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Great result for parliamentry democracy.

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If there’s no trade deal, we will have to accept EU MFN tariffs for exports to the EU. I would have thought that an uplift in pricing due to tariffs would make UK exports less competitive, especially with agriculture and fishing for example. How this reconciles with no hard border in Ireland, I don’t know.

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Yes it is refreshing and hopeful for our democracy that there are some MPs that are not prepared to be bullied and herded like sheep, and will vote for what they know is right and in the best interests of the country. Another coffin nail for the hard Brexiters.

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There is no such things as a hard or soft brexit. Terms made up by hard Remainers.

We are still leaving, Brexit is still happening, as it should do, you know that bit about democracy, that you persistently disrespect. :rolleyes:

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Agreed. Great to see MPs putting their country and constituents first. David Davis should take note.

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But not really because Parliament already had a say on Brexit, when it decided to give the the people the choice to decide, well, the people decided to leave in overwhelming numbers, not thousands, not hundreds of thousands but over a million, that is a huge majority.

That leave decision meant leave, not doing back door deals or staying connected with one foot in the door, these people have had enough of 40 years of corruption with these EU *******s.

We are still leaving, it will just get dragged out by pathetic remainer MPs who will try their best to thwart it, delay it, like they have from day one, the same ones who think we cannot manage without the corrupt EU, we can and we should and we are going to, millions of people who voted to leave are not going to let this get shoved under the carpet, especially since I and many of these leavers do not want to be associated or connected to any corrupt entity trying to form a United States of Europe. Yuck, no thank you!

In other news, Electoral Commission has found that Russia spent less than one dollar on adverts in the EU Referendum. Hardly pushing a narrative of their interference, so evidence of the meddling is a bit like CNN, Very Fake News. :rolleyes:

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They have done no such thing!

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Facebook wrote to the Electoral Commission about paid advertising only.
https://www.ft.com/content/3bc945a2-...4-0a1e63a52f9c

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Hard Brexit = Canada style trade deal or less
Soft Brexit = Canada-style deal including services (David Davies called it Canada++) or more.

It does have a difference. The terms are used to define how close a relationship with the EU we'll have.

Also all these 'leave means leave, we'll have nothing to do with them' is a nonsense. They are our largest trading partner and right on our doorstep. I am not sure what fantasy exists where they'll cease to be an entity we have to deal with.

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For anyone wondering why British business wants to continue to be governed by EU rules, I recommend they Google the following FT article "Why British businesses are calling to stay under EU rules"
https://www.ft.com/content/1a6e3294-...4-0a1e63a52f9c

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It is still completely rubbish. I did not need any help by any Russian, Australian or Canadian to vote for Brexit, the corruption of the EU itself over 40 years, helped me decide on my own merit, I would say that was the same reason for 17.4 Million people.

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It does not matter what British Businesses wants, a democratic process took place. People voted to leave.

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Which bit is rubbish? Facebook is still being investigated, that's the issue. How manipulated you were by social media is not the question.

This is not about not leaving it's about understanding how we can maximise employment and tax revenue for public services like the NHS and armed forces.

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I don't know what, if anything, Russia did with Brexit and I agree they wouldn't have caused it. There is a long history of Euroscepticism in the UK. How fever the accusation levelled about Russia's involvement in the UK is to stir up division, hatred and anger with the idea a divided country is a harder on to govern. So using trolls/bots to amplify divisive messages, boost the perceived numbers of what are actually of a small minority of people and so.

That to flood the internet with actual fake news so that nothing is true. There is a good amount of evidence that stories of migrants attacking people originate on Russian sites or twitter accounts. RT took a photo of ballots to be counted in the Scottish Referendum to suggest the vote might have been rigged.

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That's just it, I and many others weren't, if at all.

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The issue at the moment is that the social media companies have supplied insufficient information to the enquiry. It's not about how much or how little people were influenced by it or even which side the accounts took.

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I think the real objective should be to find solutions, not just keep putting problems in the way.