Re: U.S Election 2020
 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/covi...ronavirus.html

It’s almost as if holding crowded events in an enclosed area with very few, if any, wearing masks, was a bad thing that spread infections...

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

You mean a bit like Biden supporters were on Saturday, in their thousands outside the White House and other Democrat cities, when the media unofficially declared him the winner. :rolleyes:

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

I thought the President and his closest advisors were supposed to lead by example, not act like a crowd?

(A lot of whom were wearing masks, unlike the White House event).

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Biden supporters should know better then shouldn't they?

But oh wow, you have super abilities now that you can see most if not all are wearing masks, here's the thing, it is irrelevant, only takes one not to wear one and there are several in that video of Biden supporters not wearing one, it only takes one to spread to several people Hugh.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Also tbh I doubt masks are that effective when you're in a huge mass of people.

They shouldn't have done it. America is hitting record levels of infection now so it's also a very dangerous time to do it.

Makes me wonder about the inauguration as well. Will it be a public event?

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Thanks Damien, this is all I was after. You cannot attack one side and totally ignore the other side doing the same, regardless if more are wearing masks, not all were and it is still the same thing.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

If they’re used properly masks are highly effective even in a crowd. The operative however is “properly”. If it is intercepting live virus particles on its outer surface (statistically quite likely in a crowd), then how the wearer removes and disposes of it is critical, as is how they wash and disinfect themselves afterwards. During the summer, Mrs had to go through a lengthy recommended decontamination process every evening when she came home from staffing the key workers kids’ school. I doubt many people of either political stripe will have done this when coming home from a crowd.

I have heard Biden’s comments about mask wearing repeatedly on the news. On the face of it it’s simple, common sense advice, but what he’s actually doing is sowing a narrative that democrats are sensible mask wearers and Trump supporters are reckless. He’s right, everyone should be wearing a mask, but for the sake of de-escalation he should be shying away from addressing it as a partisan issue at all IMO. The risk is that he entrenches behaviour from some people who decide to proudly adopt it as a symbol of their political independence. That wouldn’t help anyone.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

BREAKING: Current Senator Majority leader, Mitch McConnell has thrown his support behind President Trump, declining to recognise Joe Biden's victory. U.S Attorney General, Bill Barr was seen entering and leaving his office, ignoring media reporters questions.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

However, McConnell seems to be careful in his words though saying Trump can pursue all legal avenues rather than backing his claims.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Agreed. He's stating the facts.

Similarly people making statements about ensuring legal votes count and illegal votes do not is carefully crafted fence sitting.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Also, talk at this juncture is cheap. Trump ceases to be president at noon on 20 January 2021 regardless of any political declaration by anyone.

As things stand, the States will send their electors who will vote by a majority to make Biden the formal president-elect. The only thing that can possibly prevent that is an unprecedented intervention by the Supreme Court, which would have to set aside an enormous number of ballots to make any material difference to the outcome of the election.

As with so much in US politics, it’s all theatre for consumption by the faithful, and in the case of senior republicans half of them will now be wondering exactly what they have to do to get the party nomination in 2024, given Trump is now free to pursue it himself if he wishes.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

The supreme court need not necessarily get involved. The states could audit the vote before certification and discrepancies trigger count changes.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Which they could only do in the unlikely event one of these cases manages to even reach them and, if it does, even a partisan court will only break for Trump in a tight decision. The Justices of either side wouldn't want to completely undermine the court for Trump by overturning a result - in multiple states - without very good reason to do so.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

Yes, the states also have their own supreme courts. That’s not my point - which is simply that it makes no difference who accepts the results or whether Trump concedes. His presidency will end regardless, as a matter of constitutional process.

Trump’s failure to make a concession speech will simply be consistent with the sort of graceless behaviour he is now well known for.

Re: U.S Election 2020
 

I don't think anyone disputes that.