Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I would show Simon's 80/20 role (only) within the 'Simon Davies' box, and have PI as the 'external' relationship. I.e. the diagram should reflect the fact that the PIA was done in his 80/20 role, but he also happens to have the 'PI' relationship.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So what do you think? Remove all references to PI from the diagram?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually, and although I can't give any details of this away, he has not made any financial gain from the Phorm PIA, if you knew what the money was actually be used for you might not be so quick to criticise.

Anyway I don't want this to deteriorate into a Simon Davies bashing party *again* (as it has on a number of occassions), I merely felt the diagram should be factually accurate.

It should also be noted that Simon Davies does not have a contract with Phorm, 80/20 Thinking does, the diagram currently indicates that the contract is directly with Simon.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

>I would show Simon's 80/20 role (only) within the 'Simon Davies' box, and have PI as the 'external' relationship. I.e. the diagram should reflect the fact that the PIA was done in his 80/20 role, but he also happens to have the 'PI' relationship.

If I show Simon Davies as having the attribute (within his box) as 80/20 director, but no 80/20 Company box, but a Company box for PI, that would seem to bring even more undue attention to PI. Don't you think?

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>It should also be noted that Simon Davies does not have a contract with Phorm, 80/20 Thinking does, the diagram currently indicates that the contract is directly with Simon.

That's a good point. I'll correct that immediately.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think given the nature of the diagram (where you have included external roles for everyone else) then it would be cohesive to include PI as an external role as suggested. I would rather PI were not mentioned but that is just my opinion and I can understand why people may be upset or angry about the PIA so I am not going to put my opinion above the general opinion.

I just want the diagram to be accurate and fair. Simon has become a close friend of mine and what you guys are seeing really is only the tip of a huge iceberg; the work Simon has done and is currently doing goes beyond what most people could even begin to comprehend. And it should be noted that despite 80/20 Thinking doing the PIA, Simon has never let that get in the way of our developing friendship and has kept that matter professional and completely separate. He has been completely honest with me regarding official questions about the PIA and has never tried to hide anything, I would hope people can appreciate that.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK, how about a company box for 80/20, showing this outfit as having the PIA contract, then a 'person' box for Simon, connected to 80/20 on one side and PI on the other (or remove the PI reference altogether, if that helps avoid any arguments)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That is quite astonishing! How did Roman Gaufman (aka Hackeron, The Phorm Malware Hacker) managed to sneak into a BT network centre with a 19" rack full of electronic snooping equipment and leave it there like an Elephant in the room during the 2006 and 2007 spying trials?

Who opened the doors to the actual equipment rooms and who showed him which wires to tap into, surely Stratis Scleparis the CTO of BT Retail must have authorised a BT engineer to help Roman do the dirty deads? How come JR hasn't come across the details of at least 6 weeks of someone sneaking around inside the network and no one at BT control saw millions of rogue javascript injection traffic coming from one network section?





And there's more:

The cheek of this guy Stratis Scleparis!!! Pretending to be a good guy helping to fight malware at BT while he was in full knowledge of the fact his secret malware trials where going on under the noses of BT victims at his behest via his malicious rootkit friends Kent Ertugrul of 121Media (aka Phorm)

http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...s-back-at.html


Note: to Phormwatch you need to add 121Media(Phorm) hacker Roman Gaufman onto your entity relationship diagram, he's Stratis lil helper ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Here's the latest version - still open to suggestions...

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6886/phormumlrq9.jpg

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I agree, we have been down this road before and some of us have already stated an opinion. I have my opinions but I am not going to re-iterate them again. All information is available somewhere deep within this thread.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That is much better, thank you for addressing my concerns. To everyone else, Simon Davies really isn't the enemy here.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Cool.

Everyone else happy with that?

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If you have any suggestions for further additions/relationships, please let me know. This will be an ongoing project...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Looks good to me.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The 80/20 relationship looks a more accurate.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You might want to include that chap in Korea, since it is evidence of Phorm expanding their market (or attempting to) into South Korea.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Remove the "Prince of Darkness" quote, maybe put the box in a slightly different colour, discrimination of any kind I hope is precisely what this Group is about!