Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067113)

Perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36067097)

It’s still speculation that Disney intend to stream the series rather than find a buyer for the rights - and the speculation itself is indicating it will be Hotstar offering it and not Disney Plus. Still remains to be seen if that’s the case.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067115)

I think he’s referring to the ’Star’ branded menu they’re adding alongside Disney, Marvel, Star Wars and Pixar.

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067116)

I believe they have said they will be streaming it.

Yes they said via Hotstar, however they also said this would be available from 22/23rd Feb through Disney+.

This was quite bizarre as it means potential subscribers would miss the first 2 tests.

Not sure if there is anyother way to stream from Hotstar.

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If he is I cannot see how that is 'more mature'

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067116)

I believe they have said they will be streaming it.

Yes they said via Hotstar, however they also said this would be available from 22/23rd Feb through Disney+.

This was quite bizarre as it means potential subscribers would miss the first 2 tests.

Not sure if there is anyother way to stream from Hotstar.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36063836)

By ‘they’ you do of course mean ‘you’. ;)

When any service provider is entirely reliant on a third party for product placement, that service provider becomes vulnerable. They no longer decide which of their shows come top of the menu. Worse, they may in time be asked to pay to appear, or pay more for prominence. If this occurs in an environment where it has become the norm for customers to access the product via a third party, the damage to the provider’s ability to get its product under the consumer’s nose may be significant.

Netflix has clearly decided the risk of allowing Google to control the UI is too great, and that there is a greater potential benefit in continuing to control their own, separately. That’s why they’ve withdrawn from it.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067142)

Well, some see only problems, others seek solutions.

Here is an outfit looking to plug that gap in the market, and good luck to them. If they can do it, so can VM.

https://advanced-television.com/2021...beta-launches/

[EXTRACT]

Must Ltd has announced the launch of beta site Must TV, which it says will “create an elegant solution to the problem of content discovery”.

Must TV highlights the best new TV by aggregating critics’ reviews of shows whilst building a comprehensive library of the content available across all streaming platforms. The site enables users to click straight through to shows, build watchlists and share views on socials.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067142)

Well, some see only problems, others seek solutions.

Here is an outfit looking to plug that gap in the market, and good luck to them. If they can do it, so can VM.

https://advanced-television.com/2021...beta-launches/

[EXTRACT]

Must Ltd has announced the launch of beta site Must TV, which it says will “create an elegant solution to the problem of content discovery”.

Must TV highlights the best new TV by aggregating critics’ reviews of shows whilst building a comprehensive library of the content available across all streaming platforms. The site enables users to click straight through to shows, build watchlists and share views on socials.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067143)

You clearly didn’t understand my post, but had the feeling I told you you were wrong about something and went off desperately looking for something you could use to reassure yourself you were right all along.

No matter how clever Must TV is, it doesn’t hand back control of the user interface to Netflix. Netflix want to control what they promote to their subscribers based on their own algorithms. Aggregating critic reviews is an intriguing idea but entirely besides my point. Unsurprisingly. And also slightly tragi-comic in that it took you almost a month to find what you thought was a smart comeback.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067142)

Well, some see only problems, others seek solutions.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067149)

Not at all, Chris, I sent this because the article has just been published (therefore I could not send it before), and it demonstrated that it was possible to set up a system that links to programmes you select. That is the point I was trying to make.

A discussion, rather than an argument, would be nice.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36067151)

Except that you haven’t engaged in the discussion yourself.

The reason brands dislike third party distributors is it gets in the way of the brand’s direct interaction with the consumer. Often it’s impossible for a brand to do much about it (channels on linear TV for example - they are slaves to whoever runs the EPG). In the case of streamers with strong brands, there is not yet any dominant distribution platform that they simply must be on. Most consumers are accustomed to interacting with each streamer directly, via its app. The streamers like this because it allows them to foster a direct relationship with the consumer, and decide for themselves what to recommend to them.

This is the point I made on 26 December, and which you ignored until today when you hit quote/reply and then pasted in something completely irrelevant to anything I had said.

