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I suppose you could react to the 2nd but not the 1st, as your immune system has seen it before, and hadn't first off (and perhaps the same in reverse).


But if you've already had it twice and didn't react, there's a pretty decent chance the 3rd will be the same. I suppose they just don't want people getting in the car, driving home and fainting or going into shock or something when they're on the road where it's easier for a nurse to do something at a vax centre.


The most annoying thing for me with the 15 min wait is that as it's a healthcare setting you still have to wear a face covering even when the mask mandate has been lifted pretty much anywhere else. When I went for my 2nd which was just after freedom day they were giving out water so I just sat sipping that instead...

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Personally I'd rather be surrounded by medical staff if something actually happened (and 100 yards from the ambulance station), but expecting a third dose of the same vaccine to suddenly behave differently is a bit far fetched. I felt a slight twinge when first lying on it in bed, but it soon passed, and off to sleep I went.

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This is what I warned would have happened here too if we went gung-ho with lockdowns. There’s only so much people will take.

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Worrying report. Fingers crossed this variant is less transmissible:

COVID-19: New B.1.1.529 variant 'worst one we've seen so far', say UK experts

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I would agree but can this include transit passengers flying via a third country "hub"?

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Won't work, people will just take a circuitous route and fly in from somewhere else . . . . . . or get a dinghy in France

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Well, we can’t be thinking it’s over now can we? We need a new variant to ensure previously democratic Western governments can continue to act as tinpot dictatorships and totalitarian states.

Also helps to keep the population scared and compliant. Best course of action is to mandate vaccines that don’t prevent infection or transmission thereby keeping the population on a convenient short leash by keeping them scared.

Take the vaccine! Will it stop me from getting catching it? No! Will it stop me from passing it on? No! So you must still wear masks or you’re a bad person. Will it stop me from getting ill? Yes, but that’s only your personal health, if you care about the wider population you should still support lockdowns. But surely those at risk will have been vaccinated so even if I’m not vaccinated I’m no risk to others? Shut up, we’re keeping this going for as long as possible.

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There's a fortune still to be made out of this, it'll get milked for some time yet
get your 12th jab booked.

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Will it stop me from getting catching it? It will greatly reduce the chances of you catching it.
Will it stop me from passing it on? It will greatly reduce the likelihood of you passing it on.
So you should still still wear masks to reduce the chances of infecting others.

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So no need for masks then? Social distancing and all the rest of the bollocks.

So no need for masks then? Social distancing and all the rest of the bollocks

Oh…….. you missed this bit then, why didn’t you put this bit in your answer?

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So the PLFs need to ask what countries you've been to in the last 10 days.
Which is pretty much what they have done.

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to many muppets not been vaccinated so how do you know who is and who isnt?? or do you just become as selfish as the muppet and not care if you spread it to them if you are unlucky enough to have it ?

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it has N501Y, so suggestion, probably not.


As for whether it will dominate, who knows.



It appears to have come from a severely immunocompromised patient in Botswana, which is why we have a lot of mutations all at the same time.


But SA has a low number of cases, so a new variant will proportionally show more dominant. They have a low vaccination rate but a presumed high proportion of people who have had covid. A new variant is likely to appear dominant in these cases. Whether this will show in an area with a significant Delta outbreak remains to be seen, personally, I'd prefer it was kept where it was...

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They have had plenty of time to get vaccinated and know the risks if you don't.


I'm not going to invoke Godwin's Law and suggest the unvaccinated wear yellow bands on their arms, but, surely by not doing what they should, they are merely putting themselves at higher risk. We should simply leave them to it, knowing they can get a vaccine if they want one. I'm running out of excuses for them.


Those who can't get one for medical reasons, totally understand that.

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Should we ban cars because of idiots that don’t know how to cross the road?

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We do expect car drivers to behave responsibly and not put others at risk.

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Such an idiotic point. But I’ll try and lay it out for you because I know weren’t trying to be a tool for for the sake of it.

