :cleader: Come on Kent open that big fat mouth, and whoch your shares drop. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Until you try you can't be sure if nothing else loads of people who are fairly new to internet find there way to OFCOM for help so this would be a good place to hit with large number of complaints about webwise and BT,CPW and VM.

The last resort is those who dislike the idea of Phorm on their connections change ISP if people start to migrate away BT will start to think twice I know a lot moved from VM and they are further away from implementing phorm than BT were.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

its perfectly clear , they are intentionally misleading the points and trying to cover it in flowery language and legalese

the mention of RIPA stanford case by me a while back, and their misdirection makes that perfectly clear in their response on the outlaw site elsewere.

its a simple 'rock and a hard place' just like the 80/20 scenario, outlaw/Pinsent Masons solicitors is used in many online news items, and they are also on the books of the ISP/Phorm paymasters, not a clever place to be right now.

while the znet reporter(s) are clearly quite Pro-Phorm, if you read the quotes its seems clear they have struggled to whitewash this.

dont be misguided or fall for the slight of hand in that news copy.

Martin Selmayr is a member of Viviane Reding's team and you can also contact him on that same fax machine

Martin Selmayr
Spokesman

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barro...act/office.gif BERL 2/330
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barro...ontact/tel.gif (+32-2) 298.12.30
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barro...tact/email.gif martin.selmayr@ec.europa.eu

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barro...m/index_en.htm
theres clearly large team there that are far more qualifyed to answer and look into all this once they have the facts from our side of the fence, rather than the ISP/Phorm, ICO arse covering PR text.

this seems clear enough
""We are looking into [the BT and Phorm trials], but a national sovereign state's decision can only be challenged if it commits a serious mistake," said Selmayr. "We're looking into it, but so far there has been no indication of that.""


"
However, on Wednesday the Commission said it could only take action if the Information Commissioner's Office itself could be shown to have taken a decision which contravened regulations, in deciding not to take action against BT and Phorm."

the question remains where are these regulations and what Exactly do they say?

surely it cant be that hard to see them and see if and were the ICO might have missteped.

i suspect its an ICO junior member making errors, or perhaps someone higher up implyed he shold be trying it on, to be corrected later by the big ICO lads and lasses if they cant pull it off.

BTW Tobys personal stance seems clear, shame he doesnt come here and air his personal views (mark them personal and alls well toby, go on you know you want to , you are allowed a personal POV ;) )
http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/...t-spreads.html
"
Glad to see this one has brought the comments in, thank you for your input everyone.

Just to clear one point up: my role here is as an occasional commentator on privacy issues. I have my own personal opinions about the Phorm product set, but I keep those to myself. CW is a respected publication and I'm not going to publish (or be permitted to publish) my own speculation or theories on this site.

I also believe very strongly that if an organisation is taking a beating over its privacy practices, you have to stop kicking it when its down and give it a chance to sort the problems out - hence keeping quiet on Phorm. If Phorm go live without addressing campaigners' concerns then you can rest assured I'll have something to say about that :-)

Commenters are, of course, welcome to share their opinions!"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

someone clear up how they plan to plant the adverts in a intercepted web page please.
are they going to be striping out ads that was paid for and putting their own in that space they have not paid for, or a full sceeen in da face popup before web page is shown.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Kents style was always in your face :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I won't have time to do this owing to holidays but I read elsewhere about an Ebbsfleet optical cable trial coming up that would involve Phorm - and that is due for consideration by Ofcom. So maybe a good time to litter their desk with letters
a) focussing on BT's alleged crimes in 2006 and 2007
b) secondly explaining how phorm works, in terms of RIPA and DPA, etc. and seeking to make Ofcom think carefully before approving it as part of the new cable network in Ebbsfleet. Sorry - don't know anything about this - just flying a kite - giving other people work to do. I'll write to Ofcom when I get back.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've done a bit of recycling with the Reding letter for OFCOM.

In my case, I included the history of the Phorm issue, Phorm's history, a tech analysis of Webwise, the economic/cultural impact of ignoring copyright owners wishes, the secret trials, and (effectively) cut/paste my views on the application of the Communication Act.

My tuppence worth for anyone thinking about a letter to OFCOM.

