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jfman 29-09-2020 22:16
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052077)
:rolleyes:
I fail to see the purpose of your eye roll here. It’s no secret the levels of debt that Netflix are in. You yourself as you ring the death knell for linear television preach to us that quality content will get snapped up by streamers. Well that’s content costs going up and profits going down without price rises.

It has always been bait and switch. Get folk in at £8 a month and see if they will stomach £12/13 in the future.

OLD BOY 30-09-2020 07:48
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052078)
I fail to see the purpose of your eye roll here. It’s no secret the levels of debt that Netflix are in. You yourself as you ring the death knell for linear television preach to us that quality content will get snapped up by streamers. Well that’s content costs going up and profits going down without price rises.

It has always been bait and switch. Get folk in at £8 a month and see if they will stomach £12/13 in the future.
If the plan is to run at a loss initially, to increase prices over time and to expand globally while spending less on content when a sufficient library is amassed, that sounds pretty sustainable to me.

Netflix is playing the long game. No doubt you would have told us that Murdoch’s satellite TV service was doomed back in the 1990s.

I agree that Netflix has accumulated a lot of debt, but Murdoch’s venture actually nearly went under back in the day.I dare say that once Netflix have made retained their original material for so long, they will look to monetise them further by passing on the rights to broadcast over to other streaming services and who knows, maybe to conventionally broadcast scheduled TV channels. Maybe Netflix will come to their rescue with new content for them!

jfman 30-09-2020 08:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052097)
If the plan is to run at a loss initially, to increase prices over time and to expand globally while spending less on content when a sufficient library is amassed, that sounds pretty sustainable to me.

Netflix is playing the long game. No doubt you would have told us that Murdoch’s satellite TV service was doomed back in the 1990s.

I agree that Netflix has accumulated a lot of debt, but Murdoch’s venture actually nearly went under back in the day.I dare say that once Netflix have made retained their original material for so long, they will look to monetise them further by passing on the rights to broadcast over to other streaming services and who knows, maybe to conventionally broadcast scheduled TV channels. Maybe Netflix will come to their rescue with new content for them!
Increasing prices over time in, what by your own assertion will be, a crowded marketplace with many different low cost products is very risky. At some point you stop being a low cost add on. Especially if you can’t justify the price premium. All the while one of your major competitors, Amazon, is amassing sports rights and other content and maintaining a low price due to the profitability of Prime customers to it’s retail arm.

OLD BOY 30-09-2020 10:17
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052099)
Increasing prices over time in, what by your own assertion will be, a crowded marketplace with many different low cost products is very risky. At some point you stop being a low cost add on. Especially if you can’t justify the price premium. All the while one of your major competitors, Amazon, is amassing sports rights and other content and maintaining a low price due to the profitability of Prime customers to it’s retail arm.
Netflix is way out in front of all the streamers and will be for many years to come. People will ditch pay tv channels if they need to do so in order to keep Netflix and where money is an issue, they will supplement their viewing with AVOD and in the short term, the terrestrial channels.

Just look at the week’s schedules for Sky One, Sky Witness and Sky Atlantic and do a quick assessment on whether you think they are value for money compared with Netflix. True, there are one or two good programmes on there, but they are surrounded by piles of absolute dross. I only subscribe to Sky for those one or two good programmes, but they represent pretty poor value for money IMHO.

muppetman11 30-09-2020 12:20
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052111)
Netflix is way out in front of all the streamers and will be for many years to come. People will ditch pay tv channels if they need to do so in order to keep Netflix and where money is an issue, they will supplement their viewing with AVOD and in the short term, the terrestrial channels.

Just look at the week’s schedules for Sky One, Sky Witness and Sky Atlantic and do a quick assessment on whether you think they are value for money compared with Netflix. True, there are one or two good programmes on there, but they are surrounded by piles of absolute dross. I only subscribe to Sky for those one or two good programmes, but they represent pretty poor value for money IMHO.
Why are we comparing Netflix to three Sky Channels :confused:

Netflix for me is a nice little add on but it has to be careful how far it pushes prices.

jfman 30-09-2020 12:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052111)
Netflix is way out in front of all the streamers and will be for many years to come. People will ditch pay tv channels if they need to do so in order to keep Netflix and where money is an issue, they will supplement their viewing with AVOD and in the short term, the terrestrial channels.