So, if you want an actual discussion, how about responding to the points I have raised instead of blindly hoping something you found on the internet will do it for you?

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067113)

Perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067152)

Chris, it is not me who is missing the point. Continually on this forum, people try to make a point or observation, and if some disagree, they face a barrage of arguments that are not even relevant to the point that was being made.

Take this as an example. All I was saying was that there is a demand out there for everything to be on one box, so that one could subscribe to a platform (eg Virgin Media or Sky) search for a programme that was available on any app on the system, and to bookmark that programme to watch later, so it is listed with your recordings.

It currently works on the V6 but it won’t work on the 360, and some of you seem to think that Netflix is standing in the way.

I don’t know if you thought I was saying anything other than that - perhaps you thought I was talking about total integration (which I wasn’t). I was clearly talking about searching and bookmarking these apps in the same way as you can on the V6. That is all (although obviously further sophistication would be nice).

The reason I have just linked to the ‘Must TV’ article was to show that this continued to be possible.

I hope that clarifies the position.

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067113)

Perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36067215)

I believe Sky have exclusive rights to it, so not any time soon.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067226)

Only for the first year, it seems. Virgin have stated that they see no reason why Disney+ should not be appearing on our boxes soon.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067226)

Only for the first year, it seems. Virgin have stated that they see no reason why Disney+ should not be appearing on our boxes soon.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36067255)

Newsplayer+ has launched in the UK https://www.newsplayerplus.com/

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36067279)

That is often the overused word on here.

Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36067293)

Strange to be charging for a service that most if not all of the content is available free on TV or via their respective apps and online services.

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067330)

Many services ask for a payment for things that have been on before.

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36067113)

Perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36067293)

Strange to be charging for a service that most if not all of the content is available free on TV or via their respective apps and online services.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067415)

Interesting to see that Amazon’s sports streaming seems to be paying off.

Against the expectations of some, Britbox is also doing well. It’s still not for me, though, but only because I don’t watch archive material. Still waiting for those originals we were promised - Spitting Image is all we have at the moment, I believe.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...britbox-grows/

Amazon’s increased interest in sports rights has been rewarded with a rise in the number of Amazon Prime Video subscribers.

Kantar’s Entertainment on Demand barometer says that during Q4 an additional 1.3 million UK households took out a new video streaming subscription with almost half of these going to Amazon.

Subsequently, Amazon has been added to the Sky Q platform and can be expected to add further subscriptions in the first quarter of the new year.

In addition to increasing overall Prime membership, now at 53% of UK households, Amazon also saw an increase in the proportion of Prime members using Prime Video, rising to 62.6% up from 60.5% the previous quarter.

The combination of Premier League football, international rugby and tennis was the carrot for more than 1 in 4 new subscribers over the quarter. The Boys continues to perform well for Amazon, showing as the number 4 most enjoyed SVOD title during Q4.

16.7 million British households held at least one SVOD subscription by the end of 2020 – 12.9m SVOD subscriptions were taken out in the UK last year.

Another beneficiary has been BritBox, the ITV-BBC streaming service, which overtook Now TV and Apple TV for the first time in Q4 in terms of new subscribers. Content was labelled as a key driver by 33% of the new subscribers with the rebooted Spitting Image a key title.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067428)

Amazon gaining more subscribers as we go into lockdown? Colour me surprised.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36067296)

Most definitely l would say.;)

Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36067751)

Sky had been lagging behind VM in the 'all in one place' offering for some time, but it's really going for it now as promoted here:

https://www.sky.com/shop/tv/sky-q/apps



VM need to make sure they don't fall behind. It's the big ones like Disney+ and Spotify that are the most obvious omissions.

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36067756)

VM used to have Spotify. I was under the impression it disappeared as the original Tivo couldn't cope with advances in the app, not meeting the requirements, and the V6 wasn't around then to my recollection.

I can't get it on my Roku for the same reason, though it's available on newer models.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36067764)

My understanding is that Spotify stopped on all version of TiVo

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ong.../idi-p/1721389

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36067767)

Back in the day i remember a movie service on VM it was vod cost £5p/m if i remember right can't remember the name of it though, it had around 28 movies on each month.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36067767)

Back in the day i remember a movie service on VM it was vod cost £5p/m if i remember right can't remember the name of it though, it had around 28 movies on each month.

Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 36067774)

Picture Box maybe?

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36067764)

My understanding is that Spotify stopped on all version of TiVo

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ong.../idi-p/1721389

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36067859)

Sky UK boosts original content as it takes on streaming rivals

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...reaming-rivals

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36067859)

Sky UK boosts original content as it takes on streaming rivals

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...reaming-rivals

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36067863)

l cannot remember for the life of me who it was that said the day of reckoning was coming for Sky.;)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36067989)

Are Sky still around? Sorry, my bad, mixed them up with Eleven Sports. :D

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068019)

More shockingly Freeview is still around. :D

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36068020)

Can’t believe folk are so brain dead as to still stick their TV on and press a number to access a channel. How quaint. :D

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36067875)

30 original films in one year is quite a number - and one probably borne out of necessity once theatrical exhibition cratered (And I expect a few of those titles to have been once earmarked for theatrical like Blithe Spirit) but it’s probably the right direction to go in - and it wouldn’t surprise me to see them lean on more British product much like Sky Italia do with local language films.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36068026)

From the BroadbandTVNews item ;)

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36068023)

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...e-goes-global/

Netflix Direct, which presents the streamer’s content library in the form of a traditional linear schedule, is to be rolled out internationally.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36068057)

Except that it would not be the same. They are not planning to have a schedule as such, it will simply be targeted content that you can see from the start. This is not inconsistent with what I envisaged after several posters commented over time that there were occasions when they were tired and just wanted to switch on the TV and watch whatever was being served up. My response was that targeted content could be served up on a random basis from similar programmes you have watched in the past, and that this could play until such time as you wanted to select something else.

That seems to be exactly what this is.

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36068044)

Not U.K. related but this sorta seems big..

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301213995.html

WWE Network to shut down in the US and all of its content including live PPVs (any no added cost) will move to Peacock.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36068057)

Except that it would not be the same. They are not planning to have a schedule as such, it will simply be targeted content that you can see from the start. This is not inconsistent with what I envisaged after several posters commented over time that there were occasions when they were tired and just wanted to switch on the TV and watch whatever was being served up. My response was that targeted content could be served up on a random basis from similar programmes you have watched in the past, and that this could play until such time as you wanted to select something else.

That seems to be exactly what this is.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068104)

I've had a look - can't seem to find these "several posters"; can you point their comments out, please?

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36018614)

Hello Old Boy,

My opinion on this remains the same as I've said before and as people choose streaming services over traditional pay tv, many linear channels will close.

However, in many regards, I see tv of tomorrow looking very much as it did thirty years ago with there remaining a core group of linear channels acting as shop windows into their respective streaming services.

Until true intelligent tv comes along (some way off) many people do not want to wade through endless menus or have to "think" about what they want to watch after a long day and a core group of linear channels which are broad in nature, as our main channels used to be, with a varied selection of programming, will dominate I believe. Having wall-to-wall reality crap and celebrity chefs will become a thing of the past as those channels with poor quality content close.

Don't be surprised within five years to find a Netflix One channel, (perhaps a Netflix Kids channel, or Netflix Crime channel etc) which shows the best of what's on offer on Netflix's streaming service. And if people want to break away from the linear schedule and binge watch a certain show, rather than waiting for the next episode to appear in the linear schedule, they've only got to enter the streaming service to do it. Ie Press the red button to binge watch the whole season of a show you're currently watching.

Who runs these linear channels in the future though, I think is very much up for debate and all depends on which streaming services survive over the next ten years or so. I believe Disney and Netflix will survive, not sure on the others yet and I believe ultimately our own UK broadcasters may well collapse.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068097)

Peacock is exceptional value already as it has most premier league matches on plus NBC catalogue and Universal, adding WWE to it too will make it incredible value for money.

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36068217)

Absolutely incredible news for those in USA. Premier league football, NBC content both classic and new and now the WWE network all for 5.99 or 9.99 for no adverts. Superb...

