Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

well..., a 10 second mention (07.42 mins into it)and a pan of the poll (when it was 21 'im quite happys), but enough for the viewer to just about work out were it came from anyway.

the click! researchers should come in here and ask far more questions on our views and many subjects ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ne/4137816.stm
click the 'watch now' link to start the java code that opens the player window.

i cant be bothered to find the real link to the direct stream so you can play it in any stand alone OS app....

;)
i did it anyway
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/media_acl/mps/fix/news/uk/video/159000/bb/159204_16x9_bb.wmv works for me in VLC and MPC

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This week's should be available from the page below from next Friday...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/default.stm

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

...And now BT are having a rethink, too...

According to Adam Liversage, the hapless BT employee who has been tasked with answering questions on the Phorm system from the lucky trialists over on the BT network;

"...BT can also confirm that in parallel with the trial, we are already developing an opt-out solution that would remove the need for opt-out cookies altogether."

The full thread is over at http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...t=165&tstart=0

So first TalkTalk listen to their customers, now BT appear to be doing the same...so the big question everyone here wants answered is: What are you going to do, Virgin Media?


Then again, maybe BT have done us all a favour and sunk Phorm before it can even get off the ground...at 10pm last night, the same BT spokesman posted the following:

"SYSIP.NET ISSUE - UPDATE

BT can confirm that we conducted a very small scale technical test of a prototype advertising platform on one exchange in June 2007. The test was specifically conducted to evaluate the functional and technical performance of the platform. Absolutely no personally identifiable information was processed, stored or disclosed during this trial. As with all Service Providers, it is important for BT to ensure that, before any potential new technologies are employed, they are robust and fit for purpose."

Oh boy, now the crap is really going to hit the fan!!! Not least because BT have repeatedly denied having anything to do with the mysterious sysip.net server last year. Now it turns out they were running a secret trial using customers' data without informing them....I can't wait until The Register reads that one! :erm:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Looks like the BT trials have begun: http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=14293#14293

Opps, looks like I need to send BT my refusal of interception notice for my website ASAP.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Is that available to download and view iPlayer perhaps?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Mick, use that direct mms i posted inside VLC and save it off that way

---------- Post added at 17:44 ---------- Previous post was at 17:11 ----------

its also on http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=click if you just want to play it that way.

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for your administered web site(s), you dont need to send BT VM or anyone else a notice, just put it on all your web pages.

if any Phorm opted-in trialists were to visit your website(s) and your web data was processed by the profiler(s) then your notice in there covers it, and they may be in serious trouble.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That's a passive way of doing it, and I will be doing that. But maybe a better way would be to send them a registered letter, give notice under RIPA and then request that they furnish me with the details of how they intend to comply with my notice. That way I've got it in writing from them.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Out of interest. On what type of webpages do phorm inject their ads into?

I mean, if I use google to search for Car Insurance, will half the ads I would normally see be replaced with their injected ads? or if I am visiting a forum that is paid by ads, for example overclocking cpu's, would they inject their ads there and replace the normal ads i would see? or if I have ads on my own website, do they replace those? various news portals that have ads on? or myspace/facebook *shrug*

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh dear!

http://www.nebuad.com/company/press_...s_01_22_08.php

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think the poo will hit the fan now.

This is the trial and test that BT's own tech support classed as an adware infection, They later denied they ever did it. It was a test of what was to become the Phorm Spyware system

---------- Post added at 21:46 ---------- Previous post was at 21:29 ----------

Just found this on Skyuser Forum

http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/polls...tml#post135285

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

true, passive for most people will be the main easy option,you can be sure there are a few people getting ready to track the trackers and then take them to the cleaners :monkey: ;)

however, if you can get the ISPs to infact write you in response, then that too could be a very good stick to use later.

i suspect their first thought would be to put you into a blacklist file of some sort, but that too perhaps opens many legal doors you can then use against them.

how do they deal with an opted-in user wanting to visit an on notice website.

and thats ignoring the fact they cant really know if the sites got a no profiling notice until they have potentially unlawfully parsed the site and processed it in some way, its all starting to sound real expensive if not impossible.

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i liked this bit best.
"we’ll only implement a solution when we can use customer data in a responsible way which safeguards privacy"

they or indeed anyone never mentions anything about paying the users a licence fee for legal use of their data.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They have GOT to be joking!

Have you read their "privacy" policy? http://www.nebuad.com/privacy/uk_servicesPrivacy.php

:LOL:
There are so many holes, obvious security concerns and legal grey areas in there that even I would be willing to stand up in court and present a case against them.

These people actually make the Phorm guys seem competent, and that takes some doing!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Only the pages that contain OIX advert panels

Only if half the ad panels on that page are being rented by Phorm/OIX

No.

Not unless you sell advertising space to Phorm



For the record, I'm 100% against this system, but we need to get our facts straight if we're going to avoid being labelled as a "paranoid minority".

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So true. Thanks for the answer. ATM my ISP is not signed up with these guys, and hopefully they never will. I'm an ex-ntl/VM customer, always interesting to keep up with the gossip ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I envy you - I moved to NTL just before they became Virgin because ADSL to my address was awful (fastest I could get was 1Mb, and I lost the connection completely every time it rained) due to very poor quality copper running to the house - BT admitted as much, and said it wasn't worth their while replacing it. :(