Just look at the week’s schedules for Sky One, Sky Witness and Sky Atlantic and do a quick assessment on whether you think they are value for money compared with Netflix. True, there are one or two good programmes on there, but they are surrounded by piles of absolute dross. I only subscribe to Sky for those one or two good programmes, but they represent pretty poor value for money IMHO.
In your opinion people will ditch traditional services. The fact is many pay far more to Sky/Virgin and perceive value there. You yourself say that the one or two good programmes on Sky are worth paying for. Add in movies and sports and it's in a different league to a nice, cheap add on.

Phunkenstein 30-09-2020 13:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052097)
If the plan is to run at a loss initially, to increase prices over time and to expand globally while spending less on content when a sufficient library is amassed, that sounds pretty sustainable to me.

Netflix is playing the long game. No doubt you would have told us that Murdoch’s satellite TV service was doomed back in the 1990s.

I agree that Netflix has accumulated a lot of debt, but Murdoch’s venture actually nearly went under back in the day.I dare say that once Netflix have made retained their original material for so long, they will look to monetise them further by passing on the rights to broadcast over to other streaming services and who knows, maybe to conventionally broadcast scheduled TV channels. Maybe Netflix will come to their rescue with new content for them!
I will agree here that Netflix are globally in front - they have the model, the brand, and the customer muscle memory...that being said they are not invulnerable.

You say that they will "spend less on content" when they have a sufficient library? That is highly unlikely...

If anything spend will continue to go up and they will continue to make more content as licenses expire as legacy companies repatriate content for their services as they slowly expand into other territories - they have to fill that backlog with more volume hence they will perpetually keep spending especially as data points to more cancellations and new orders. I'm sorry but you can't spend billions trying to be Costco and then decide all of a sudden you're a high end boutique.

They will have to compete as Apple and Amazon increase their comparatively low spend and pick up high end shows and films like Killers Of The Flower Moon and Borat 2 (if rumours are to be believed, Amazon bid $40 million more than Netflix for the Borat film) - and unlike those companies and the likes of Disney & Comcast, they do not have other primary businesses to fall back on.

And most importantly, all those other competitors? They don't need to exceed Netflix's subscriber numbers - most of them have different models that does not necessarily mean they need to go toe to toe with Netflix for sub numbers... all the likes of HBO Max, Peacock/Now TV, Disney+/Star/Hulu and Paramount+ need to do collectively is erode hours of viewing from Netflix whose whole business is about keeping you in their platform and nowhere else... if they increase prices and yet viewing hours go down, it will be reasonable to suggest customers may start to consider whether it is still a value proposition.

I don't think Netflix is going anywhere as they are still a damn good service but I don't think they are bulletproof either.

1andrew1 30-09-2020 13:51
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36052129)
Why are we comparing Netflix to three Sky Channels :confused:

Netflix for me is a nice little add on but it has to be careful how far it pushes prices.
Maybe to ensure Netflix comes out on top?
It should be compared to Now TV's entertainment pack if we're comparing it to a Sky product.

Chris 30-09-2020 14:04
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Netflix has done remarkably well at allowing established Hollywood figures to use their platform to produce vanity projects - actors getting producer credits, that sort of thing. That’s less charitable than I mean it to be; Enola Holmes names Millie Bobby Brown as a producer and by all accounts she was fairly hands-on. But no matter how talented she is, she’s only 16 and her reputation stems entirely from one ensemble show (Stranger Things). Again, that sounds less charitable than I mean it to; all I’m really saying is she wouldn’t have got such a massive opportunity anywhere else. Netflix is happy to chuck money at projects like that and see if it sticks. Given the names they’ve been able to attract to what, in old money, would have been disparagingly called a “tv movie” or “straight to video”, it’s a strategy that’s working for them - especially if Enola Holmes is anything to go by. It managed to draw in Henry Cavill *and* Helena B.C., and has been in the U.K. top 10 since it dropped. The commissioning of a sequel is all but a formality.

Massive companies like Amazon and Apple, which are increasingly looking like conglomerates with their only tangentially connected business divisions, may well have the deep pockets needed to cross-subsidise their TV operations and out bid Netflix for big name productions like Star Trek or Borat, but I believe Netflix already learned a hard lesson in that regard when Marvel went to Disney, Disney started making streaming noises, and Netflix’s well-developed and well-received corner of the MCU came to a sudden halt, long before it ran out of stories to tell.

In short, I don’t think Netflix’s business model is threatened by Amazon or Apple throwing big money at bids for third party content, and I don’t think Netflix is going to reduce spend on its own commissions and retreat to being a video library. It has found a commissioning model that works for it, and also works for the rather big names who are clearly willing to work for somewhat less than the Hollywood A rate in exchange for the creative freedom Netflix is willing to give them.

