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It's been reported all over the place but I'm not searching for where I have seen it at this time of night (morning). Have you read Ignitions post at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=144 .

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Absolutely patchwork I agree with you 100%.

DVS, it's a little hard I agree, just make sure you don't get accused of arguing that white is black!

Ian, where do you get your figures from?

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Yes I think your correct.

Pete

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Christ Ian I think you might want to read the link you've given me!

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I would prefer that there were no caps at all but there are due to the usage of a minority of customers.
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I have, what's wrong with it? :confused:

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So is it 7Gb dropping to 4Gb or 6GB dropping to 5GB? Or are you talking out of your arse?

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The figures may not be exactly the same but whichever you take blows holes in the theories of usage some are claiming. Both sets of figures are in the same ballpark. Look at the fact that less than 5% of users consume over half the bandwidth and it tells you why caps are needed.

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I live in the middle of a big city and I've never noticed any slow downs, if there really is a conjestion problem then I would have see it by now.

Personally I think its more about off network bandwidth charges than conjestion, and they only have themselves to blame in that department.

Pete

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Where does the fact that less than 5% of users consume >50% of bandwidth come from?

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You may not have seen any congestion but that doesn't mean there is none. NTL can look at UBR usage and load balance or add further UBRs before usage starts to suffer too much. Upgrades cost money though and if you are a little short on the old cash you can implement usage restrictions to delay the need for upgrades. With increased speeds come increased risk of congestion so NTL, in common with many ISPs, try to reel in the heavy users with their excessive demands on the infrastructure.
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Many sources all over the place. Try a little Googling. In that post of Ignitions he said that 5% of users consumed 65% of bandwidth. Many reports put it at around 60%. Ignition will know the facts about usage on NTL exactly.

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I've just read Ignition's post and this is what he says:

"The average usage for a broadband user in the UK is 6GB (This includes 'heavier' users).

5% of users are responsible for 65% of usage.

Remove that and the average drops below 5GB."

Hmmm?





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Where does he get his information from?

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Why not just stick to a guideline and just punish the most abusive users.

There's people who don't take the full advantage of broadband.

There's people like you and me who use it and may go over the limit sometimes. 60Gb a month, so what???

Then there's those who really abuse it. If you downloaded solidly for a month at 3Mb, how much would you have downloaded. Tons, I know.

Also compare that to how much you could download in a month at 1Mb. Only a third than you would at 3Mb.

So why is 1Mb = 3Gb a month and 3Mb = 30Gb a month???

Forgive me if this doesn't make sense. it's late.....

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I am getting fed up with this moaning in this forum against each other, but hey today I downloaded a total of 10.72GB of materials. I don't care what the oposition say, I pay for what I got with NTL and that is fine.

in sweden and america they have much more speed on download and uploads with unlimited downloads like NTL was until they introduced the capping rubbish.

So I am with the PatchWork on his post which I was wanting to say something along those lines sometime ago, tho I thought I would have been banned from this forum for my truthful comments..

I will be happy to stay with NTL with their new 3MB broadband, if they really with draw there cap. For those who have got 1.5GB like me will definately use what they can to get whatever or do whatever on the net, thats why we pay for this service and it did say unlimited. So stop this rubbish and having ago and people like me. OK let me say this I myself is a DJ & Graphic designer, I run a server and a DJ community and I make stuff for my clients and their websites too. My kids download the new game demos which are around 500MB each, and they play online gaming on the online servers too. plus my wife does stuff too with her computer..

I have 5 computers on a network at the mo, really I don't give damn what others say I am doing wrong with my network and using ntl broadband 24/7, 2 of my computer are never of the net, they are constanly on. Hey that what I pay for. After me and my adult friends have done some research we do think NTL have no idea on this capping idea they came up with. Also from another source within NTL in wales people who constanly use the bandwidth at maximum performance do not effect other broadband customers. If NTL could not handle all these consumers on the net they would have not introduced more free upgrades on broadband speed. Also remember NTL did go bankrupt at one time, even tho they got financial banking thats why they offered these amazing packages to get the money in fast so they could also pay off there debts and upgrade the technology with the profits thery earned. Also Telewest is also owned by NTL but Telewest has more new and better technology that NTL itself & this is a fact according to NTL...

People who complain at people like me and others cause we use and download alot of materials legal or not constantly is not a big issue, cause we have paid for an unlimeted service of course we gonna take that opportunity..

http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/ will also keep there broadband unlimited, even tho they use Telewest technology and services. I truly think this capping issue with NTL is a loadof cobs wollop. Also if I remember rightly waht PatchWork said people who have 1.5MB or 3MB aren't just gonna surf the net and check there emails and chat on instant messengers only. Cause that is surely redicoulous because that is also a waste of money for them too.

Also people on this forum who are with NTL on this capping, I don't understand why ur posting on this topic, cause surely I thought this topic was for people who were against the capping and wanted to freely discuss this with no predujice. But until PatchWork opened his mouth, I am sure others felt threatened and did not really say what was on their mind because some of u/us were jumping down some of us for our freedom of speech...

I am totally 100% against NTL capping, yes I know if i don't like it I can bloody well lump it. But I am not sure what I will do yet if I will stick with NTL with there new 3MB or go with http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/. Cause I look at value for money and what can cater for me in a reliable service. I have always supported NTL in the past as they have been extremely good to me and taken alot of money out of me in 3 years. But until they tryed to sneak this capping rubbish by us I am loosing faith in NTL itself...

So basically stop having a go at some of the guys its none of our business if they do or not download copyrighted stuff, they still have the right to their say as they have spent money on a service, and they are concerned what this holds for us now for many of us...

I thought really this forum was ment to be a nice pleaent discussion on NTL changes, but no I keep seeing in certaian replies people slagging or being unjustified to a fellow neighbour, this is not on, we all use NTL well the most of us and we just want our say or ideas without being degraded or pounced on cause of what we do or may do on the net 24/7.....

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I see your point there....if the caps were imposed to stop the network from being congested, why speed it up? Why speed 300k users up to 1Mb if they could only download about 100Mb a day. That would take about 13 mins to download a 100Mb Trailer for example, then you have to stop using the internet. Crazy.

I would rather be no cap. The whole reason I fell in love with broadband in the first place was because it was fast, unmetered and always on. I could do what the hell I liked without watching my back. These caps are taking the fun out of broadband.

I also think that 3Mb is not as good value as the 2Mb service. The gains are getting less and less benefitial over the silver service. The Gold service used to be twice as fast as the silver service and the silver service 4 times faster than the bronze service.

How many people do you reckon will move down to the 2Mb service to save £13 a month and see little difference. Even the upload speed is only 100k less.

I think they've lost the plot.

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Well, I can safely say that if you download 10gb EVERY day, the choice about whether to stay with ntl won't be yours......