My printer tells me its low on ink.

Pete

---------- Post added at 18:10 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

Hooray. Spare ink cartridge installed. Right, next letter...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

in an ink cartridge emergency you can always use that old Fax/modem to send to Ofcom remember

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/contactus/

...
If you want to complain to Ofcom please call us on (dont bother with that as you dont have any real evidence if they tell you a whopper etc later)
...
Fax: 020 7981 3333

BTW , if your wondering about "inter alia"
Latin. 'among other things'

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

(deleted Baroness Jay)

Oops wrong Jay.

:blush:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good to see some intense discussion of Phorm going on here, and thanks for the references above. I'm not going to express my personal opinions in writing because I'm not sure whether my professional indemnity insurance goes high enough to protect me...

However, on a positive note, I do believe that there is room for Phorm et al on the Internet. If an ISP launched a free ADSL service, and in return users had to submit to Phorm-like profiling, you can bet it would be a success. What's not at all reasonable is to launch it as an opt-out on existing users.

Most upsetting is the way in which all this has been done in secrecy because 'we'd be too stupid to understand'. OK, so 58% of the population allegedly believe that Sherlock Holmes was real, and nearly a quarter think that Winston Churchill was fictional, but the rest of us are perfectly capable of figuring out what's going on thank you very much.

Grumble.

:mad:

Can't promise to check in every day, but I'll watch this space.

Toby

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Genius. Neeeee GRRRRRRR Neeee GRRRRRR... Hope they've got plenty of paper and toner at the other end :)

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If Kent did shore it up. wouldn't that mean the more he put in, the more he could lose in the end?

Now that would be a really really sad day ;). I would have to go back to my normal humdrum pre Phorm days and concentrate, among other things, on irradiating their spyware on PC's rather than within well knowns ISP server groups.

This is so much more fun. If it wasn't so serious an issue I could even begin to enjoy it!

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It could be seen that the ICO’s statement that “we’ve worked with BT and Phorm and we are not going to take any punitive action at this stage� is a way of trying to ward off BT and any other company from similar behaviour in future, without the ICO needing to make the effort of taking action now. However, as time passes, companies who provide communication services in the UK are likely to see this inaction increasingly as a green light that lets them start dipping into their customers’ communications.

I believe that we’ve seen the BT Webwise trials delayed due to an interplay of legal and technical issues. BT have been sufficiently concerned over correctly obtaining informed consent prior to any interception that they said they would develop an opt-out mechanism that is not based on cookies, for use after the latest trial. If they feel this would be necessary for a mass role out, they must have concerns that it needs to be in place before any further trials. It has been suggested that this alternative mechanism represents a huge technical hurdle. But, BT may not have felt legally confident to press ahead without it.

A second technical issue, first highlighted by EtherDreams, is that Phorm’s cookie mechanism is based on either a failure to understand, or a complete disregard for, the current cookie specification – RFC 2965. The only reason the mechanism works at all is that currently the major web browsers adhere poorly to this specification. Where a browser does provide a valid implementation, not only does this stop Webwise from working, but Webwise introduces a flaw into web browsing.

My worry is that BT will take the lack of an ICO investigation to mean that they no longer need to worry so much about the issues of opt-out and consent. This would remove the need for all of the complexity that I believe has been holding up the show. Some ISPs in the USA successfully implemented NebuAd’s passive-tap system long ago. With a completely passive system, there can never be any possibility of interfering with your customers’ web browsing. Similarly, if a UK mobile network were to decide they’d like to profile their customers, could they introduce automatic processing of their customers’ text messages, without the need to give an opt-out, change their service terms or even tell their customers that this level of monitoring were taking place?

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Totally disagree.

As far as I am concerned Phorm can steal copyright from websites it apparently illegally profiles to benefit competing websites. This is apparently illegal so I could not condone it in any 'phorm' or manner.

Its a none starter as far as I am concerned

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A very warm welcome.
Not at all sure about that.

