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There is much more to debate. The legislation is currently being considered inside Parliament and, when enacted, will affect a lot of people. Many people, for various differing reasons, will find this to be a good or a bad thing.

Those who have been subject to abuse such as children or those in the protected groups, should find life online safer and less taxing on their mental health,

Scammers, paedophiles, those who obtain pleasure from mocking and insulting people because of the colour of their skin, their disability and its affects, sexual orientation etc are more likely to unhappy that their activities are to be curtailed.

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Sounds pretty incompatible to me.

how so?

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Doubtful

Doubtful

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These aren't my propositions, they are proposals to be put before Parliament, I merely provided input.

As previously explained, I have no problem whatsoever with those who have differing views. It's when it is done through the use of tactics like mocking, insulting, laughing at a disabled person and the inevitable affects of their various disabilities that it becomes a problem.

It's akin to mocking someone interacting verbally because they have a stutter or because they have a brain issue like dementia that affects how they process information and express themselves.

Being Scottish doesn't affect you in the same way that a disability would, though of course you could still be unlawfully discriminated against because of it.

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I tell anyone who I think needs to know in order that they can contextualise this, take my disabilities into account and thus comply with the Equality Act.

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It was a joke. I think everyone on here knows 100 times over. You don't need to keep reminding everyone.

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Why can’t I laugh at a disabled person? Especially if what they’re doing or saying is funny?


Try telling that to. JFMan

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Context is king. If a disabled person makes a joke, you aren't laughing at their disability eg the way that they walk due to an accident.

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Richard pick one it's either support this legislation or support free speech because you can't do both this legislation is a sledgehammer to free speech. Many many years ago there was a website called ventyourdemons.com thousands of members who on the vent section posted some of the most violent and hateful comments you could possibly imagine but once they had vented they were ok and went on to comment and help others in the various topic threads. it was a release until somebody came along who only read the vent section not the topics thread and complained and got the website closed down.

I had a friend who'd been wounded serving his country who used it he said it let him get rid of the bad voices in his head, 5 month's after the closure of the site he committed suicide his note read "too many voices inside I can't live like this anymore". This is the first time I've talked about this since it happened and I thought long and hard about putting it on here because I carry some guilt about it and will always have the questions of did I miss something and was there more I could have done, but it's important for you to hopefully understand that legislation is a very broad double edged sword Richard.

This legislation will automatically kill any such sites or similar sites I don't know of any myself I only knew about that particular one because it helped my friend but I'm certain they are out there as the need for them exists. Your completely wrapped up in your personal world Richard and project your issues onto others and because you struggle to deal with certain aspects you want the law to come in and sort it out for you.

As I've said this legislation will absolutely not have the consequences you think it will and in a year or two when that becomes clear to you you'll want more legislation and more penalties because that's the route you've chosen. I and many many others prefer to face all interaction in all it's forms and learn to deal with things we don't like or understand it's a far more constructive approach then hoping on legislation from a bunch of people who have long lost the connection to ordinary people.

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That doesnt cover your assertion that "popular commercial sites take money from known fraudsters to advertise on their platform".

Which popular commercial sites are [knowingly] taking money from known fraudsters ?

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Generally speaking, we don't have complete freedom of speech in this country, or anywhere else that I know of and never have had for centuries. We can, however, be considered to have freedom of speech though when compared to places like Russia.

This is not a binary issue between allowing people to publically say whatever they want and disallowing them from saying anything. Like most things, a compromise is the better of the two. We had this for years and it worked pretty well until the internet came along and changed things.

It soon emerged that some would be intent on using it to upset and harm others, even those less fortunate than themselves, for their own personal pleasure. It should be noted at this point that some people who make inappropriate remarks aren't able to help it because, for example, they have a learning disability like aspergers (a form of autism) that affects their social skills and ability to express themselves appropriately.

The correct course of action with these people would be to talk them through why what they are doing/saying is wrong and the affects that their behaviour has on other people and to only use lawful recourse as a last resort. Others can help by not goading or encouraging their behaviour.

The first general approach to the issue was for site owners to police their users themselves through the routes of rules and moderation. The problems persisted and site owners were then asked to comply with a voluntary code of practice; unfortunately, this failed too, so it has been felt necessary to bring in legislation to deal with the various issues.

We are actually seeing some benefits already with some sites reviewing their rules and improving moderation, either through increased numbers, retraining or some receiving training for the very first time. It's a shame that this couldn't have been done voluntarily without the need for legislation, but it is what it is.

A site similar to what you suggest was tried a few years ago, but eventually had to close, even under the voluntary code of practice era, because it became so bad that the suppliers that facilitated their presence on the internet found it to be too intolerable and pulled the plug.

Those who wish to air and discuss views that most of society find unacceptable can, and will remain, able to do so in the privacy of eirher their own home or that of a sympathiser. This ensures that people ultimately have the right to a complete freedom of speech (providing that this is nothing unlawful, like conspiracy to carry out a crime), whilst not subjecting others to their remarks.

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Nice copy & paste.

:PP:

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Richard, you misunderstand me - I wasn’t talking about the Government proposals, I was meaning when you said

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I'm done there is just no penetrating the bubble.

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What are you talking about?

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My second paragraph was a response to that.

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That's a shame as you put your alternative viewpoint across very eloquently and didn't resort to puerile remarks, rudeness etc when doing so.

We can debate with others but, unfortunately, won't always be able to change another person's view, that's not to say that it still isn't useful and interesting to do so.

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You said Once again, you conflate people disagreeing with your propositions/views/ideas with (sometimes in a mocking manner) with them mocking your disability - people responding to your posts treat you no differently (imho) than any other posters they disagree with; some posters are courteous, some are funny, some are sarcastic, and some are quite blunt - these responses are not aimed at your disability, but at your posts.

You seem to have a blind spot about criticism, assuming that any disagreement/negative comments must be personal, when in fact, you are being treated exactly the same as any other poster on CF.

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What Hugh said, you could try reading it with a Scottish accent and it might make more sense ;).