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jfman 05-04-2019 12:28

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990108)
Will you stop going on about a second referendum, I am sure you keep bringing it up, just to piss off the other side - pack it in - there is not the numbers for it in HoC and it has been defeated 3 times already - be told. :rolleyes:

Mick, as you know, the House of Commons can peg he same amendment onto any new proposals. The numbers can, and do often, change. You seem to be confusing matters because it’s not your preferred outcome.

As with leaving on March 29th, things can (and do) change. Until we actually agree and leave the EU the prospect of a second referendum will continue to loom over the process.

Chris 05-04-2019 12:30

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35990110)
And yet it's on the agenda for the ongoing Tory/Labour Brexit talks. Think it will be a last option, but they'll come back to it eventually.

It’s on the agenda because it was a precondition for Jezza to talk to Tess, and Jezza has to be seen talking to Tess if Tess is to stand any chance of getting a longer extension from the EU. If nothing changes, no further extension will be allowed.

A second referendum is politically toxic. A majority of MPs understand that, even if their leaders have to pretend not to in order to excuse their discussions.

Carth 05-04-2019 12:31

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Amazes me how a second referendum is still touted as a possibility yet leaving with no deal isn't :shrug:

I'm probably wrong, but I always thought leaving with no deal was the default position if we had no deal . . . which we haven't . . . but still not left :rolleyes:

The way it's going, the EU will be assimilated into the Great Pacific Corporation (which doesn't exist yet) before we actually get anywhere :D

jfman 05-04-2019 12:36

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35990112)
It’s on the agenda because it was a precondition for Jezza to talk to Tess, and Jezza has to be seen talking to Tess if Tess is to stand any chance of getting a longer extension from the EU. If nothing changes, no further extension will be allowed.

A second referendum is politically toxic. A majority of MPs understand that, even if their leaders have to pretend not to in order to excuse their discussions.

Do “a majority” understand that? One of the times it was voted against Labour whipped against. Hardly representative of their own opinion.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35990113)
Amazes me how a second referendum is still touted as a possibility yet leaving with no deal isn't :shrug:

That’s an easy one, we’ve got Parliament trying to sabotage the process because it favours remain (we all agree on this point).

No deal guarantees we do not remain.

2nd referendum is probably 50/50 on the outcome.

Mr K 05-04-2019 12:40

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35990112)

A second referendum is politically toxic. A majority of MPs understand that, even if their leaders have to pretend not to in order to excuse their discussions.

Not leaving on 29/3 was politically toxic, yet it happened.
Everything is in play now, apart from No Deal, which was a threat that nobody meant.

TheDaddy 05-04-2019 12:44

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990047)
Laughable.

We’ve had this one sided and boring discussion before. You tell me how many Remainers/people were duped by the threat of Barack Obama’s back of queue bullshit.

Some of you Remainers go on about the leave side duping others during the campaigns but act as if the Remain side acted totally squeaky clean, clue: they did not, they told absolute porkies, in all my discussions since Referendum result, I have never denied my side pulled some stunts, but again it’s all one sided rubbish with some of you Remainers. :rolleyes:

Does that mean you did believe Dave Cameron and what he told you and didn't believe what mogg Johnson gove Davis farage and large sections of the media told you or not?

Thought we had a discussion the other day on my thoughts on Obama involving himself in our affairs, just in case I wasn't clear I strongly disapproved of it, much in the same way I dissaprove of two wrongs making a right 're the referendum campaigns, if they're part of the democracy we must uphold at all costs then you can keep it., it's not worth fighting for.

Mick 05-04-2019 14:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35990121)
Does that mean you did believe Dave Cameron and what he told you and didn't believe what mogg Johnson gove Davis farage and large sections of the media told you or not?

Thought we had a discussion the other day on my thoughts on Obama involving himself in our affairs, just in case I wasn't clear I strongly disapproved of it, much in the same way I dissaprove of two wrongs making a right 're the referendum campaigns, if they're part of the democracy we must uphold at all costs then you can keep it., it's not worth fighting for.

I did not follow anything what any politician said, I have made myself clear loads of times - I have wanted to leave the EU for a very very long time, more than 10 years, it is a vast, ever growing corrupted entity that wants more power and eventually steer towards a United States of Europe, no thank you.