Only thing that worries me is

1) Will the US version of the WWE network bring over everything that is currently on it to peacock? This could impact the flow of new content elsewhere.

2) Will the WWE now be desperately looking for its next biggest market the UK to sell the wwe network rights? Where would it go? BT Sport App? Possibly but why would BT sport spend even more money for the network coverage then their app doesn't have huge numbers? So who would go for the network in the UK? Now TV? Well its owned by comcast but it surely couldnt go there as WWE have just done a deal with BT sports! Amazon Prime? Possibly?

3) Will the classic content still be uploaded? I'm a huge fan of stuff from the 1980s and 1990s and it has become noticeable they've slowed down these uploads. Will it slow to a halt now? Will peacock want new uploads such as 1980s midsouth? Possibly not!
But for now WWE Network is unchanged in other markets (only USA has changed).

I'd just rather have confirmation from the horses mouth that the network will exist as it is currently in the UK for the short term since all their social media accounts keep saying "keep checking our website!!". They really don't do good customer service for anyone outside the US...

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068439)

Plusnet set to lose 7 channels email i got.

Hope you’re enjoying the great entertainment on YouView. We just need to let you know about changes to some of the channels you can access through your channel packs on YouView.
What’s changing?
After 28th February the below channels will be removed from your channel pack(s).
• VICE
• Crime and Investigation
• Sky History
• Sky History 2
• Lifetime
• SyFy*
• E!*
*These channels will be removed after 31st March.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068439)

Plusnet set to lose 7 channels email i got.

Hope you’re enjoying the great entertainment on YouView. We just need to let you know about changes to some of the channels you can access through your channel packs on YouView.
What’s changing?
After 28th February the below channels will be removed from your channel pack(s).
• VICE
• Crime and Investigation
• Sky History
• Sky History 2
• Lifetime
• SyFy*
• E!*
*These channels will be removed after 31st March.

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36068445)

So (apart from Vice) that is the A&E UK portfolio and the remaining NBCU channels.

Curious to see what happens here - the A&E channels are a JV with Sky so wondering if we may see History 2, C&I and Lifetime appear on Now TV?

More interesting will be what happens with Syfy and E! given they are controlled by Sky and if I am correct, their outstanding carriage deals are now done (TalkTalk have dropped their tv packages and on Virgin they are part of the Sky deal) once they are removed from BT... E! feels like a diminished channel (and likely even more once KUWTK is done) and Syfy, though trucking along with some cheap new additions, does not appear to be a destination for premium programming... wondering if a rebrand or closure is imminent for one or both?

Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36068453)

It's certainly not a coincidence that all but one of these channels are in some way controlled by Sky. It's just them trying to force more BT customers over to the NOW TV packages, and I think all the channels will continue on other platforms as they are.

Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36068453)

It's certainly not a coincidence that all but one of these channels are in some way controlled by Sky. It's just them trying to force more BT customers over to the NOW TV packages, and I think all the channels will continue on other platforms as they are.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068461)

I mentioned earlier today i can see plusnet switching to Nowtv for tv afterall they're owned by BT and losing 7 channels like that adds more fuel to that.

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36068470)

Won't happen, I looked into this since I replied to you on another thread, Plusnet TV closed to new customers earlier this month. And once their minimum subscription term is up they won't be able to recontract.

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36068458)

I think that will certainly be the case for the A&E Portfolio (even though it is a JV, they pretty much are autonomous hence seeing Sky History on TVPlayer for example) but once the NBCU duo leave BT and TalkTalk permanently then it does more or less leave Sky and Virgin as the only providers carrying them in the UK which is why I am inclined to think we may some changes in the short to medium term.

In regards to them leaving BT, I don't think it's Sky forcing people over but BT allowing their legacy contracts to expire until the older packages are more or less unsustainable and they can get out of carriage completely (outside of AMC) - if some of those A&E channels were to appear on Now TV, BT would just retail them without needing to manage a bundle proposition themselves.

Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36068506)

In the scheme of things carriage on BT is pretty insignificant and won't factor into NBCUniversal's strategy for the UK versions of E! and SYFY.

