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TheNorm 13-09-2007 11:18
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34395260)
It means even though they could be found innocent, they will still be guilty by a good number of people. ...
That sounds like "trial by tabloid". :erm:

slug 13-09-2007 11:23
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34395237)
You missed this bit out.......:dozey:
"We stress that Gerry and Kate have not asked for these costs to be paid."

Full Statement

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Gerry admitted he was frustrated the couple had not yet been able to use the fund to pay legal bills.

He said: “It seems like a disaster that we’ve got this huge donated fund and now we’re not allowed to use it for legal costs because we’re under suspicion."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ear-our-names/

Yes I know its from The Daily Star!

Mr_love_monkey 13-09-2007 11:30
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34395264)
That sounds like "trial by tabloid". :erm:
No, I think it's human nature.
Mud sticks - if someone is accused of a crime and is found innocent, people will still look and think 'well, they could have done it...' - how many men are still viewed as a 'rapist' by people after they have been fully cleared - like I say, mud sticks.

slug 13-09-2007 11:36
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34395264)
That sounds like "trial by tabloid". :erm:
The British press are being very gentle towards the McCanns, you should read the Portuguese newspapers!

TheNorm 13-09-2007 11:39
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34395269)
No, I think it's human nature.
Mud sticks - if someone is accused of a crime and is found innocent, people will still look and think 'well, they could have done it...' ....
In this case there is a good possibility that no charges will be brought and the case never heard in court. Therefore the "mud" will have been made entirely by the tabloids from snippets of fact, a great deal of speculation, and a pinch of fiction.

There is a real danger that the McCann family (all four of them) will be condemned by the public by this tabloid-created gossip, which is absolutely appalling. In my humble opinion.

Hugh 13-09-2007 11:42
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by slug (Post 34395265)
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ear-our-names/

Yes I know its from The Daily Star!
Was it next to the story about Flintoff going to Hollywood to star in the next Flintstones movie? ;)

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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34395273)
In this case there is a good possibility that no charges will be brought and the case never heard in court. Therefore the "mud" will have been made entirely by the tabloids from snippets of fact, a great deal of speculation, and a pinch of fiction.

There is a real danger that the McCann family (all four of them) will be condemned by the public by this tabloid-created gossip, which is absolutely appalling. In my humble opinion.
I have to agree - I really hate this "if there is smoke, there must be fire" mentality; especially when the media are not only blowing on the tinder, they are supplying the tinder.

slug 13-09-2007 11:42
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34395273)
In this case there is a good possibility that no charges will be brought and the case never heard in court. Therefore the "mud" will have been made entirely by the tabloids from snippets of fact, a great deal of speculation, and a pinch of fiction.

There is a real danger that the McCann family (all four of them) will be condemned by the public by this tabloid-created gossip, which is absolutely appalling. In my humble opinion.
I think this is hardly all tabloid-created gossip. The PJs believe they have a case.

TheDaddy 13-09-2007 13:59
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34395255)
The only result that would allow the Parents to live a normal life from now on, is that if Maddy is found alive. The ideal situation would be Gerry and Katie is found guity by the porto police, then she is found.
The ideal situation would be for her parents to be found guilty of her murder then she is found alive? How is that ideal unless you want the Portuguese police to be shown as even more bungling, as if thats possible

slug 13-09-2007 14:09
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34395345)
The ideal situation would be for her parents to be found guilty of her murder then she is found alive? How is that ideal unless you want the Portuguese police to be shown as even more bungling as if thats possible
I am not sure the PJs have been bungling, They do things in a different way than we are use to. They have presented a 4,000-page dossier of evidence against the couple to Algarve-based public prosecutor.

Hom3r 13-09-2007 14:13
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A few years back somebody I know was in portugal, he said that parents often left kids alone while they went out.

Also him and his bother-in-law (who owns a nightclub in portugal) where mugged one night, they went to the police, who basically didn't give a dam, He used his contacts and found out who done them over, and sorted them out himself.

Saaf_laandon_mo 13-09-2007 14:18
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34395354)
A few years back somebody I know was in portugal, he said that parents often left kids alone while they went out.

Also him and his bother-in-law (who owns a nightclub in portugal) where mugged one night, they went to the police, who basically didn't give a dam, He used his contacts and found out who done them over, and sorted them out himself.
I actually think its illegal for kids to be left alone in Portugal. That doesn't stop irresponsible parents doing it, like some parents do all over the world, including the UK.

As for the mugging, have you tried reporting a mugging in London. Or a house robbery. I think the most you get from the police is a crime reference number.

Paul 13-09-2007 14:19
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
TBH, I haven't really followed this too much, but the impression I get is a phrase involving straws, clutching and police .......

TheDaddy 13-09-2007 14:22
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by slug (Post 34395350)
I am not sure the PJs have been bungling, They do things in a different way than we are use to. They have presented a 4,000-page dossier of evidence against the couple to Algarve-based public prosecutor.
They have bungled it from day 1, their sluggish (to say the least) response to the report of her disappearance would have made it easy for her abductor to evade detection, they needed British police to point the finger at the parents and then bungled collecting the DNA, they have constantly leaked information to the press etc etc etc

Whilst I am pretty open minded about their guilt of innocence what I am certain of is that this investigation has been a bungled operation from start to finish, as for those 4000 pages, big deal didn't the Iraqi's present over half a million pages before the war, didn't change much then did it?

slug 13-09-2007 14:37
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 34395358)
TBH, I haven't really followed this too much, but the impression I get is a phrase involving straws, clutching and police .......
I have followed this case very closely and the impression I get is a phrase involving as sin, guilty and parents.... ;)

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34395362)
They have bungled it from day 1, their sluggish (to say the least) response to the report of her disappearance would have made it easy for her abductor to evade detection, they needed British police to point the finger at the parents and then bungled collecting the DNA, they have constantly leaked information to the press etc etc etc

Whilst I am pretty open minded about their guilt of innocence what I am certain of is that this investigation has been a bungled operation from start to finish, as for those 4000 pages, big deal didn't the Iraqi's present over half a million pages before the war, didn't change much then did it?
We dont really know what the PJs have been up to because of the secrecy laws, they may have been on to the McCanns from minute one and just building up the case against them.

TheDaddy 13-09-2007 14:54
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by slug (Post 34395366)
We dont really know what the PJs have been up to because of the secrecy laws, they may have been on to the McCanns from minute one and just building up the case against them.
The secrecy laws mean nothing when they are constantly drip feeding the Portuguese press information, who of course are then free to publish with any slant or angle they want


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