If the car drivers ( the vaccinated) do as they should and stay on the road.

Why are they responsible for the idiots ( unvaccinated) that run out in front of them?

The car drivers are following the rules and behaving responsibly by staying on the road.

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So as he said .. No.

So again .. No.

Just like we have done for the last 100+ years to stop the spread of every other potentially fatal virus ? I guess the brainwashing really does work.

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Nod. Let the snowflakes continue with their faith in a rag over their face, whilst we carry on with life.:dunce:

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Much as we alll hanker for a simple life, you can't reduce such risk assessment down to yeses or nos.

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Especially at a population level.

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We’ve got MPs getting murdered and terrorists blowing themselves in hospital car parks yet we don’t bow to extremist or criminal sentiment or their “values”.

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Data coming out of the SA Government briefing seems to indicate otherwise:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFGYrxzX...jpg&name=small

Israel are taking this seriously:

Israeli PM warns of state of emergency due to new coronavirus variant

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I recall, sometime ago, someone saying on TV that if it mutated to a virus that the vaccines didn't work against, it would mean that it is no longer a version of the same type of virus but rather a new virus completely....or something like that.

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Yes, that's what I was saying, the mutation leads to increased transmissibility in other variants, so it's probably going to have similar.


As for that graph, look at what it's actually measuring, it's the percentage of all sequenced cases. So, to reach 100% of 10 sequenced cases means only 10 tests need to show it. If you have more cases you sequence more. Alpha was dominant in a time where most of the world had a high number of covid cases, so would have taken more time to dominate than in SA, which until the last few days was registering around 300-400 cases most days. Reaching 100% of new sequenced cases in that context doesn't require too many samples to show it.


Also look at the wider picture in sub-Saharan Africa where there is a high prevalence of HIV/AIDS, which causes immune system deficiencies - this is where this (and the Beta variant) came from. In SA there is also a low vaccination rate and a high amount who have actually had covid. It is thought this has immune escape but that could be the circumstances there, if for example there is a lot who the vaccine hasn't worked in, and who have recovered from the virus but then their immune system hasn't responded properly in terms of future response. Beta never really took off elsewhere and you would expect it might have if it has the ability to swerve previous immunity from infection or vaccination, why is that?


Obviously it wouldn't be a good idea in practice, but the UK and Europe are experiencing much higher numbers due to Delta than anything in SA (Where ours is stable theirs isn't). If this variant was introduced to that background as opposed to a context where very few have the virus, how will it react there, and which one will be the one infecting people? If this can not only dominate Delta, but can also infect people who have had the virus or been vaccinated, and not just cause milder symptoms like Delta seems to be, then this is going to be a bigger issue. But of course, that impact isn't known yet.

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Inevitable.

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Just needed a nu variant to keep the conspiracy theories and the zero covid lockdown fanatics happy... and here it is folks

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This make no sense. What "conspiracy theory" are you alluding to?

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As opposed to who? People denying reality?

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None in particular. I was referring to those who spread conspiracy theories.


Though actually a fair amount of what has previously been castigated at the time as a conspiracy has turned out to be true. Such as people needing to prove they have been vaccinated to get in somewhere. If someone said that about 15 months ago you would need to show a pass to get into a pub then everyone would laugh and say they were talking nonsense, whilst it isn't yet the case, it's all in place for the Gov to say, yes you need to, and it is in place in other scenarios. Whilst a lot of what they said was bull a fair amount has come true.

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no more idiotic than yours was

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Really....:D:D

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First case of the 'new' variant detected in Europe

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...pe-2021-11-26/

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Some say . . . no, start again but do it with Jeremy Clarksons voice.

Some say, that Covid is never going away, and there is a very good chance it may well get worse.
Who rightly knows?
Well let's take a jump into the future and find out.

. . and there you have it.

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Indeed, if you've been partaking in several large spirits of your choice.