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;) :welcome: BTW pseudonymous! was available :angel:

your best bet seeing as you have now posted to this thread, is to set a filter on your email to move all the replys you will now get (unless you use the userCP page <top left> to turn them off) from here into a new folder or threading in your Email app if it can do that.

sure , we are perfectly willing to take Pro-Phorm POV, and indeed you make a good point,they can exist, however , (C) popper,the only real lawful way to use DPI/wiretap interception for profit profiling is in the "walled garden" business case,if people want to, they sign up and get stuffed into that walled off garden to then be profiled as the signed up companys/websites also stuffed inside there are (we assume) having their content payed for while in there.

and that is assuming they dont in any way shape or form, profile anything that was cached in the users temp folder while outside the wall.

that they auto turn off all collecting and processing of websites not signed up and placed inside the "walled garden" so the opted-in users can pop outside the wall if they chose and still keep the greater web safe from unlawful derivative works or other finantial harm.

Phorm want to reverse the world standard for cookes and their use, so this model can perhaps work well to protect people from their kind.

plenty of other points ,but you get the picture i assume.

remember the website owners have copyright content rights just as the payed up end users have copyright over their datastreams in law, thats clear as day.....

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The Ebbsfleet issue seems to be popping up. The first reference I saw to it was on iii by Johnney Arrowmaker at 14:39 today.

"My mate in the city overheard that Phorm may be bundled in with the Ebbsfleet optical cable trials approval being considered by OFCOM?"

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...lay=discussion

Could someone who posts there ask him to amplify before it starts getting quoted in letters to regulators?

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:welcome: Sorry Toby, missed it was your first post. Welcome to the discussion.

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ot but related, is chris now gunning for Ofcom ;)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...okcall_genius/
"
Ofcom swoops on caller ID-faking firm with... request for information

Your regulator: On top of the issues that matter

By Chris Williams
Published Wednesday 11th June 2008 12:44 GMT
Ofcom said today it has responded to the launch of a new service enabling scammers to spoof their caller ID by, erm, writing a letter to the firm responsible.

Yesterday we reported on how members of parliament have asked regulators to examine Spookcall, a new company that has brought the US practice of caller ID-spoofing to the UK. It's commonly used Stateside for identity theft, prank calling, fraud, voicemail hacking and by private investigators.
http://ad.uk.doubleclick.net/ad/reg....AABYXjaAAAAJx?
Reaction to the emergence of caller ID spoofing in the UK by the El Reg commentariat was negative, to say the least...."

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Done. But won't be around to follow up. See replies to BTCustomer post about Ebbsfleet if there are any

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There is no room for Phorm on the net.

Here's why;

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/video/copyright.wmv

If you can watch that video and honestly claim Phorm has an ounce of legitimacy I'll be gobsmacked. Particularly because you're in the publishing/journalism industry n'est pas?

That's before you even consider the effect of Phorm on ecommerce, and other applications that require the privacy assured by RIPA, Computer Misuse, Fraud legislation etc

Cmon, keep up.

Pete.

PS Welcome, glad you've joined us.:)

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Bear in mind too - the thing that makes the internet the valuable resource it is, is the content.

If you value that content, you need to demonstrate respect for the rights of copyright holders.

If you rip off copyright content wholesale, you effectively steal "the entire internet" to paraphrase Phorm. And s.107/s.110 of the copyright act makes that a crime (not just a civil offence).

Well, on the plus side. If this garbage ever launches, I plan to retire to the Bahamas on the proceeds from copyright claims against ISPs. And I'm taking the people here with me ;).They can have an island each.

Pete.

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Pete - don't spoil it. I found a good site here :-

http://www.computerweekly.com/

I was planning on copying it to markysplace,com

and charging people to read it!

That's OK isn't it? After all, I can read it so it must be in the public domain. I expect they allow Google in as well. I can do what I want with it.

Can't I?

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Sounds like someone is getting confused with their BT "Trials" and their Kents:

BT haven't carried out their weblies "trial" yet so how can they consider bundling it with their fiber-to-the-premises deployment at Ebbsfleet which is in Kent - not to be confused with the right k*nt who owns Phorm.



:D

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Yes. That's fine Mark. But I wonder if I could interest you in the following.

You pay me a few hundred quid to put an ad for markysplace.com on my web site, and I'll give you a copy of every page on Computer Weekly. Don't worry about the "© Reed Business Information Ltd", I'll strip that crap out for you.

