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Kymmy 23-02-2016 17:48
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35823496)
Bit like communism/socialism.....and there are enough feckwhits about willing to give that one more try :D
Not really.. Soviet Union had more internal borders that any Europe had

ntluser 23-02-2016 18:30
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823491)
The whole point about Schengen was that there is no borders within the EU. The security is handled by the external borders. Fantastic idea in a perfect world but as we know the world is far from perfect.
Relying just on external borders to provide security is not a good idea as the security provided by different countries varies in quality putting the whole Schengen area at risk.

This was demonstrated by the invasion of Greece and Italy by Syrian refugees, who were allowed through various EU countries without the necessary registrations and checks being made.

Osem 23-02-2016 18:40
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They say a chain is only a strong as its weakest link and remind me which countries are at the sharp end of the migration chaos? The EU is effectively relying on the likes of Greece for its border security. Great!

Another half baked, poorly implemented, idiotic policy courtesy of the EU...

richard s 23-02-2016 19:19
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Thankfully with have the English channel between us and the rest of Europe. Now I have heard that some of the migrants/refugees are moving towards Holland, the only means of getting to Blighty from there is by ship.

I believe that the Tory's Out Mob have a plan to heighten security for this country based on the 1939 defence plan of this country. Have barges, ships, oil drums laden with fuel and diesel stationed along the South East Coast just in case of migrants or ISIL try to invade from France by boat/rubber dinghy. Also there are plans to station artillary guns along the entire coast with barage balloons erected in case they try to hang-glide over.

:D

Kymmy 23-02-2016 19:38
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35823509)
Relying just on external borders to provide security is not a good idea as the security provided by different countries varies in quality putting the whole Schengen area at risk.
Yep, I never though said it was a good idea, unless we have our perfect world..

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Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35823509)
This was demonstrated by the invasion of Greece and Italy by Syrian refugees, who were allowed through various EU countries without the necessary registrations and checks being made.
Which as asylum seekers they should be registered in Greece or Italy, still that means we can reject them and deport them back to whichever country of first entry. Just because we're not in Schengen the rules cover first point of entry until we leave the EU, then I'm not sure where we would stand in deporting them.

nomadking 23-02-2016 21:03
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Too many of the EU ideas, eg free movement and Schengen tend to look Ok with the make-up of the EU at the time, but then more countries are added and it turns into a big mess.

Osem 23-02-2016 21:30
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Belgium has announced it has imposed controls on its border with France amid fears of an influx of migrants.

Up to 290 police officers would be deployed along the border, said Interior Minister Jan Jambon.

The move comes as a French court deliberates over the legality of plans imminently to evict thousands of migrants from part of the "Jungle" camp in Calais.

"They're already on their way here," Mr Jambon was quoted as saying.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35639858

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He said the controls, which entail a suspension of the EU's Schengen accord allowing passport-free travel, would last "as long as necessary".
French and British officials want to reduce the number of migrants in Calais and deter others from heading there in the hope of reaching the UK.

Migrants gathered in the "Jungle" camp in Calais were told by authorities last week that they faced eviction from the southern portion of the camp.

That has triggered fears in Belgium that the camp's inhabitants will simply move on.

"It's our express intention to avoid tent camps like Calais in our country," Mr Jambon said.

He said 32 people had been arrested on Monday in Adinkerke, a Belgian village close to the French border.
Why are the being allowed to move on? Why are they being allowed to remain in France having refused to claim asylum there and been involved in repeated illegality? What sort of system would allow this to happen? European borders under siege by people who're hell bent on breaching our security and disrespecting our laws. As usual there are plenty of questions about the goings on within the EU and precious few reassuring answers...

Ramrod 23-02-2016 22:39
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35823498)
Not really.. Soviet Union had more internal borders that any Europe had
Sorry. I was commenting on your last sentence about the some ideas being fantastic in theory but rubbish in practice.

heero_yuy 24-02-2016 13:44
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A HUGE riot has broken out at a Belgian migrant camp as refugees allegedly clashed over their different interpretations of Islamic dress.

As many as 100 Syrian asylum seekers fought with Iraqis and Afghans after the latter group reportedly targeted a young woman for not wearing a headscarf.

The unrest comes as Belgium tightened its border with France to prevent thousands of new arrivals should the notorious Jungle camp in Calais be cleared in the coming days.
Linky

Coming to a town near you. I'm sure they'll integrate nicely. :erm:

Ramrod 24-02-2016 14:22
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Asylum Seeker Raped Young Migrant Shelter Employee After He Received Anti-Rape Training........

Osem 24-02-2016 18:44
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35823617)
Linky

Coming to a town near you. I'm sure they'll integrate nicely. :erm:
Quite.

Who was it who believed they would? Honestly, why did anyone ever think that huge groups of desperate people of different faiths, cultures etc. wouldn't clash sooner or later? Who was it who believed that this would never be allowed to happen in Europe? Who was it who told the rest of us we were scaremongering when we dared to point this out? Where are these people now? Moved on to their next grand cause I imagine...

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35823629)
Asylum Seeker Raped Young Migrant Shelter Employee After He Received Anti-Rape Training........
Odd how so many of these people reckon they're under 16 isn't it... :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 24-02-2016 20:59
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35823629)
Asylum Seeker Raped Young Migrant Shelter Employee After He Received Anti-Rape Training........
Wtf is anti rape training and why would any country accept any refugee that requires training not to rape someone, he should be told to sod of back to whatever hell hole he crawled out of once he's done some prison time as he and that place are clearly suited.

techguyone 24-02-2016 22:57
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35823709)
Wtf is anti rape training and why would any country accept any refugee that requires training not to rape someone, he should be told to sod of back to whatever hell hole he crawled out of once he's done some prison time as he and that place are clearly suited.
What he said.

I've never heard anything like it... 'anti rape training... ffs has the World gone mad??

heero_yuy 25-02-2016 11:42
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EUROPE is braced for the arrival of one million more migrants this year as the head of EU Border Agency said fences will be useless against the human tide.

Fabrice Leggeri warned that walls and wire were no match for determined people, adding: "Fences will stop no-one."

"It would be a success if the refugee numbers for this year remained stable in comparison to 2015...We are confronting a situation in Syria this year which will result in another million refugees," he said.
Linky

Must be a definition of "success" that I was previously unaware of.:erm:

Osem 25-02-2016 13:18
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Ministers from EU and Balkan nations are meeting in Brussels to try to heal rifts over migrants that have plunged common policy into chaos.

Austria, Serbia and Macedonia have taken their own steps to limit entry to migrants, angering Greece, which fears the controls will cause a bottleneck.

A surge in migration, and the failure to agree an EU-wide response, have led to warnings about the bloc's survival.

More than 100,000 migrants have reached Europe this year, most via the Balkans.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35657054

More crisis meetings to debate more abject EU failure.

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Greece recalls ambassador from Austria amid sharp EU divisions over migrant crisis
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35658776


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