Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928225)

We are perfectly capable of signing our own trade deals, and a lot more quickly than the EU does.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35928207)

You can’t have a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K. either. The agreement says so and so do the DUP.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928248)

There won't be for EU goods and citizens. But non EU entry will have to go through normzl customs checks from all ports.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35928237)

Looks like to the rest of the world doesn't want us to have a good trade deal with the EU, who will still be our main trading partner.. The promised land might not be so sweet.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928225)

So in your view, Andrew, what the EU want is what the EU gets. We will see about that!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928225)

We are perfectly capable of signing our own trade deals, and a lot more quickly than the EU does. A decade in negotiation with the US and still no deal!
Why do you and other remainers have such faith in these guys?
:shrug:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35928260)

I'm glad the US quit T-TIP . It is a terrible agreement.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35928257)

I've never said that but as the bigger negotiator it clearly holds the upper hand. That's how these things work I'm afraid.
But, as others and I have tried to explain, even if the EU had theoretically wanted to sign some amazing deals with the UK, its previous trade deals with third countries won't allow it to sign a more advantageous deal with a third country. So the UK has to decide upon an existing deal based upon the constraints that the Irish border issue imposes.



Your clear anti-EU bias comes through when you mention the US. Did it never occur to you, even for a minute, that it might be the US that's the difficult country? If you had been more open-minded and conducted some basic research you would see the US's problems with free trade and the EU's success at it. Trump scrapped the trade deal with the EU, a decision ironically popular with the left in Britain concerned about "backdoor" privatisation of the NHS.

Let's examine the facts. Here's a list of EU trade deals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/po...de-agreements/
Deals with 35 countries signed and in force.
Deals with a further 27 countries provisionally applied
Deals with a further 23 countries agreed but not signed
Above data excludes Japan recently signed!

The US has free trade deals with 20 countries including the countries in NAFTA.

Let's hone in on the US:
1. List of free trade deals
https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements

Two completed negotiations are mentioned at the foot of the list:
TPP - the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The US has now left this partnership.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.5562ef0a4bc0
T-TIP - the Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership, mentioned at the foot of the document. Following Trump's election, the US quit this too. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7543706.html

2. Despite Canada and the US being in the NAFTA free trade area, Canada has just stopped buying some Boeing planes from the US in a trade dispute.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1DZ2W2

In conclusion, I'm not asking you to agree with me. My ask is that you do a little research first.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928250)

You seem to be happiest when posting negative stories about our leaving the EU, Mr K.

Given that the electorate voted to leave, why are you seemingly willing us to fail? Whatever happens to the negotiations, we are still leaving, one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35928249)

How is that not being in a custom unions with the EU? In fact that's even further than a custom's union as citizens won't be checked either....:erm:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928367)

We are not staying in the customs union because this means we cannot secure our own trade deals. However, that doesn't mean that we cannot benefit from some aspects of it.

If we are and remain in line with the EU's regulatory rules, I see no reason why this can't work.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35928317)

It's time the Government started to think about jobs and investment and not keeping people like BoJo and Rees-Mogg happy. Here's two industries that think this.

https://www.ft.com/content/8a9d05ce-...4-0a1e63a52f9c