BTW its getting so expensive to invest in infrastructure these days isn't it?

I'll probably use that money to invest in a new 10 GBit fibre optic ethernet network for my house.

Pete

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you guys are funny when you are getting bored with nothing to do.....

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Sounds good, but we had better delete the last few posts about this and discuss on PM. That way nodody will know about it.

EDIT : But I bet you don't spend the money on your network!

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Too late, I have leaked the whole thing to the Register. Did you not realise that the PM pages are now hosted on DodgyDaddyHosts, over in Houston, and all your PM's are forwarded to me at ww3.phishing.com for analysis and profiling.

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Wrong he [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] will know. :D

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Ahh, but ...

not the ICO, Home Office, Parliament or anybody important.

(But if you could please keep the noise down so the trials can go ahead and the share price could recover I would be grateful. :) )

EDIT : Misread OP, so removed plod!

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You wont get away with it. I am going to ask Mick to start another thread on the cable forum and we shall call it the mark777dephormation trials. After a couple of months of bad press and postings you can both forget about the 10 GBit fibre optic ethernet network and all the high value shares. Surely this can't be legal.

Alex???

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Google alerts has just popped this one up

Government warned on surveillance society dangers

From the report
Why does everyone who may matter miss the blatant interception and concentrate on the DPA issues? I'm now very angry at the world (present company excepted)

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Just noticed they (Phorm) say the ISP doesn't have access to the User ID?

So who sets the cookie then? I thought that would come from the servers in the ISP network to which no-one else has access. Fishy

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As I said back in post #8637 I fear that OFCON are like the rest of the regulatory bodies in this country and will most likely state...
"we cant see anything wrong with the SpookCall system, so we'll just stand well back and watch from a safe distance.

OFCON: Whats all this about Mr SpookCall?
SpookCall: Our services are entirely legal in the UK. Just ask those nice chaps over at the ICO, they'd believe us!
OFCON: Oh, right. If it's Ok with the ICO it's OK with us. Carry on, we'll just watch for a while.

Is every day April 1st at the ICO and OFCON offices???

Communications watchdogs have today been pressed by MPs to investigate a new service that allows people to fool caller ID systems into displaying a fake number, amid fears it will be abused by ID fraudsters and other conmen.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...aller_id_fake/
Pitty they don't have the same balls when it comes to Phorm's webwise which fools web browsers by giving a fake cookie to profile your browsing habits. Could this not be abused by ID fraudsters and other conmen?

The whole damn thing is fishy. It positively reeks of rotting fish!
Can't you see the seagulls circling overhead?

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i was reading a news story here, and for some reason it reminds me of another story i read somewere that says it too can potentially do this, and much more, but in hardware ;)

http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,...331828b,00.htm
Thursday 29 May 2008, 5:25 PM
Online backup insecure, says Heise

Posted by Tom Espiner
"....
An undisclosed Heise employee hacked into some online backup services by intercepting the connection between client and the backup server, bypassing the encryption used. A basic man-in-the-middle attack.

"Attackers can read and even change the data being backed up or restored when it's transmitted over the internet," said the Heise article.

Heise pretended to be the backup server to the client, and the client to the backup server, using fake certificates. For the vulnerable systems, neither client nor server checked the certificates for authenticity, said a source at Heise.
....
"

http://www.heise-online.co.uk/securi...--/news/110771
"....
While all of the tested systems encrypt communication with the backup server using SSL, external attackers can sniff the access code as plain text by acting as a man-in-the-middle (MITM) if the locally installed backup software does not perform sufficiently rigorous checks on the authenticity of the server's certificates.

In the vulnerable systems, we were able to hijack the connection from the client software to the backup servers.

....
Although this MITM attack scenario may not be relevant for every customer, the scope of these security problems can hardly be overstated.

While companies say they store customer data safely, some of the elementary security measures they take are implemented so carelessly and unprofessionally that they can easily be overcome.

Backups are matters of trust, and that does not change when they are made on-line.

Those who are sloppy with security here risk losing the long-term trust of their customers.

The providers we contacted know this, and all of them have promised to close the holes we discovered.
...
"

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Nop it's the Vulchers circling overhead.