Legendkiller2k 30-09-2020 14:12
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052147)
Netflix has done remarkably well at allowing established Hollywood figures to use their platform to produce vanity projects - actors getting producer credits, that sort of thing. That’s less charitable than I mean it to be; Enola Holmes names Millie Bobby Brown as a producer and by all accounts she was fairly hands-on. But no matter how talented she is, she’s only 16 and her reputation stems entirely from one ensemble show (Stranger Things). Again, that sounds less charitable than I mean it to; all I’m really saying is she wouldn’t have got such a massive opportunity anywhere else. Netflix is happy to chuck money at projects like that and see if it sticks. Given the names they’ve been able to attract to what, in old money, would have been disparagingly called a “tv movie” or “straight to video”, it’s a strategy that’s working for them - especially if Enola Holmes is anything to go by. It managed to draw in Henry Cavill *and* Helena B.C., and has been in the U.K. top 10 since it dropped. The commissioning of a sequel is all but a formality.

Massive companies like Amazon and Apple, which are increasingly looking like conglomerates with their only tangentially connected business divisions, may well have the deep pockets needed to cross-subsidise their TV operations and out bid Netflix for big name productions like Star Trek or Borat, but I believe Netflix already learned a hard lesson in that regard when Marvel went to Disney, Disney started making streaming noises, and Netflix’s well-developed and well-received corner of the MCU came to a sudden halt, long before it ran out of stories to tell.

In short, I don’t think Netflix’s business model is threatened by Amazon or Apple throwing big money at bids for third party content, and I don’t think Netflix is going to reduce spend on its own commissions and retreat to being a video library. It has found a commissioning model that works for it, and also works for the rather big names who are clearly willing to work for somewhat less than the Hollywood A rate in exchange for the creative freedom Netflix is willing to give them.
Very good post hit the nail on the head.

Phunkenstein 30-09-2020 14:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052147)
Netflix has done remarkably well at allowing established Hollywood figures to use their platform to produce vanity projects - actors getting producer credits, that sort of thing. That’s less charitable than I mean it to be; Enola Holmes names Millie Bobby Brown as a producer and by all accounts she was fairly hands-on. But no matter how talented she is, she’s only 16 and her reputation stems entirely from one ensemble show (Stranger Things). Again, that sounds less charitable than I mean it to; all I’m really saying is she wouldn’t have got such a massive opportunity anywhere else. Netflix is happy to chuck money at projects like that and see if it sticks. Given the names they’ve been able to attract to what, in old money, would have been disparagingly called a “tv movie” or “straight to video”, it’s a strategy that’s working for them - especially if Enola Holmes is anything to go by. It managed to draw in Henry Cavill *and* Helena B.C., and has been in the U.K. top 10 since it dropped. The commissioning of a sequel is all but a formality.

Massive companies like Amazon and Apple, which are increasingly looking like conglomerates with their only tangentially connected business divisions, may well have the deep pockets needed to cross-subsidise their TV operations and out bid Netflix for big name productions like Star Trek or Borat, but I believe Netflix already learned a hard lesson in that regard when Marvel went to Disney, Disney started making streaming noises, and Netflix’s well-developed and well-received corner of the MCU came to a sudden halt, long before it ran out of stories to tell.

In short, I don’t think Netflix’s business model is threatened by Amazon or Apple throwing big money at bids for third party content, and I don’t think Netflix is going to reduce spend on its own commissions and retreat to being a video library. It has found a commissioning model that works for it, and also works for the rather big names who are clearly willing to work for somewhat less than the Hollywood A rate in exchange for the creative freedom Netflix is willing to give them.
I agree - good post, but to to correct one thing, Enola Holmes was not actually a Netflix production - it was developed and produced by Legendary & Warner Bros for a theatrical release before they sold distribution rights to Netflix - that being said, the presence of it's lead, her link to Netflix and the appeal of it to a young audience makes it an understandable acquisition for them... I actually think it would not have had a lot of traction had it gone via a traditional theatrical route.

pip08456 30-09-2020 14:33
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Legendary & Warner Bros have lined up a box office hit for a sequel. Good move letting Netflix have the first one.

japitts 30-09-2020 15:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051703)
It's going to be ridiculously expensive for sports fans, that's what it's going to be. A premiership add on at greater cost than the full Sky Sports add on for Now TV?