They're both carried on the biggest platforms, Sky and Virgin Media. SYFY is also on NOW TV. If they continue to tick over nicely and generate income it's safe to assume that they won't be going anywhere for now. Movies 24 is another NBCUniversal channel removed from BT (on 31st March 2020) and it's still on Sky and Virgin Media.

Sky know what they are doing. BT has given up on trying to compete on TV.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36068492)

I agree with a lot of the comments not really wowing me.

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36068470)

Won't happen, I looked into this since I replied to you on another thread, Plusnet TV closed to new customers earlier this month. And once their minimum subscription term is up they won't be able to recontract.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068568)

Further update Plusnet are letting people cancel tv penalty free, not even wanting the box back either.

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36068569)

Good move, from a PR perspective and because getting the box back won't have much value in it for them.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36068571)

Plus it gives ex tv customers a pretty decent freeview hd pvr box with most of the main apps on too aka iplayer,itv,all4.my5, netflix, nowtv, britbox, amazon video amongst others.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36068575)

The problem with that is the players and streamers will no longer be supported, and so they are likely to fail one by one. How long that process will take, I don't know.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36068575)

The problem with that is the players and streamers will no longer be supported, and so they are likely to fail one by one. How long that process will take, I don't know.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36068851)

You can't see anything in the link you posted OB as the newspaper is behind the paywall.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36068855)

In effect this would be to IPTV what Freeview is to terrestrial, and Freesat is to satellite.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36068849)

A new free streaming service is being considered, which will present catch-up services from BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...eep-us-giants/

[EXTRACT]

British broadcasters are joining forces to develop a single free streaming app they hope will prevent them being overwhelmed by the US tech giants.

The BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 are in talks to build a new service that will aggregate live broadcasts and catch-up programming in one place.

The discussions, hosted by the industry joint venture Freeview, aims to both make it easier for viewers to navigate the proliferation of streaming apps and ensure that British broadcasters have the heft to claim their place on the “homescreen” of smart TVs, in competition with Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney+ and others.

The broadcasters plan to allow viewers to use a single sign-in and to pool audience data to improve programme recommendations. It means that viewers who enjoy a crime drama from the BBC could be recommended one from ITV, for instance.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36068849)

A new free streaming service is being considered, which will present catch-up services from BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...eep-us-giants/

[EXTRACT]

British broadcasters are joining forces to develop a single free streaming app they hope will prevent them being overwhelmed by the US tech giants.

The BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 are in talks to build a new service that will aggregate live broadcasts and catch-up programming in one place.

The discussions, hosted by the industry joint venture Freeview, aims to both make it easier for viewers to navigate the proliferation of streaming apps and ensure that British broadcasters have the heft to claim their place on the “homescreen” of smart TVs, in competition with Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney+ and others.

The broadcasters plan to allow viewers to use a single sign-in and to pool audience data to improve programme recommendations. It means that viewers who enjoy a crime drama from the BBC could be recommended one from ITV, for instance.

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36068916)

wouldnt that just be a free version of britbox?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36068851)

You can't see anything in the link you posted OB as the newspaper is behind the paywall.

Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 36068978)

Dare I say those immortal words... The BBC licence fee.

I wonder how that would work if BBC content is on the same potentially free platform as the other main terrestrial channels???

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36068982)

I thought that. If It's classed as a different service to the iPlayer, people could once again watch BBC content without a TVL.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36068982)

I thought that. If It's classed as a different service to the iPlayer, people could once again watch BBC content without a TVL.

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36069313)

Whilst I have used Netflix in the past I am not currently subscribed. After a call to retentions yesterday I have moved onto the Ultimate Oomph package.

I have just received my new contract and the first thing I notice on the TV section is a green tick against ‘Netflix Access’ .

Does this mean I now have access to Netflix included in my package?

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36069316)

You'll be able to access it from the app, but you'll still need to subscribe to Netflix to get any content.

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36069328)

Strange why Netflix is the only service that is shown in my new ‘bundle’ when Netflix has been in the Apps section for a long time now, why nothing else?