[Edit] Click on the Attached Thumbnail for a laugh. ;)

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...nance.telecoms
Newly asked questions

When will BT start its next ad-serving trial with Phorm?

Charles Arthur
The Guardian,
Thursday June 12 2008

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http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/search/phorm/
Dear Sir or Madam, With regard to the covert trials carried out by BT and 121 Media/Phorm in 2006 and 2007: - What attempts were made by ICO to obtain evidence/documentation from BT - What evidence/documentation was requested by ICO, and d... Awaiting response.
Request sent to Information Commissioner’s Office by I Cooper on 11 June 2008.

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Can you blinking believe this? :rolleyes:

Concerning EU: Telecoms Council Agenda for 12 June 2008...

"On the second question, I intend to take the opportunity to emphasise the importance the UK attaches to independent regulators separated from market participants and the day-to-day pressure of politics."
Baroness Vadera (Parliamentary Under-Secretary, Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform; Labour)

The importance the UK attaches to dependent market regulators?

Is this woman taking the Micky? :doh:

I've got a letter open in front of me now, currently banging copies off left right and centre, which includes these quotes from a certain regulator (Richard Thomas, please resign btw);

“BT’s view is that as the 2007 trial was small scale and technical in nature and no adverts were served” .

“On this basis, and taking into account the difficulties involved in providing meaningful and clear information to customers… in this case, this is not an issue we intend to pursue further with BT” .

“We've worked with BT and Phorm and we are not going to take any punitive action at this stage" .


PS A thought, if you're in the process of writing to Vivane Reding (EC Commissioner) perhaps it would be worth emphasising how independent the Information Commissioner Richard Thomas ISN'T.

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from the page
Surely this will be the third trial in addition to the ones in 2006 & 2007!

I know this subject is complex, but this just smacks of lazy journalism.

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hmm, thats very interesting read pete, considering its dated Monday, 9 June 2008

it looks like we need to get a really good grasp of what Baroness Vadera's real motivations and goals are.....

she seems very good at saying one thing, and working for something totally different, a perfect Govt person infact.

you remember reading this "You will be reassured to know that none of my opposite numbers in other member states, or indeed the views from the European Parliament, support the Commission's original proposals. "

well the rest of the text from above, also makes it quite clear that infact she does NOT (as yet)have majority backing for this oposition.

"My officials have been working closely with officials from the incoming French presidency in developing their alternative to the Commission's agency proposals on which the French Minister and I will look to galvanise member state support."


this one needs careful parseing.... we are talking the wireless selloff etc, the one were we end users might one day get to use the 3rd Broadband pipe for fixed fee mobile data without the need for a seperate fee tied to a BT/VM phoneline etc.

"I will make it clear that enforced (regulatory) harmonisation runs the risk of spectrum being underused if services do not develop as expected.

For this reason I believe that market-led harmonisation, achieved through a technology and service neutral approach, is more appropriate as it can adapt to changing market conditions and avoid inefficient use of spectrum."

given her position, she must already know about the fact the old GSM/2.5G wireless bananza made them a bundle, AND the massive multinational mobile companys took these wireless freqs/spectrum and Did exactly NOTHING with them...,no "harmonisation",no leaseing to smaller 3rd partys, or companies looking to provide some kind of services to the end users,Nothing..., they just took the spectrum and lets them go totally/virtually unused so as to keep raking it in on what they already had in the UK market place.

enforced (regulatory) harmonisation , with at the very least a "use it,or loose it" was and is clearly needed there.....

and the same may happen again, but this time, theres no fallback as they have sold off the ALL the spectrum with nothing to fall back on later when it all goes pear shaped.

you might wonder what the wireless part of this has to do with target based advertising or DPI ,she clearly knows theres going to be problems later after they have their cash in the banks and the fittings installed, and hence the double talk and good soundbite text.

you already know about the Phorm like mobile story, the location-based tracking and targeting of your mobile in the hypermarket, and now we have the final part of the jigsaw being mentioned here

http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/06/11/7846/
"
Nokia Advertising Alliance

Nokia today announced the launch of the Nokia Advertising Alliance, which is intended to simplify mobile advertising for brand advertisers.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/66.jpg
The program brings together couponing, location-based targeting, image recognition, and other emerging technologies, to increase consumer engagement.