We already has the denials there was not going to be a EU Army, but there will be. The EU is just going to get worse and worse when it comes to power - they are already inflicting misery with their Article 13 bullshit that was voted on and approved the other week, the young in the UK will like that one - not!

Angua 05-04-2019 14:55

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990047)
Laughable. They got their cohorts to do their dirty work for them. George Soros, Tony Blair, President Obama, et all.

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We’ve had this one sided and boring discussion before. You tell me how many Remainers/people were duped by the threat of Barack Obama’s back of queue bullshit.

Some of you Remainers go on about the leave side duping others during the campaigns but act as if the Remain side acted totally squeaky clean, clue: they did not, they told absolute porkies, in all my discussions since Referendum result, I have never denied my side pulled some stunts, but again it’s all one sided rubbish with some of you Remainers. :rolleyes:

Blair is a UK citizen, the other two are American and not from the EU.

Mick 05-04-2019 14:57

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And just to go over the hypocrisy of the corrupted EU and Article 13 - Donald Tusk was going on about the Parliamentary petition with 6 million signatures on it saying they should be listened to, conveniently forgetting that 17.4 Million beats 6 million, well minus the multiple sigs on it, yet they (the EU) are quite happy to ignore this one:-

https://www.change.org/p/european-pa...e-the-internet

Bloody hypocrites. :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 05-04-2019 15:34

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990143)
I did not follow anything what any politician said, I have made myself clear loads of times - I have wanted to leave the EU for a very very long time, more than 10 years, it is a vast, ever growing corrupted entity that wants more power and eventually steer towards a United States of Europe, no thank you.

We already has the denials there was not going to be a EU Army, but there will be. The EU is just going to get worse and worse when it comes to power - they are already inflicting misery with their Article 13 bullshit that was voted on and approved the other week, the young in the UK will like that one - not!

I wanted to leave then to, still would have if anyone could have come up with a decent argument, thatnotwithstanding I can't see how it's credible for you to say no one was influenced or duped by the liars and charlatans when you didn't follow anything they said.

pip08456 05-04-2019 16:49

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35990143)
I did not follow anything what any politician said, I have made myself clear loads of times - I have wanted to leave the EU for a very very long time, more than 10 years, it is a vast, ever growing corrupted entity that wants more power and eventually steer towards a United States of Europe, no thank you.

We already has the denials there was not going to be a EU Army, but there will be. The EU is just going to get worse and worse when it comes to power - they are already inflicting misery with their Article 13 bullshit that was voted on and approved the other week, the young in the UK will like that one - not!

I voted leave in the first referendum in 1975. In the years since then nothing happened to change my mind.

The EU is nothing else other than a slow conduit to globalism. It matters nothing to me as I'll most likely be gone by then but all those millenials (sorry, remainers) will be the ones who will rue the day democracy was overturned in the UK. They just cannot see it. It's been obvious as time went on.

That said, it is their life ahead of them not mine. I just take heart in the thought of them saying in the future-"If only we'd listened!".

I'll happily laugh in my existential state.;)

OLD BOY 05-04-2019 18:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35990107)
Only if they lied and misrepresented (and illegally funded) again.

Come off it, Hugh. Leavers knew what they voted for. It's the remainers, full of self doubt, who were and are confused.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35990120)
Not leaving on 29/3 was politically toxic, yet it happened.
Everything is in play now, apart from No Deal, which was a threat that nobody meant.

Frankly, I'm hoping for an accidental Brexit. The antics of this bumbling Parliament will probably make this the ultimate outcome.

Then we can start striving for better things while continuing to trade with the EU.

Mick 05-04-2019 18:25

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People know my stance on polling but....

Well well well...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1554484846

You Gov poll along similar lines too earlier this week.

heero_yuy 05-04-2019 18:32

Re: Brexit
 
Looks like May's deal is as popular as a rattlesnake in a lucky dip. :D

Damien 05-04-2019 18:50

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35990167)
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The EU is nothing else other than a slow conduit to globalism. It matters nothing to me as I'll most likely be gone by then but all those millenials (sorry, remainers) will be the ones who will rue the day democracy was overturned in the UK. They just cannot see it. It's been obvious as time went on.

The problem is that we are living in a global economic and opting out of it is unlikely to be beneficial in future.

The alternative scenario is millennials (a generation which didn't causing a banking crisis they suffered from or accrue the debt they'll need to pay back) live though an era where the British economy and status in the world declines and they don't think 'they were right' of the generation that went before.


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