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It's not always about Hilary.

Trump lies again and lives in cloud cuckooland, where he is right or it's all fake news or everyone is corrupt because they disagree with him or have a different view.

He maybe the President, but he is NOT above the law.

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:clap:

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I never said he was FFS and neither did he, so wind your ‘For her’ neck in. :rolleyes:

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I'll do nothing of the sort.

He tweeted saying he can commit a crime and then pardon himself.

If that's not saying he is above the law then I don't know what is. Even though he is wrong.

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You are wrong.

Where did he specifically tweet he can commit a crime and then pardon himself?

Can’t find that tweet, so as I suggested with the neck, wind it in.

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So in your opinion, what did he say?
Don't tell me what to do. I have every right to post my freely and voice ny opinion.

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I managed to find the tweet in question Mick.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...922147841?s=20
Think you are playing with words, the meaning is clear, he thinks he is above the law.
You are rather proving Stephen's point about Trump supporters.
However I'll 'go and wind my neck in too', if you like ;)

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You see this is where yet again, you see things that are not being said - it does not say "He can commit a crime and then pardon himself". He did NOT specifically say that whatsoever, typical of left leaning folk and the pathetic Anti-Trump press and haters, making shit up as usual. :rolleyes:

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Again you're seeing things NOT there. I said "Wind your neck in", that is NOT telling you not to post your views, nor would I do that. "Wind your neck in" is a term associated with being told to calm it, "pipe down" with the "excitement" or over analysis especially when what you are expressing is most certainly incorrect and ridiculous.

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Trump said he could pardon himself, but a pardon can only be issued for someone who has been found guilty of something, so he is saying he is above the law.

His lawyer, Guliani, stated on a TV programme on Sunday that Trump could shoot Comey and not be indicted whilst serving as President.

Do you think any President (or anyone) should be above the law, and be allowed to pardon themselves for crimes they’ve been found guilty of?

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I think Rudy is losing his ability to make the case for a winning argument - he seems to be saying "no matter what the President does, he cannot be indited" but he has a terrible way of saying it.

He is correct in this.

Trump cannot then be charged with anything and the only way for him to be removed from office or be found guilty of anything, is through impeachment.

Under which grounds he cannot pardon himself:

https://www.heritage.org/constitutio...9/pardon-power

I don't even agree with this interpretation though, the constitution clearly states:

Article II section 2:

If the President cannot be indicted and the IC statute has expired the only way to charge / indict a sitting President is an article of Impeachment, which he cannot be involved in the pardon of.

He is simply wrong and Giuliani makes it worse for Trump, every single day by saying that the President cannot be indicted - he is slowly whittling down any other option to charge / indict him other than impeachment, which in stark black and white / no uncertain terms, removes the ability to pardon.

By Giuliani's definition Trump can neither be indicted nor pardon himself as the only proceeding that can go up against him is the process of impeachment, which Trump cannot meddle with.

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I think its time everyone in this topic took a deep breath and stopped falling out with each other.

I'll be more than happy to close this if arguments persist.

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No he is not saying he is above the law - stop putting words in to a sentence that does NOT exist. No where in a tweet has he said, "he can commit a crime and pardon himself", he said he has the power to pardon himself, but has no intention because he's done nothing wrong, which he has not, as no evidence has been found, plenty of evidence exists regarding his opponent potentially breaking some elections laws with her and the DNC funding the Russian sourced Dossier, a fact you keep conveniently forgetting. - Trump probably does as per the Constitution, have the power to pardon himself, the text in the constitution is ambiguous, he cannot pardon himself from an impeachment, but an indictment is not the same as impeachment.

As for you asking if anyone should be above the law - think you're forgetting our Head of State, her Majesty, The Queen, in this country, is above the law.

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Do you think she should be?

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But to be given a Presidential Pardon, someone has to have been found guilty of a Federal crime, so the only time Trump could pardon himself would be if he had been found guilty of a Federal crime...

If Trump isn’t going to pardon himself because he won’t need to pardon himself, why say he could in the first place?