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Well, yes it always was about Boris. He never was a Brexiteer, took ages to make his mind up which side he was, and wrote a pro Remain article for the Times, then came out for Leave the next day !

Anything to be PM, anything to win the next election. Brexit was just a vehicle. Looks like he's leaving NI in the Customs Union, the DUP will be pleased. He's as 'faithful' in public as he is in private. Got to admire the old scrote, in the same way you admire Dick Turpin...

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I’d be amazed if that was the case, as the DUP would not vote for it, and without them it is extremely unlikely it would get through.

He may be many things, but stupid isn’t one of them and politically savvy is. So I would expect he has possibly found a way to not do that.

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He’s not stupid and is politically savvy? Not sure I’d agree with those. A liar and an opportunist, who perhaps doesn’t believe in anything, yes.

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Your prerogative, but it’s a foolish person that underestimates him, in my opinion. You don’t get to be Mayor of London and Prime Minister by luck, opportunism and lies


That is just typical emotive rhetoric to try and negate the obvious facts that he is a well educated, experienced, political force.

Much in the same way all those that voted Brexit were racist and thick

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But you can become a US president that way..;)

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:D maybe he shouldn't have dropped his dual citizenship, he'd be a shoe in for President!

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Hated Topics, always the last left in the selection box.

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I agree, Pierre. People under-rated Churchill until he took on the Nazis and won the war for us.

Just to be clear, I am not equating the EU to Hitler. What I am saying is that sometimes a nation becomes completely demoralised and despondent and it is the Boris-type characters that can shake us of out of it.

This is why the Left is so afraid of him, they know he knows what to do, which is not what they want at all.

Getting this deal will ensure that all the Left wing rhetoric will be shown for what it is.

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Yes, Mr K, but we all know how perverse you actually are!

I'm a Mars bar fan myself, but I would certainly never knock a nice Topic (Marathon to us oldies!).

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Marathon bars are now called Snickers - Topic bars have been around since the Sixties.

Boris is not, and never will be, a Churchill - you demean the memory of a great man by equating him with a proven liar, adulterer, and philanderer.

btw, not to undervalue Churchill and Britain’s contribution to the Allied War effort, but he did not "win the war for us" - Britain won the war as part of an Alliance of nations, and Russia had a major part in taking on the Nazis, bogging them down on the Eastern Front, draining men and materiel from the Western Front.

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Whoops! Yes, you are right about the Snickers! I like them too, by the way!

I do acknowledge your pulling me up on the Churchill comparison, but you know, I have heard quite a few people making exactly the same comparison. Churchill was not regarded as a safe pair of hands until, faced with Hitler's aggression, he was the only person who seemed to know what to do.

Say what you like about Boris, who of course is a much younger man than Churchill was when he took on Hitler, but at least he knows how to take Brexit by the horns, and I have absolutely no doubt that he will deliver Brexit. Who else could succeed against all the odds?

As for adultery and the like, I would like to point out, without accusing anyone of anything, that people were aloud to get away with far much more in those days than they can now. Politicians are put under the spotlight now like anything before - we have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Your other point about how the war was won I don't disagree with, but surely even you would acknowledge that the person who led the charge was Churchill. The US only became involved after Pearl Harbour, and Russia after the Nazis invaded. It was Churchill who started the resistance.

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No nothing like him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767

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Churchill won the war with the great help of others but lost the peace.

https://www.pbsamerica.co.uk/series/...ing-the-peace/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwa...ction_01.shtml

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Yes, good find, papa. He was a great man, but by no means whiter than white. Who is?

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You are talking about winning. That was not the point I made. I said that Churchill led the charge. He was absolutely alone until the US joined us. Nobody doubts that it would have been difficult to win the war had circumstances turned out differently.

I don't understand the point you made about failing to win the peace. His legacy secured peace in Europe although the EU may wish to spin it differently to take the credit!

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And America made us pay a heavy price for it. The end of Empire and our place as a superpower. A financial system pegged to the dollar.

Yet, they're the ones we are pinning our hopes on!

Anyway I'll leave the Brexiteers to their World War 2 nostalgia for the evening...