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We seem to have a variant of Godwin's law* operating here at CF: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Thatcher approaches"—​​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Thatcher.

I paraphrase. :D

*Godwin's law

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I take it you don't live in the North of England then? Label you? You do a good enough job of that without me helping. Move on? She killed anything outside the home counties. It's why London and the rest have such a big gap - The North-South divide which despite what Cameron and Osbourne say about the Northern Power House is getting wider.

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In 1978 we were already contacting each other with computers (well, the unit I was in with the RAF, GCHQ, NSA, et al were) - that wasn't the Internet...;)

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Irrelevant. In case you forgot, this is about the EU Referendum, you're way off the reservation, stick to the topic.

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Intranet, yes. But I was meaning over a bigger distance.

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So you lose. A reaction I'd expect when you have no answer. I'm aware what the topic is and it is related in a way. She gave away a lot to the EU. She tried to reform it and failed.

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Well, I was in Teufelsberg, West Berlin, GCHQ's at Cheltenham, England, and NSA was/is at Fort Meade, Maryland, US of A... ;)

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I'm not here to 'win' anything, I'm here to see the debate about the EU Referendum (on this thread anyway) not listen to people, wibbling on about stuff from 1980whatever. I don't care about what happened then, I don't care about Northern Powerhouses, Or London, or the tooth fairy. Because they're all just noises off. I DO care about the EU Ref though, so do try and please keep up & stick to the topic. I'm not here to 'win' or 'lose' anything this isn't the playground, & I'm not at school, so grow up.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...9&d=1459761759


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The lack of turnout from younger people will be a problem for the In campaign. Maybe these numbers will shake them out of complacency.

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I might disagree with their choice but anyone who's complacent about this needs to wake up.

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The Remain campaign is lacking a lot of the tangible things that enabled the No campaign to thrive in Scotland (despite the furious spinning by the Yessers, who are still trying to claim they have demographics on their side).

Here in the UK the benefits of the fully integrated economy, borderless travel and commerce and a common currency managed for the needs of all are real. The benefits of EU membership ... well apart from a vague sense that togetherness is probably a good thing, what is there? We don't even have the common currency and the common border, not that either of those things is especially appealing right now.

In Scotland, voters of all ages were able to appreciate and make a deliberate choice to remain beneficiaries of these things. But in the EU, if you vote Remain, what exactly are you voting for?

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The same seems to apply to leave. What are you voting for? The arguments on both sides are rather abstract compared to tangible issues like currency and passports. The question for most people will be "How will these effect me?".

I would argue the fear of the unknown was a powerful tool for the No vote in Scotland and that is the same here.

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This has to be right doesn't it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35958689

Why would such data be collected then not revealed? :confused:

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Music to my ears. I'll settle for that on June 23rd.

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A Leave vote is a vote for freedom. Freedom to make the choices that are best for the UK and not the EU. It's a vote for Sovereignty. It's a vote to stand on our own two feet. It's a vote for not having to cowtow to Brussels every time we want to make a decision that only effects the UK. It's a vote to decide who can and can't enter the UK. It's a vote to break free from the United States of Europe. It's a vote to make our own laws and have our own political correctness. Shall I continue or would other outers like to add to this?

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This only proves the point though. There is a lack of tangible things to point too. I doubt 'freedom' is going to win over people who don't pay much attention to politics (which is a hell of a lot of people). Same with 'single market' or 'trade'.

That's why the Stay campaign is emphasising risk. If they want one thing to be drilled into every single voters head come voting then it's 'this is a bit of a risk!', even if they can't exactly articulate why.