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I suggest you go back and read the actual questions again.
They have nothing to do with "risk assessment" they are pretty simple Yes/No questions :dozey: (and in this case, No).

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At a population level a binary risk assessment on this manner is absolutely meaningless.

Such simplistic analysis unhelpful in a pandemic - the clue is in the name “pan”.

Shortly the mass infection is good idea will be in if/when the nu variant emerges here. Which leaves us dealing with the same old questions all over again. But hey ho, Britain can continue to be exceptional in respect of deaths as it erodes all kinds of immunity.

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Maybe you should also try reading what you are responding to instead of just spouting nonsense about "risk assessment" which is totally irrelevant to the two questions. :dozey:

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Head for the sheep dip and then get back into the barn

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I did indeed read it, and still agree a simplistic binary analysis is inadequate for managing a pandemic. A position I’ve maintained throughout and something I’ve never seen any evidence to the contrary.

My point was intended to address the point it quoted, not the many irrelevant posts that preceded it. That should have been clearer.

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The thing is, they're asking us to look at it in 'binary'.

Am I at risk?
Am I putting others at risk?

The answer 'maybe' isn't the one they - the Gov & experts - want

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But they’re not saying that - they’re saying "here’s how you can reduce the risk to yourself and others by using a number of different approaches, each of which reduces risk, but used together reduce the risk even more".

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Sounds like socialism, mate.

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Wonder how many South Africans travelled over to watch the Rugby at Twickenham last weekend?

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just enough to start the next overreaction

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What a load of crap!

Well, if you want to believe that, fair dos.

Me? I’m laughing, but don’t mind me.

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Yes, don’t just mow them down….:mad:

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Quite right!

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Topic?

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What is your reality, jfman?

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Yes, the same question - do lockdowns really work?

Of course not - they just delay the spread. By the way, the virus is called Omicron’. Do keep up!

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The variant is omicron, the virus is COVID-19.

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What jfman is saying is that we as a country don't give into intimidation, so why should we break that rule and give into the possibility of riots from anti-lockdown protestors?

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Thank you captain pedantic.

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Doesn't it comes down, at the end of the day, to personal attitudes to risk, awareness and responsibility? Other countries seem to have a greater percentage of their population that care about the health & wellbeing of others and we have less. Not as less as some, but we're not great.

You have people who say that they have thrown away their masks so what would they so if they were in a room with potentially vulnerable people? A Doctor's waiting room for example. I do not understand how people demand not to wear a mask when, wearing one, can literally save someone life. It is such a pathetically easy thing to do to put one on when you enter a closed space.

How can you get so angry about the possibility of not killing someone?

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You’re welcome, Private Parts.

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Wow, what about that name eh,eh,eh . . .

Omicron . . ommmmeeeeecrooooonnnn . . rolls off the tongue really well that one, much better than that short sharp Delta. Could even be the name of some Scandinavian heavy metal rock group, they go for names like that too, makes em sound sort of mysteriously dangerous.. . . especially when the drummer lets rip.

Good name I reckon, has plenty of potential, even the experts are saying potential . . along with 'might, if, could, maybe, possible' . . well you know the score by now, endless possibilites for it to evolve into the need for much bigger needles.. . and more often.

Lock Downs I hear you ask? Well perhaps after Christmas, at this present moment we don't want to be stopping people from spending money, the shareholders won't stand for it.. . and the Government are skint enough already.

Face masks are a definite though, and the new ones are brilliant bits of kit. They incorporate goggles to protect the eyes, and a straw that fits into a mouthpiece so you can drink tea, coffee, beer, wine etc in cafes, pubs and nightclubs and still be safe with the mask on, fantastic eh. Makes you look like a big bluebottle but who cares when you're out partying eh, eh.

Holidays is your next question I bet . . yep, thought it would be. No need to worry, the Government have done some super deals with Homebase, Screwfix and Wickes to provide 'do it yourself' holiday weekends. Dead easy to set up in a bedroom, dining room, or garage, in fact anywhere the hot tub will fit nicely. Then some yellow paint on the walls, blue paint on the ceiling, couple of sun loungers and a big sunlamp in the corner . . bobs yer dads brother so to speak.

