Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Has anyone tried to visit www.webwise.co.uk ???
Seems the site is an educational one for languages http://www.webwise.org.uk/ again for students then there is http://webwise.me.uk/ like this one he is already to stop phorm stealing his products |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
It's not about bothering them - my concern is handing them a golden opportunity to put themselves into the role of victim and us into the role of bullies. They aren't going to worry too much about the extent of any actual damage done if they use it for PR.
There's no harm in customers contacting ISPs but we must be seen to be beyond reproach or we lose. If BT had been up front about what they were doing, these discussions would have taken a very different direction and we don't want to fall into the same trap so we don't need to "pretend" anything. Just ring around for quotes and ask straight-forward questions. There's nothing wrong with that as we are all just considering our choice of ISP like anyone else. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Well I didn't like the replies I was receiving from VM so I decided to vote with my money and took it off to another ISP. IMPO that is the only way to show them move from them to other ISPs that give you assurance they will not use phorm/webwise..
So far any ISP on Entanets network since Entanet are against phorm, Zen who have some LLU in Rochdale and own pipes again against Phorm... When it comes to the line we pay thjem for a service if the service changes and we are unhappy with the change then we move. |
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I don't really see how they could come across as the victim, firstly I can't see the number of calls being that big, secondly we will be asking legitimate questions. What would they say, "we are experiencing delays due a large number of calls about Phorm/Webwise"? This would only raise awareness amongst BT customers about Phorm/Webwise. If we drop the pretence bit and just ask legit questions then, surely thats what the call centre is there for.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
It became questionable as soon as the suggestion was made on a public forum that members of that forum should "pretend". As a suggestion that anyone who speaks to operators should swap note there is no problem.
You have to be very careful about what you post on a forum that we know is being watched and which is a matter of public record. Stick to doing everything in an open, honest way and we keep the high ground. |
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Also I was wondering, why did Roman Gaufman(aka Hackeron) leave 121Media/Phorm?
He was(according to his CV) a key player in a company thats being touted as the future of on-line advertising. From his web footprint, he appears very involved in the FOSS community. Maybe he had a conflict of ethics/opinion with Kent Ertugrul. Why would someone leave a company in such a key role so early on, when surely it could have made them very rich? Could it be that he was made aware of the legality of what he was doing and jumped? Maybe he just wanted to be his own boss. |
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Oh - and of course this does not just inform the call centre front line team... it gets the message to everyone (granted some won't read it and some managers will read it later, maybe in a loo later, when no one sees them taking any interest) |
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Like: How many companies have requested advice... When was the advice requested and what date were answers provided? What advice was given? The answers you get tell a story and help you frame your next more detailed and carefully worded question to get the facts needed. You also have to be careful that you don't ask too many questions or difficult to answer questions otherwise they can decline due to the cost of responding fully (which seems fair enough since I pay taxes!!) |
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Not stupid - it's just my cynical mind that sees possible problems before they arise and like everything else on these forums it's about discussing ideas and refining them.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Has anyone just asked VM if they've conducted any trials or installed any equipment?
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