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You concern yourself too much with the poster and not the topic ;)

Anyway, I think the general consensus is that the punishments were hard because of the riots. but not hard enough for general crime commited before, during and after the riots.

Dave is embarrassed and is now not wanting to hug a hoody but to punish a hoody.

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Yes l know but l do not want you to get the impression that l agree with what The Daily Mail headline writers say because most times l do not agree with them and by the way you would do quite well as a headline writer:D:)

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But surely part of the discussion is the poster's view on the topic, and how they discuss the topic?

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apologies for posting an off topic pic but I just got this email, nothing we don't know already.

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Fake.

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brilliant. he's getting a reply not to send me anymore emails.

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Ken Clarke says riots 'legacy of broken penal system'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14797602

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Heard Ken this morning being interviewd on TV. His contention seems to be that many of those arrested during and after the riots were not new to the legal system and therefore that the system is failing them. That may be true in whole or in part for some, even many of these people, but could another explanation for their repeat offending be that the sort of treatment and sentences they've hitherto become accustomed to have been just too lenient e.g. warnings, token fines, suspended sentences etc. etc.

It's clear to me that more needs to be done to help rehabilitate offenders to reduce reoffending but I also believe less people would get drawn into this sort of crime in the first place if they knew there'd be no kid gloves and slaps on the wrist but that the courts would come down on them like a ton of bricks.

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l agree.:clap:

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Kind of knocks the whole "Most of the rioters were simply caught up in the moment" argument on its head.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ures-show.html

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Not really, the police will be more effective at tracking down people who they already know.

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Thought that myself would say only 2% been caught and brought court likely those who were fingered was going to be likely known as there mugshots would be already in the system.

For the goverment to churn this constant misleading claptrap is they dieing to use any excuse its not there policies. If they ignore the underlining reasons then there massive fear it could happen again but on more national basis.

Polititions or should we say these crooks should wake up smell the stuff they sit in when in parliment. Start bring policies which will make difference and be the truly we in it all together.

50% paycut to all MP's absolute tight controls on there spending ban there free alcohol bars if they want a drink they should not on duty pay for it. They get paid far too much.

Tighten up the loopholes to stop these tax fiddlings I mean these caymen isles etc other shocking practices.

We need a proper fair way to tackle this not praying on soft easy targets like they currently doing.

We need proper strategy to get proper jobs not temps, part time and quality jobs.

We need initiatives such to fill skills shortage by that education is free to british nationals in courses which boost skills in that field. To train people who educated and have aptitude for a career in that field. So possible test to see who would qualify for the free education slots with no bias.

This would pave way for our future skills shortage issues for many years to come. If its monitored so we dont over subscribe it would be useful method to get britain on its feet.

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A lot of the people that rioted etc are almost certainly unemployable(especially with a criminal record) in the first place and are totally unwilling and unable to learn basic skills(eg spelling or at least using an inbuilt spell checker:rolleyes:). What jobs would they be capable and willing to do?

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Ermm. Ok... Most rioters unwilling to use spell-check software.

One has to ask how on earth you come up with this rubbish and how the hell you expect people to take you seriously?

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danielf, I think he was answering the points raised above about educating the rioters in the hope that they (if more educated) would find more gainful employment. I think he was making the point that they lacked the basic skills required for many jobs, and were likely to be unwilling to acquire them.