Oh well, any more questions just ring my agent, I've blagged a place in one of them top secret Government bunkers . . c ya.

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The names just makes me think of Futurama

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Omicrom = Oo. I didn't realise WHO jumped to the 15th letter of the Greek alphabet skipping Nu and Xi .....https://www.news18.com/news/world/wh...a-4492670.html


Add/ the article keeps being updated so forgive me if my quote is altered before you get to read the whole report.

* Xi County or Xixian is a county in the southwest of Shanxi province, China.

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Thank you for correcting me, o wise one.

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I think it is appropriate to read the mood of the people. They are not, in the main, prepared to tolerate another lockdown, and now with the vaccination programme having been completely rolled out for elderly and vulnerable people, there is no need for it.

This is the very reason the scientists were advising the government not to put a lockdown in place too early when the virus first came to this country. People get fed up with restrictions on their freedoms and there is a limit beyond which people will not go.

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I think it comes down to whether you believe the hype, and there’s plenty of that about.

I welcome the new freedom not to wear a mask in shops. I am certainly fed up with my spectacles steaming up with the mask on and I dislike the reduction in the air flow that results from mask wearing as well.

I only wear a mask these days if required to do so (in chemists, doctor surgeries and hospitals) and where requested to do so with all the staff wearing masks as well.

As for social distancing, I think that is of limited value as well. You must have seen the diagram on TV showing how someone with the virus who coughs or sneezes spreading the virus way beyond existing guidelines for social distancing and across the aisles in a supermarket.

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Covid: New Omicron variant not a disaster, says Sage scientist

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59442141

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The most important thing right now is that people don't knee jerk.


Keep on with what we are doing. This variant hasn't (as far as we know) hit the UK but they all have, some have taken off, some like Beta haven't. If you have covid symptoms isolate and get a test.


Pretty much all the infections so far have been linked with travel to Africa, the vast majority southern Africa. The flight from SA to NL with people testing positive will be isolated and NL is in lockdown anyway, which will help.


We don't know much yet about whether the variant is more transmissible than Delta, to what extent it is or not, and to what extent it may be able to evade immunity. We don't know if it is going to take off in an environment with a high amount of infection with another variant. This will likely be tested with the EU countries who have already seen it.


At the moment a lot of SAGE advisors including Whitty himself are saying it's not something to get worried about yet. If it does take off it will probably affect unvaccinated people more easily so that is probably the important thing.



Moderna and Pfizer have said it would be only a few weeks if they needed to produce a new version of the jab to use, so that will be covered if it's the only way out.

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They did, but you’ve over simplified what they said and failed
To quote fully what they said. After that point they have to test it which is at least a further 3-6 months, it also has to be manufactured, shipped and then get stuck into the arms of those that want it.

So, as they stated it would take 1-2 weeks to decide if modifying the existing vaccines, plus the development & testing time you’re potentially looking at April-may next year to start getting a new jab into peoples arms.

Now…. IF and if it’s a big IF the new variant is more transmissible and can escape vaccines we will not quite be back at square one bit we will have hit a considerable snag in our progress

Whilst I don’t believe we will need a full lockdown, I do believe that we will see some form of restrictions being reintroduced such as masks, social distancing & wfh

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Anything and everything is pure speculation until we know how it spreads, if it evades vaccines and how deadly is it

It could spread faster than Delta and get past vaccine and still not make you as sick as delta could. Of course there is a possibility it is even deadlier than Delta spreads like wildfire and the vaccines do nothing. This of course is the same with any new strain or mutation. One thing is for sure none of us in our lifetime have ever seen anything like Sars Cov 2.