Brands can work with Nokia with the latest mobile technologies for campaigns.

Members of the Alliance are integrated with the Nokia Media Network allowing brands to plan, execute and measure mobile advertising campaigns through a single Nokia interface.

Companies that have been initially certified as Members of the Alliance, including i-movo, Mobile Acuity, Mobiqa, and uLocate, with many additional members in testing.
....
"

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Popper, any reason there is an advert for T-Mobile/Blackberry in your post #8657? Or is it just me seeing it?

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Is this Feasible?

A small Open Source utility that uses the Wincap Monitor driver, logging the sites that have been re-directed to Phorm nebuad etc.

The log then being sent to (as an encrypted blob) a Server, so that Website Owners can prove that their page(s) have been scanned by an ISP & (how many times) & therefore either prove Copyright infringement or get the due recompense for their intrusion!

Don't want to identify the user so a unique random number generation to identify the program used to upload the data!

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Google showing Phorm at 975p - it looks like the dry rot in the £10 floor just gave way. Someone just sold £8K at 975p.

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perhaps its the doubleclick link i forgot to remove, i just see a tiny x square onscreen #8657 , as i always block all ads, i pay for my BB and i dont want ad's or any other junk taking away my precious payed for bandwidth, sorry about that, times run out and i cant edit it out now....

(left click and highlight the post No on the blue right, rightclick and "copy" the text, and paste it in to the reply gets you that linked post above btw ;) )

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Ah, no worries, just wondered that's all.

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I'm working on something similar.

It captures leaked UIDs as primary evidence of copyright infringement. If the UID really is as anonymous as Phorm claim, and ICO accept their assurance, then there is no requirement to remove it from logs. (Which is not to say I agree with either Phorm or ICO, to my mind claiming a user identifier UID is not PII is absolutely and obviously utter bunk).

Pete.

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PS. Should add, concealing copyright infrigement (eg, stripping evidence of copying like UIDs) is an aggravating factor in considering damages IIRC

---------- Post added at 10:40 ---------- Previous post was at 10:29 ----------

Noted on London Stock Ex site, BT seem to be systematically buying voting shares at present, in advance of AGM. Around 2,500,000 a day if I'm reading right. (I know nothing about share trading btw, this might just be noise).

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sure, thats what wireshark uses on the windows port i think, then a simple "Rebol" script to parse the log for what you want, encrypt it as you please or just use the inbuilt binary encode,for fun Encrypt data in image and send it in whatever protocol you want to use,tcp,udp,muticast etc should be doable by any good scripting writer (not me :( )

theres plenty of client/server Rebol scripts around if you look, just load them into your OS of choice on any machine, or even have your local script get the latest update placed on some url somewere , good for collective working etc
http://www.rebol.net/

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What a lot are missing with this type of technology is the corrupt nature of many who can see the large $$$$ signs. Once this is placed into BT's network with the only ones controlling it being Phorm, a company that for years has made loss after loss that seems on paper unable to sustain a good business plan. If they noticed something that could net them more money the greed factor kicks in and only phorm will/wouild know the changes to the program and the alteration of the gathered infromation. Many companies could lose future investment plans, BT could lose out unless they decide to move all their invester pages over to https since they are trying to move shareholders over to internet instead of via post. Even government documents could become targets if the MP is using BT total broadband and working from home to make things worse this could in turn put the whole UK at risk not protect the BT customers.

As a police officer said to me you have to learn to think like the criminal to catch the best criminals, not that I am saying Kent is a criminal but to catch the best in placing rootkits etc you have to start to think like them.
Kents rootkits were the best in the spyware/malware/adware out now he is out to cream the best the top ISPs customers under the guise of targeted adverts.... Patent tells more than Kent ever would if only the government had eyes and a mind to read...

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I agree completely. I used to wake up thinking this was some kind of mad nightmare. Unregulated mass communication interception by a private company couldn't possibly be tolerated by a democratic Government.

That's why its so important to keep fighting until Phorm is ash.

