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Chloé Palmas 02-06-2018 12:22
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35948916)
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44337686

May 'disappointed'?! Well that's going to terrify the Donald. She should cancel his visit and triple tax on golf courses.
It was something that I have asked for ages and ages now - how are two nationalist entities ever going to manage to strike a productive FTA? Neither side is interested in Multi latteralism and all Trump is interested in is renegotiating current agreements for the benefit of the US...so even existing deals get bent in favor of the shape of the US.

So my basic question is, what makes Liam Fox think that he will get any better a deal with, to begin with?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35948944)
Lol.
In all fairness, this dispute will probably blow over in a few weeks, hopefully no more than a storm in a teacup.
Only until Trump decides to renege on it and start seeking even more attention. It'll all be fine and then Trump will basically turn around and say "right, now I am going to reimpose those tariffs unless...." which is why you can't negotiate with a nationalist. No deal will ever be enough, they will just keep coming back for more. Every time. (Look at Sturgeon - just as soon as AS lost the last referendum she started talking about the next one even though they agreed that it was a once in a lifetime issue. They'll just keep coming back for more, every single time).

Hugh 02-06-2018 15:43
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
On that note...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...mpression=true
Quote:
DDonald Trump is ready to use trade talks to force the National Health Service to pay more for its drugs as part of his scheme to "put American patients first”.

Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense.

Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States.

"On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC.

"And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game."

He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."

In the UK, prices are dictated in part by National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) which has been successful in securing discounts for some of the costliest drugs.

Single-payer government-run health services like the NHS are able to use their negotiating muscle to pay far lower prices than their fragmented insurance-based private American counterparts, to the fury of the US president...

...“This effort to change other nations' health policies will be driven by the US Trade Representative Bob Lighthizer when he is negotiating deals to avoid application of US tariffs or, in the case of the UK, a bilateral trade deal post-Brexit,” said Brandon Barford, a partner at Washington-based Beacon Policy Advisors.

“The second goal is that, for the UK in particular, trade negotiations will likely occur in the run-up to the US Presidential election in November 2020.

“The President and his team want to be able to use the NHS and NICE as a foil for his plan that reduces costs for consumers at the point of sale, but without rationing and access restrictions for which the UK system is infamous in the US, particularly amongst conservative media.”
I thought it was all about free-market economics?

Chloé Palmas 02-06-2018 19:50
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Oddly enough this idea has been floating around a while. Which is to use the British taxpayers to recapitalize insurance companies that have been struggling since Obamacare.

The insurance companies (like Aetna) have seen massive losses so the drugs made by drug companies (like Pfeizer) are more and more expensive for US companies to buy for patients. Reimbursement rates / especially on Medicaid are under dispute so US drug companies could do with market capitalization - at the expense of the UK taxpayer.

So, for example, the cost of a drug for Cystic Fibrosis treatment (Ivacaftor combined with lumacaftor) is somewhere in the region of 100K per year and the NHS refuses to pay for it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43849586

Trump will want the NHS to pay for it and undo some of the damage that Obamacare caused the drug and insurance companies.

So in essence, the British taxpayer could re-capitalize the likes of Vertex pharma. The drug is also already unavailable through private insurance in Holland but he will not pressure the Dutch into renegotiating a FTA agreement (EU wide) but he can put pressure on the Brits as we are in the position of weakness / the ones begging here.

I have long long said that as a belief (core) of nationalized socialism Trump would invariably move towards Nazism / UHC / hatred of Israel etc etc. When the failure to repeal Obamacare came about it was no great surprise to me but credit to him, he repealed the individual mandate and his support for Israel has been astonishingly good. (Recognition of Jerusalem as capital etc).

He can take a more traditionally strong nationalistic approach because he found his stooge in May and he is going to take her for all it is worth and the British taxpayer will be on the hook.

1andrew1 02-06-2018 21:24
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas (Post 35949011)
So in essence, the British taxpayer could re-capitalize the likes of Vertex pharma. The drug is also already unavailable through private insurance in Holland but he will not pressure the Dutch into renegotiating a FTA agreement (EU wide) but he can put pressure on the Brits as we are in the position of weakness / the ones begging here.
Hopefully, a Brexiters will reflect upon your wise words.

Hugh 04-06-2018 17:38
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Quote:
Donald J. Trump
@RealDonaldTrump

As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong? In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!

04/6/2018 13:35
His lawyers don’t count as "legal scholars" - the DoJ opinion given to President Nixon in August 1974 stated
Quote:
Presidential or Legislative Pardon of the President

Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself...

...1. Executive Action

1. Pursuant to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, the “Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment,” is vested in the President. This raises the question whether the President can pardon himself. Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, it would seem that the question should be answered in the negative.
https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download

Stephen 04-06-2018 17:43
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Genius strikes again, making things up and not checking actual fasts yet again.

Damien 04-06-2018 17:59
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If he is going to preemptively pardon himself and his allies then he should just do it already and kill the investigation or he should keep quiet and stop mouthing off on Twitter.

Mick 04-06-2018 21:56
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
He is right about one thing - the witch hunt does need killing, it's been a flawed investigation from the beginning, started by bent officials in the FBI. The same bent officials who did a piss poor and shabby job investigating Hillary Clinton illegal use of private email server because they wanted her path cleared to win the Presidency, it's fantastic that never happened even after all that bloody cheating that appears to have been done for her.

Damien 04-06-2018 22:04
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Trump talks about the investigation more than Mueller does. As I said he should either do it or leave it. Fire Mueller, pardon anyone who might be implicated as well as those already indicted and face any consequences or let it finish.

