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Russ 24-08-2014 09:26
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35723868)

Rather questionable to say anyone buys the league...though not surprised man utd supporters say that...they would cry about anything.
It wasn't a Man United supporter who said it.

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Originally Posted by colin25
A good player, though one might say they are trying to buy the league...the irony could not be missed

colin25 24-08-2014 09:30
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35723869)
It wasn't a Man United supporter who said it.
Oh, sorry, I have to explain irony to you.

Irony is not saying something with an extra y..like steely and goldy

Irony means
a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

though I do like
a literary technique, originally used in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's words or actions is clear to the audience or reader although unknown to the character.

the character(s) in this case are man utd fans....irony is the number of times they "ranted" about buying the league to other teams

Russ 24-08-2014 09:37
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
So I could use your definition of irony to say Man United have won the league each year since the PL began? OK, fair enough.

Most people consider 'buying the league' as winning it through a sugar daddy putting in money in the club, rather than funds earned by the team's previous success. So on those terms any money currently spent by Chelsea, United, City etc is not buying the league.

If a team is not known for success then gets hundreds of millions (or even billions) pumped in to it from a new owner and suddenly they're a top 4 team or start winning cups/titles, that's what I consider "buying the league".

colin25 24-08-2014 09:41
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35723871)
So I could use your definition of irony to say Man United have won the league each year since the PL began? OK, fair enough.

Most people consider 'buying the league' as winning it through a sugar daddy putting in money in the club, rather than funds earned by the team's previous success. So on those terms any money currently spent by Chelsea, United, City etc is not buying the league.

If a team is not known for success then gets hundreds of millions (or even billions) pumped in to it from a new owner and suddenly they're a top 4 team or start winning cups/titles, that's what I consider "buying the league".
Man utd in massive debt...yes...they are how a club should be

Amusing as ever...thank you :D

Russ 24-08-2014 09:44
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
I think they call that a 'straw man' argument. You've commented on a point I did not make - again you're the one who has said it's "how a club should be", not me. Unless that's another definition of 'irony'.

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edti: yes, straw man it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

colin25 24-08-2014 09:57
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35723873)
I think they call that a 'straw man' argument. You've commented on a point I did not make - again you're the one who has said it's "how a club should be", not me. Unless that's another definition of 'irony'.

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edti: yes, straw man it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
lol...you just keep giving.

you commented on how you thought a team should be...by not spending money (of course, unless they are Utd)

You can't even get your own words right...lol :D

Russ 24-08-2014 10:02
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35723876)
lol...you just keep giving.

you commented on how you thought a team should be...by not spending money (of course, unless they are Utd)

You can't even get your own words right...lol :D
From my link above about a straw man argument:

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The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

Person 1 asserts proposition X.
Person 2 argues against a false but superficially similar proposition Y, as if that were an argument against Person 1's position.
I didn't comment on "how a club should be" - you did that. I just gave my definition of what I consider "buying the league" means, a topic YOU brought up. Have I said teams shouldn't do it? No. Have I said clubs shouldn't spend money? No.

colin25 24-08-2014 10:19
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35723880)
From my link above about a straw man argument:



I didn't comment on "how a club should be" - you did that. I just gave my definition of what I consider "buying the league" means, a topic YOU brought up. Have I said teams shouldn't do it? No. Have I said clubs shouldn't spend money? No.
sigh...now you are just being sad

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lol...your typical reaction to my comment sums you up

Bulky 24-08-2014 10:24
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
The sugar daddy is the reason financial fair play has been brought in. Neither manchester city nor Chelsea , PSG are run as a business. If their owners decided to sell on and the new owner was not to put any of their own money into the clubs they would go into administration. A debt is only a problem if it can't be serviced. Manchester United as much as it's draining the club of finances can afford to service debts and finance players and pay wages through the actual turnover of the club , it's just a testament to how a world wide brand brings in the finances. There are two world wide branded clubs in the premier league at present and will probably be joined by more in the coming years.

Mr Pharmacist 24-08-2014 11:38
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"Sugar daddies" only become a problem for others when their clubs start to win major trophies. That's what FFP is all about really. These clubs are reducing the "elite" European clubs chances of success, and UEFA don't like it. Sky made football a big money business, and that's attracted a wide variety of new owners, including bad ones, at all levels of the game. And owners have been dipping into their pockets to assist their teams since football started, and the new breed certainly ain't going away. If anything, more will arrive. Blame the people who created the cash cow that football has become.

thenry 24-08-2014 12:35
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Carlo Ancelotti: "He (Di Maria) came this (Sunday) morning but did not train. This is not finished yet but the transfer is close to being concluded and he came to say goodbye. We thanked him for what he did in this team and we wish him well. I have a very good relationship with him but he had made ​​a decision. The club has done everything possible but it was not to be. "

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actua...a-reste/492942


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City join race for £64m Di Maria

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1450275.ece
:LOL: so not only has the tag been hiked by 10m (where have I seen that before!) but Man City might now look closer at financing the deal lol

Russ 24-08-2014 12:37
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
City wouldn't be able to buy him yet due to FFP and seeing as he's supposedly said goodbye to his RM team mates I can't see him hanging around a few days.

colin25 24-08-2014 12:43
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35723901)


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:LOL: so not only has the tag been hiked by 10m (where have I seen that before!) but Man City might now look closer at financing the deal lol
i would not believe all the stories you read....football stories are often written with no basis of truth

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Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35723895)
"Sugar daddies" only become a problem for others when their clubs start to win major trophies. That's what FFP is all about really. These clubs are reducing the "elite" European clubs chances of success, and UEFA don't like it. Sky made football a big money business, and that's attracted a wide variety of new owners, including bad ones, at all levels of the game. And owners have been dipping into their pockets to assist their teams since football started, and the new breed certainly ain't going away. If anything, more will arrive. Blame the people who created the cash cow that football has become.
Most of the complaining is coming from the elite few...who are unhappy they can't get it their own way

thenry 24-08-2014 12:48
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35723903)
City wouldn't be able to buy him yet due to FFP and seeing as he's supposedly said goodbye to his RM team mates I can't see him hanging around a few days.
they could buy him. they would just need RM to help them spread out the payment. but yeah, he does look Man Utd bound. what might grate for sure is the fee being hiked by 10m but eurosport say its been hiked by 20m £.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...7244--sow.html

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35723904)
i would not believe all the stories you read....football stories are often written with no basis of truth
not all. theres no doubt Man City would have had another look at the Di Maria deal now Man Utd are looking to sign him.

Shadow Demon UK 24-08-2014 12:58
Re: Football Season 2014/15
 
I'm still not sure about this signing. I don't know how he will fit in to the way Van Gaal wants to play. The money could be spent on strengthening areas of the squad that need it more imo


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