We will know just in time for Christmas so lets hope it is a present we do not mind having

Oh and the panic in South Africa to get back here without having to isolate in hotels is just enough to bring it here and embed it in our society. They should have just blocked entry without isolation straight away

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Indeed, however if the past twenty odd months have taught us anything, it should be we should try to do our best to get ahead of this in anyway possible.

Mask wearing (for most people) & social distancing are simple things that can be reintroduced at speed to help.

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I agree totally and have not stopped doing any of that anyway . I still keep my distance and still wear a mask. I saw my daughter yesterday but insisted she take a LFT before she come round

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Masks don't stop people passing on and getting covid though. It slows down at best.

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and that is better than nothing though isn't it

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So is wearing a 2 metre radius plastic bubble around your whole body 24/7 but no-one's suggesting that.


Most transmission occurs in workplaces, schools, and households anyway which weren't on the mask mandates initially.

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And depending on the study of the new variant that’s exactly what we may need to do again. The governments of the world are spooked by this new variant, we would be wise to act as proactively as possible.

If the new variant is nothing to worry about it then people have had to wear masks (a mild irritant to most) and stand 6ft apart for a few weeks, not exactly a hardship.

If it is something to worry about on the other hand then we’ve already introduced some sensible precautions which do not come with the same destructiveness as a full lockdown.

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Brakes don’t always stop you hitting the car in front of you, they sometimes just slow you down so you don’t hit it as hard.

Most of us still use brakes, though…

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Wasn’t he in Transformers?

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The most sensible thing to do is something which actually works and doesn't impact on people, and to not do it until it's actually needed.


So we already know that the virus spreads mostly in busy indoor places with poor ventilation. There are 2 ways you can solve that possibly - improve ventilation or make them less busy by introducing number restrictions.


The original 2m idea was based on the idea of keeping apart, the figure itself wasn't based on any real science, just reasonable separation which was easy to visualise. It was 6ft in the US, and 1m / 1.5m in some countries.



As for masks, well, you only need to look at people who have continued to wear them whenever they are indoors and out of their house and have still caught covid. And this includes people who should know how to use them properly. You can't wear them with glasses without the lenses steaming up, which is dangerous in itself, as you either need to not wear the mask, not wear your glasses (which may not be possible depending on how bad your sight is) or walk around with steamed up lenses. The disposable paper ones just add extra to landfill (they can't go in as paper as they have non-recyclable plastic on them) and don't really work too well nor do the cloth masks. If they were going for masks which actually do work then the N95/surgical masks would be better but even then Germany is experiencing a spike in virus despite these masks being needed in other areas.


The obvious thing they could actually do which will probably work is to advise people that they need to work from home if they can. This stops needless interactions in the office where you don't need to be with those people to work. Any job which needs you to be in a workplace can continue.

The trouble if you start to introduce any more measures is that it impacts on trade. Enforcing distancing and masks would mean that the hospitality industry would have to suffer again which means there would have to be job losses or we'd have to pay for furlough again which we can't afford.



Even Chris Whitty said the other day that he doesn't think people would support another lockdown. We've already seen in previous restrictions where people are having parties in parks and in houses because they can't do it in pubs.

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How did we jump from Delta to Omicron ?
Pretty sure there are a few letters in between.

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Transformers, covid in disguise :)

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You’re basing what we should do against a new variant with knowledge based on an old variant. There are significant changes between the two.

The WHO has specified what they advise the social distancing size should be,
It’s up to countries to heed that advice.

To your point on the economy, there may be a degree of difficulty to businesses but nowhere near the level should another lockdown be needed

It’s a finely tuned balancing act and I’m glad I can just discuss hypothetically rather than having to actually make the decision. but with the amount of mutations in the new variant which we don’t yet understand acting cautiously would be in our best interests.

The British would probably grudgingly accept another lockdown, there would be protests of course. But I don’t believe a mass uprising of the populace is on the cards. Let’s hope we don’t get to find out.

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There were but they are variants of interest, not concern.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1638022076

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They've used them all except Nu and Xi, but they didn't make the news much. Lambda was pretty big in South America, but Delta has remained dominant in most of the world.

