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Pierre 19-09-2018 10:32
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We will not get a half in, half out Brexit, though, will we? We will be pulling out of the EU, single market and customs union and although some might not like the common rulebook idea, that will only apply to a relatively small amount of our trade, and we are relatively happy with those rules.

However, services are not affected, and as that is the bulk of our business, we will benefit from making all those rules ourselves. If the rest doesn't work out, we can change those arrangements at our own leisure at a future date.

As for Barnier, he is in negotiating mood, so you can take his public pronouncements with a pinch of salt.

Remember that both sides in the negotiation actually do want a deal. All this smoke and mirrors is designed both to unsettle the British and get plaudits for him when he announces the deal at the 11th ho
Chequers is effectively half in/ half out.

OLD BOY 19-09-2018 13:06
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Chequers is effectively half in/ half out.
I don't agree, although that is certainly the mantra we are hearing from more hard line Brexiteers.

Theresa May has reiterated her position only this week. Out of the EU. Out of the common market. Out of the customs union. No free movement of people. No jurisdiction over the UK of the ECJ.

I think what is causing the upset is the idea of the Common Rulebook. According to the PM, this sets out those arrangements for trade which we already have with the EU and we are comfortable with. Services will be exempt and we are told that trade deals with the rest of the world will be unaffected by this. TM also clarified that if the EU changed the rules set out in the Common Rulebook in the future, we would be free to consider them and reject them if we felt it was bad for Britain. This, of course, could lead to other consequences, but these could be negotiated separately, which would be easier outside of the EU as we would have already settled the other issues by then.

It was also made clear over the weekend that a future PM would be able to change the Chequers deal after Brexit and even scrap it altogether if that was considered right for Britain.

All in all, therefore, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Acceptance of the Chequers deal is not a half way house. We will be out of the EU and free to make our own decisions. The Chequers arrangements that are agreed will be our trade deal with the EU.

Most people in this country I believe want a smooth exit from the EU with ongoing good relations with the EU, but without the free movement, etc, etc that we are subject to right now, and Chequers will deliver that. I think most of the antagonism towards Chequers is the result of misunderstandings generated by all the noises off. When people understand what it is we have agreed with Europe, assuming that happens, and also appreciate that the only alternative is WTO, I think the majority of the population will side with the Government.

Parliament will get to vote for the agreed Chequers deal (if it is agreed with the EU) or to reject it, in which case Nigel Farage will get what he wants. There will not be another referendum and a General Election to decide the matter is not on the cards.

djfunkdup 19-09-2018 16:39
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191 days 7 hrs 19 min and 30 seconds :D


Onwards and upwards ;)

Sephiroth 19-09-2018 17:12
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Oneards and forward.

Angua 19-09-2018 17:42
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So why is Barnier currently working on Britain's ideas for the Northern Irish border?

Many hurtful things are said in the course of negotiations - look at the recent UKTV exchanges.

Barnier's outbursts are designed for effect and to try to influence outcomes by unnerving the opposition.

We will get there in the end. <snipped>

Barnier rebuffs calls for flexibility on Irish border. So one wonders what he is trying to bluff? This is quite possibly the most vital issue in the Brexit negotiation.

Sephiroth 19-09-2018 17:59
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So far the EU’s position has been a wheeze to allow Eire to force a wedge into the UK.

OLD BOY 19-09-2018 18:30
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Barnier rebuffs calls for flexibility on Irish border. So one wonders what he is trying to bluff? This is quite possibly the most vital issue in the Brexit negotiation.
Barnier speaks with forked tongue! He's blowing hot and cold at the moment and he seems to be contradicting himself now.

Mr K 19-09-2018 18:38
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191 days 7 hrs 19 min and 30 seconds :D


Onwards and upwards ;)
Bit like a Doomsday clock.... ;)

I suspect not much will change with whatever transition/delay gets or doesn't get negotiated, and it will be Brexit day in name only. We're nowhere near ready for any of the major changes it entails.

denphone 19-09-2018 19:10
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Barnier speaks with forked tongue! He's blowing hot and cold at the moment and he seems to be contradicting himself now.
No different to our politicians then...

heero_yuy 19-09-2018 19:18
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The EU speaks with many tongues. All of them false.

djfunkdup 19-09-2018 19:50
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The EU speaks with many tongues. All of them false.
Yes i remember i had a rubber one i got out a joke shop called 'Tam Shepards'
in Glasgow.It was very realistic and i used to throw it at people and through time it became hairy :D

That joke shop also sold these fake dog shites that you would heat up in the oven for 20 min then you would take it out the packet and they were warm and really smelly and you could leave them anywhere you liked as a joke :D Now the rest of the tale of woe can't be told here but trust me these fake shits got put in some really random places :p: Goodness the things you do when young :D

denphone 19-09-2018 20:23
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The EU speaks with many tongues. All of them false.
l don't disagree heero but anybody who places faith in our duplicitous politicians is going to be deeply disappointed and let down IMO as well.

Mr K 19-09-2018 20:27
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I really don't know how we've got the impression that our politicians are any better than those in the EU. The last few years have proved the opposite if anything. Our wonderful elected representatives really will have no one else to blame post Brexit.

Pierre 19-09-2018 21:44
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I really don't know how we've got the impression that our politicians are any better than those in the EU. The last few years have proved the opposite if anything. Our wonderful elected representatives really will have no one else to blame post Brexit.
Not any better, But we can remove our poor performing politicians and we can decide who replaces them.

OLD BOY 20-09-2018 07:31
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I really don't know how we've got the impression that our politicians are any better than those in the EU. The last few years have proved the opposite if anything. Our wonderful elected representatives really will have no one else to blame post Brexit.


Yes they will. Us. :D


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