1andrew1 04-06-2018 22:26
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35949248)
Trump talks about the investigation more than Mueller does. As I said he should either do it or leave it. Fire Mueller, pardon anyone who might be implicated as well as those already indicted and face any consequences or let it finish.
Trump would prefer to play the victim card as this appeals to his electorate. He appeals to the "I'm a victim of globalisation" "The mainstream media ignores the white working class male as it's liberal" electorate. Anything which aligns him to a victim-of-outside-forces like his constituents will work to his advantage.

Chloé Palmas 05-06-2018 03:02
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35949248)
Trump talks about the investigation more than Mueller does. As I said he should either do it or leave it. Fire Mueller, pardon anyone who might be implicated as well as those already indicted and face any consequences or let it finish.
That would almost certainly warrant obstruction of charges charges (irregardless of whether he is a target of the investigation or not) so he won't. He has a big ole mouth but when it comes to action that is all he ever is - all mouth.

Even with a GOP majority he would be worried that the House would almost have to file articles of impeachment / or at least let Goodlatte start committee hearings. Even as a retiring congressman (not seeking re-election anyway) he would not try and stonewall that.

In the mean time, Manafort is now is now in even more trouble (witness tampering):

Quote:
Federal prosecutors accused former Trump presidential campaign chairman Paul Manafort of witness tampering late Monday in his tax and lobbying case and asked a federal judge to consider revoking or revising his release pending trial.

In a late Monday filing in Washington, prosecutors accused Manafort and a longtime associate they previously linked to Russian intelligence of repeatedly contacting two members of a public-relations firm since February to secure false testimony about their collective work involving a group of former senior European politicians.

The group, informally called the “Hapsburg group,” was secretly retained in 2012 by Manafort to take positions favorable to Ukraine, for whom Manafort was working, prosecutors charged.

In court documents, including an affidavit by FBI agent Brock W. Domin, prosecutors with Special Counsel Robery S. Mueller III allege Manafort and his associate-- referred to only as Person A - tried to contact the two witnesses by phone and through an encrypted messaging program.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.f774ae443b70

Hugh 05-06-2018 07:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35949247)
He is right about one thing - the witch hunt does need killing, it's been a flawed investigation from the beginning, started by bent officials in the FBI. The same bent officials who did a piss poor and shabby job investigating Hillary Clinton illegal use of private email server because they wanted her path cleared to win the Presidency, it's fantastic that never happened even after all that bloody cheating that appears to have been done for her.
Statement - the President says he is above the law, the President’s lawyers say he is above the law, previous DoJ opinion on a previous President (Nixon) say he is not above the law, Starr office memo says previous President (Clinton) is not above the law. The President’s lawyer hypothesises on live TV that the President could have shot Comey (or anyone else, by implication) and not be prosecuted.

Reply - WHAT ABOUT HILARY!!!!

The ‘flawed’ investigation was started by a Republican Attorney-General appointed by Trump, led by a Special Counsel who is a life-long Republican (and who was appointed as a previous Head of the FBI by a Republican President) and is overseen by a Trump-appointed Deputy Attorney-General - so biased... :rolleyes:

Mick 05-06-2018 08:00
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Miss the obvious as always Hugh. That Special Counsel appoints 13 Democrats donors or Democrat affiliates to assist in their efforts to find Russian collusion from Trump camp, only the Collusion was carried out by their own pathetic party and Hillary with them funding the Dossier, information obtained from Russian sources!!!

1andrew1 05-06-2018 08:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35949274)
Statement - the President says he is above the law, the President’s lawyers say he is above the law, previous DoJ opinion on a previous President (Nixon) say he is not above the law, Starr office memo says previous President (Clinton) is not above the law. The President’s lawyer hypothesises on live TV that the President could have shot Comey (or anyone else, by implication) and not be prosecuted.

Reply - WHAT ABOUT HILARY!!!!

The ‘flawed’ investigation was started by a Republican Attorney-General appointed by Trump, led by a Special Counsel who is a life-long Republican (and who was appointed as a previous Head of the FBI by a Republican President) and is overseen by a Trump-appointed Deputy Attorney-General - so biased... :rolleyes:
Trump speak.
Fake news = News that points out unfavourable aspects of Trump and his presidency.
Biased investigation = An investigation into the potential unlawful activities of Trump's campaign and has successful outcomes even before it is finally completed.

Damien 05-06-2018 08:31
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35949275)
Miss the obvious as always Hugh. That Special Counsel appoints 13 Democrats donors or Democrat affiliates to assist in their efforts to find Russian collusion from Trump camp, only the Collusion was carried out by their own pathetic party and Hillary with them funding the Dossier, information obtained from Russian sources!!!
Mueller himself is a Republican who was appointed by another Republican after the collapse of the FBI investigation heading by another Republican.

Party affiliation in the US is a lot looser than it is here too. Just because someone is a registered Democrat or Republican doesn't mean they're uncontrollably partisan. Most of the country is not like that. The paranoid mindset of Trump and his supporters, a mindset that divides the world into good (Republican) and evil (Democrat), blinds them to that fact.

Nothing sums that up more than the fact whenever he meets any opposition from the institutions that are meant to act as a check against the executive that it's construed as illegitimate and sinister. All opposition to Trump is somehow corrupt it seems, any investigation into his allies should be stopped.

It's the language of tinpot dictators: Lock up the rivals, pardon the allies.


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