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The register is also doing a security debate might be a useful place for questions on how secure you are with third companny handling you click stream..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/Page/security200803/

Also it is online so no expensive trip to London or where ever in the UK...

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Kent needs to look on the bright side. If phorm looses 10% of it's value today, at least that will now be less than £1.00 per share!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

950 @ 11:41am :D

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My heart bleeds for capitalist whoremongers everywhere pimp:

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Did anyone listen to the Chris Moyles show on Radio 1 this morning? They were interviewing the winner of the apprentice and he mentioned that his role with his new employer would be managing a greenfield development and also mentioned digital advertising as part of it (at least that is how I interpretted it).

I'm not saying that this is anything to do with phorm but it just struck me as a little strange that a project would combine "greenfield development" and "digital advertising". It brought to the forefront of my mind certain comments made earlier in this thread.

good to see the share price tumbling still but it needs to close below 1000 and ideally stay there for a few days before we can say that the magic £10 barrier has been properly broken :D

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What I have noticed since watching the share prices for BT and Porm is how many telecoms share prices are.

When you look further the ones going down seem to have either links to phorm or other similar system in mind.

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Hi, just heard this, part to do with loss of our personal freedom.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm

Dave.

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OT BUT RELEVANT

David Davis has resigned as an MP. Speculation around Westminster is that he plans to fight for his own seat in the resulting by-election on civil liberties. Specifically 42-day but perhaps also on other issues. Get writing! Data retention, data warehousing of communication data and allowing 3rd party data taps are all civil liberties.

This is currently only speculation but more news will break today.

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Ohh you beat me to it. In his speech Mr Davis told reporters outside the House of Commons he believed his move was a "noble endeavour" to stop the erosion of British civil liberties and mentioned protecting our privacy.

It might be worth getting him fully up to speed on Phorm and it's impact.

And just in case there's any of you who've not seen the film Taking Liberties, I can highly recommend it, it's a real eye opener.

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This is Orange is it not? .. or am I mistaken ..

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I like the quote below:

"And exposing our personal Data to careless Civil Servants, and Criminal Hackers."

It would be very interesting to see what his opinion in regards of Phorm is, and whether or not this is part of the reason he resigned.

If it is, this could confirm a hidden agenda by the Government, and would explain fully the inaction by bodies involved.

Do we have any Constituents of David Davis commenting on this thread? If so, would you consider asking the question of him?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Also from the beeb:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm

In his resignation statement, Mr Davis attacked the growth of the "database state" and government "snooping".

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just posted the details below on badphorm, has anyone else experienced this?

(re: Omniture - Targeted advertising firm)

Interestingly, the only time I visited this site was in May.

Also, I have in total 63 Cookies from this source, within the past week.

Anyone visiting the site - check your Cookie cache:

.2o7.net - I have 50
.112.2o7.net - I have 5
.122.2o7.net - I have 1
.omniture.com - I have 5.
.omniture.tcliveus.com - I have 2

badphorm: http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...topic.php?6594

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I agree it is time to stop Gordon Brown has moved too far.. After saying he would protect the british people from terrorisum at the start he did say without disrupting the public way of life. The total loss of freedom, ther interception of internet surfing, the invaision into their family privacy not to mention the massive database of DNA implying guilty until you can prove your innocent.... This must end out with the invaision, out with the intrusion into our private lives and out with anything that threatens to invade this.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

While all allies against Phorm and such like interceptions are welcome, I think we'd be wise to look any party political gift horses very carefully in the mouth.

It is amazing how reliably oppositions who have campaigned for privacy while out of government suddenly forget about it when they are handed their red boxes and nuclear codes. I suspect it is the result of the little chat that the resident spooks have with them on their first day in office.

Remember also - you can't write to David Davies as an MP any more, so you will need to find out his constituency address etc. The theyworkforyou.com group of websites etc. won't work either if he has resigned. And he will be having to pay for his own stamps for the next six weeks so maybe you won't get a reply either.

But as a source of hot air about privacy he may have his uses. While it suits him. Just handle with thick gloves and keep at arms length.

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I use an MVPS hosts file which has a long list from Omniture. BT are using them on some of their main bt.com sites - touchclarity being one of the entries.

I think they are just the ordinary sort of tracking cookie.