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If they produced enough i doubt they would transport it from the mother land

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https://www.ufuni.org/farming

There are thousands of local butchers, each making their own sausages. The imports from GB will be things like Cumberland sausages that presumably have to come from a specific region. The big supermarkets will also source produce from GB, such as chilled mince but there's really no need.

The argument is really over standards. GB food standards currently exceed EU requirements. The problem is that Bojo/Frostie refuse to commit to keeping things that way. A commitment to maintain standards would do away with 90% of the checks at a stroke.

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An excellent and renowned butcher. I've dropped in many times when passing through.

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Let’s follow this logically

As per chris’s post we all know (yes, even us staunch remainers) that the EU is incredibly bureaucratic.

BUT

We accepted the deal that was offered by the EU because if we didn’t a hard border would have been created which would have broken the GFA agreement

If we break the agreement with the EU and a hard border is implemented that breaks the GFA that’s on the U.K. for failing to adhere not the EU

The EU have no legal requirement to move from their position and if they choose not to adjust then this is only resolved in one of two ways

1. The U.K. implements and obides by the treaty it agreed too (which it becomes
clearer by the day they didn’t have the full picture of what they were agreeing to)

2. The EU softens it’s stance (which is possible but unlikely as what message does that send to other non eu countries)


Any sort of border in Ireland highly increases the chances of a trade deal with the US not occurring

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Who exactly would erect this hard border?

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No. 3 must be per paddy1's post - the UK commits to maintain veterinary standards and the EU grants us equivalence.

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who erects the border is insignificant compared to why the border was erected.

If both of you think that if the U.K government ignores/withdraws from the treaty and the EU then erect a border that the U.K. won’t be held accountable then you need to think again.

The country was sold a a pig in a poke by the government, yet brexiteers are desperate to blame someone or somebody else for the U.K. governments failings

Whatever happened to oven ready?

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That would fall under option 2. But then how does that play out with other non EU countries ?

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I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to know authoritatively if it would be an issue for the EU and other non-EU countries or not. But the uniqueness of the situation is probably sufficient not to set a precedent. After all, although we talk about being in the European Single Market, for things like medicines it is following UK rules; the EU is not insisting that medicines sold in NI have be approved by the European Medicines Agency.

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You could go out there and plant a row of sour grape vines along the border, it might help you with getting over losing the referendum :rolleyes:

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Wanting to hold the government accountable for its actions isn’t sour grapes

Those vines may be best gifted to Sephi and his perceived EU ‘nastiness’ ;)

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Presumably the UK or EU erecting a wall in NI would be the final remedy. I'm sure the EU scale of escalation is:
- Diplomatic pressure including getting the US on board
- Economic pressure - putting the pressure on big investors like Siemens and AkzoNoble to warn the UK that their investment is threatened by possible sanctions
- Targeted sanctions on British goods and services, introduction of visas etc.

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Agreed, it would be last resort.

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I don't believe that the UK is wanting to pull out of the Protocol, we are just asking for some common sense on its interpretation.

If this is the kind of inflexibility we can expect from the EU, maybe we should think seriously whether this deal with the EU is actually worth it. Many of us saw this coming but we hoped that the EU would demonstrate some intelligence in dealing with the practical issues arising from the new arrangements.