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Great post. Heck, even Brexiter tabloid The Sun acknowledges the two types of Brexit.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/378670...iations-talks/

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l get very fed up with these labels Mr K as they have been used far too much for my liking as politicians and the public have to go by what they believe in and as such we should respect that.

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Of course its still happening as you say it should but you did not seem too happy the other day with the PM after the first deal was concluded.

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Which would be a disgrace, and a punch in the eye for the electorate. The remainers aren't good losers, are they?

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As the EU has no wish for a hard border in Ireland, maybe you've answered your own question.

The biggest non-secret is that the EU actually DO want a deal!

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Can someone explain why it’s wrong for MPs to have a vote on the actual legislation that will be produced after negotiations on leaving the EU, and why it’s right for MPs to have a vote on the laws and statutes produced when the Government (of any party) tries to introduce/change any other legislation?

In both cases, a majority of voters (whether it’s a General Election or a Referendum) have indicated they want something to happen - either to Leave the EU or in support of a Party Manifesto.

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I think some of the extreme Brexiters fear Parliamentary scrutiny will reduce the chances of a hard Brexit. It's not a philosophical question for them.

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Most people in Northern Ireland don't want a hard border either, even hardcore unionists.

Of course the EU wants a deal. With a few exceptions, the UK wants a deal too.

On the vote last night, can we just quote from the Vote Leave website;

Is there too much parliamentary sovereignty now?

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No, it's not that. The fear is that if the EU knows that we have to take the deal that's on the table back to Parliament, who could then tell the Government to go back for further negotiations, this will put the UK on the back foot, and the EU could exploit the position. It could result in the UK getting a worse deal because our negotiating hand is weakened.

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No such thing as a hard/soft Brexit. I have already said that. Leave means leave, no middle ground. No foot in the bloody doors.

Leave means you exit, depart, walk out of. If I leave my house or car, it means I’m no longer in or connected to it’s surroundings.

Leave on the ballot paper meant leaving the EU and that meant completely!

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Unfortunately the government have to consider what's next after leaving. Leave means Leave isn't a policy proposal.

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It’s wrong because Parliament has already given the Democratic power to the people, us, they decided back in 2015, to give the people back the sovereign democratic decision to leave the EU and now they wanted that power back to stop the process because they cannot believe leave won.

Those rebel MPs are talking complete bollocks when they say they care about giving Parliament the sovereign power to decide, they did not give a toss about that for 40 years, while Brussels was deciding our laws.

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I disagree. Because a £9 Million leaflet that the government sent to every household in Britain, said they will act on what people decide, and the people decided they wanted to leave.

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But we are leaving the EU. Leaving the institution doesn't mean not having any external relationship with them. It means: Out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ, out of the single market, 'control' over immigration and so on. However Leaving the EU is the same thing as not having close ties to the EU.

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What a load a claptrap as most have clearly accepted it.

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Clearly they have not.

11 of them and all of the Labour ******* MPs bar 2, that’s Feild and Hoey, clearly did not last night.

Parliament voted to have the Brexit referendum, then voted to trigger A50. How many more times do you want Parliament to have a say?

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l am talking about the general public Mick as last nights vote is another matter in itself.

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You won, you voted for and got power restored to Parliament. Was it not clear on the voting form?