I wonder if anybody cared about Iota?

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Two cases of Omicron Covid in UK: Super-mutant variant is found in Chelmsford and Nottingham - now PM will hold press conference this afternoon as four more countries are added to banned list


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tected-UK.html

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£37bn Excel spreadsheet to the rescue.

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At first glance I saw that as '£37bn Exocet'

strange how the mind works eh :D

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Mutant Ninja Turtles :D


We're doomed I tell ya, all doomed, :rolleyes:

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Quote from my local paper. It's a live blog so I am posting the latest post. Report of PMs expected update should be included at 5pm.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...=breaking-news

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The Torygraph seems to have been selective in it’s quoting…

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...n-b968563.html

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Nice, I see what you did there :)

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Super mutant. FFS

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The irony is that if people did, widely, mitigate risk via mask wearing, etc. there could be no new lockdown if this variant is worse than Delta. By not mitigating the risks now, lockdown is more likely in that scenario.

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Restrictions ( above travel ones already implemented) only need be considered if this variant causes a more severe reaction requiring hospitalisation or more deaths.

At the moment, there is no evidence on the reduction of vaccine efficacy, especially for this that have had the 3rd dose.

I know the media are wishing for something akin to the bubonic plague.

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I wouldn’t. Also protesting about it is illegal. The government sorted that out long ago.

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There is little evidence for anything yet in regards to this new variant - and there are ultimately going to be more and more detections of it, but this is because they are looking for it, this is why they have told everyone who has come back from the affected areas and anyone who is coming back from them to isolate and book a PCR test.



At the moment all detections are people who have been to Africa, mainly southern Africa, and people who have recently returned from there. We will probably also see a bit of transmission in their close contacts especially households and they should be isolating and tested too. I would also probably suggest that anyone who has been outside the UK in the last week should also take a LFT daily if they're going to go anywhere and avoid non-essential journeys especially those to crowded spaces.


That should be enough to slow it down for now.


There's also been some conversation out of SA which suggests it is milder, though I suppose it's early days on this as we won't know even there until it's a couple of weeks in as hospital admissions tend to lag getting the virus by a week or so.


But they shouldn't really be looking to impose anything more on the general population until we know that it is causing an issue with vaccinated people. If it's starting to significantly infect double or triple jabbed people to the extent that they will be in hospital with the virus, then they will need to try and slow that down in the community.

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Speculative optimism in the absence of evidence. Helpful.

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Didn’t want to upset the Chinese - the modus operandi of the WHO. As I said previously in the topic second only to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in terms of harming human health in the pandemic.

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By which time it will be too late - shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted…

The hospitalised patients will have spread it to others before they are admitted.

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Nearly two years ago the detections were from people who had travelled to China, your statement holds no merit.

You’re playing the reactive card, that might have held some sway two years ago when we knew nothing about the virus. But now ?

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Of course you wouldn’t. But then, I wouldn’t expect anything less

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The person with it in Belgium had never been to Africa, and knew no-one who had.

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So much for a super mutant variant. One would expect different figures from SA cosidering their low rate of vaccination.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1638033322

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/south-africa

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1638033685

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1638033685

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Indeed, if countries are testing enough. Or, not fudging the results (looking at Turkey & India)

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Face masks for shops but not pubs. Hilarious.

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You need the one with the built in straw. Paper of course.

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Just because it was first detected in SA, doesn’t mean it started there.

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You don’t, that’s the funny bit.

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Good point, where should we look? Madagascar looks suspicious, just loitering there.

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Trying to catch a snap of peppa perhaps ?

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Who's willing to bet it's not going to be 3 weeks. And before then, they will probably put more restrictions on.


Working from home is still the most useful and they missed the point on it again.


Also, he couldn't have been less clear on the masks point. It's not in effect yet and no mention of exactly what he meant - he said he's leaving that to Javid. Presumably as it's not law at the moment they need to get it through Parliament too...