I can't see sports fans falling over themselves to pay another £25 a month. Many view the rights as fragmented enough needing Sky and BT without a third service with a sizable proportion of the games.
Rugby union is a similar boat - club rugby is on either BT or Premier (if you're English or Welsh/Scottish) & international is either Sky or FTA.

BT for one do an excellent job with the club rugby, but the split seems to work quite well. I really hope Amazon getting the autumn cup is not a sign of things to come.

Hugh 30-09-2020 17:08
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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36052151)
I agree - good post, but to to correct one thing, Enola Holmes was not actually a Netflix production - it was developed and produced by Legendary & Warner Bros for a theatrical release before they sold distribution rights to Netflix - that being said, the presence of it's lead, her link to Netflix and the appeal of it to a young audience makes it an understandable acquisition for them... I actually think it would not have had a lot of traction had it gone via a traditional theatrical route.
According to the LA Times, the Brown family pitched the idea to Legendary through their production company.

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It was Enola herself who appealed to Paige Brown, the star’s older sister and a self-described “bookworm,” who helped start the journey for the film to get made after reading Springer’s “Enola Holmes Mysteries” series.

“[Enola] really just struck me as a really great character,” said Paige Brown. “Millie at the time was a bit younger [than Enola] but I was thinking ahead and thought, ‘This would be really great onscreen.’”

Paige introduced the books to Millie, and it didn’t take much for her to get on board with a film project.

“I just fell in love with Enola,” said Millie Bobby Brown. “When Paige is excited about something it gets me immediately excited. I read the book series and I was immersed by the story. … I was very excited about multiple different things — the stunts, the costumes, the time period. [Enola’s] bravery and her vulnerableness.”

The sisters discussed the project with their father and, through their family production company, PCMA Productions, connected with Legendary Pictures, a studio Millie had a relationship with via the “Godzilla” franchise, to make the film happen. Netflix acquired the finished film in April, when movie theaters were already shut down due to COVID-19.

Raider999 30-09-2020 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052078)
I fail to see the purpose of your eye roll here. It’s no secret the levels of debt that Netflix are in. You yourself as you ring the death knell for linear television preach to us that quality content will get snapped up by streamers. Well that’s content costs going up and profits going down without price rises.

It has always been bait and switch. Get folk in at £8 a month and see if they will stomach £12/13 in the future.

Or give them an offer, see how many are rich enough and too idle to cancel when you ramp up the cost.

I'm sure it works for a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36052159)
Rugby union is a similar boat - club rugby is on either BT or Premier (if you're English or Welsh/Scottish) & international is either Sky or FTA.

BT for one do an excellent job with the club rugby, but the split seems to work quite well. I really hope Amazon getting the autumn cup is not a sign of things to come.
Yes hopefully it isn't the thin end of the wedge!

OLD BOY 30-09-2020 19:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052146)
Maybe to ensure Netflix comes out on top?
It should be compared to Now TV's entertainment pack if we're comparing it to a Sky product.
No, it was a quick check of the main pay-tv general entertainment channels. You can do exactly the same with the full range of channels available within Sky Basics. I agree that the premium channels - Sky Cinema and Sky Sports - are in a different league. Of course, Netflix does not show sport, so it did not make sense to compare that.

Fair enough to compare Sky Cinema, but add that to all the TV shows and then compare prices.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052147)
Netflix has done remarkably well at allowing established Hollywood figures to use their platform to produce vanity projects - actors getting producer credits, that sort of thing. That’s less charitable than I mean it to be; Enola Holmes names Millie Bobby Brown as a producer and by all accounts she was fairly hands-on. But no matter how talented she is, she’s only 16 and her reputation stems entirely from one ensemble show (Stranger Things). Again, that sounds less charitable than I mean it to; all I’m really saying is she wouldn’t have got such a massive opportunity anywhere else. Netflix is happy to chuck money at projects like that and see if it sticks. Given the names they’ve been able to attract to what, in old money, would have been disparagingly called a “tv movie” or “straight to video”, it’s a strategy that’s working for them - especially if Enola Holmes is anything to go by. It managed to draw in Henry Cavill *and* Helena B.C., and has been in the U.K. top 10 since it dropped. The commissioning of a sequel is all but a formality.

Massive companies like Amazon and Apple, which are increasingly looking like conglomerates with their only tangentially connected business divisions, may well have the deep pockets needed to cross-subsidise their TV operations and out bid Netflix for big name productions like Star Trek or Borat, but I believe Netflix already learned a hard lesson in that regard when Marvel went to Disney, Disney started making streaming noises, and Netflix’s well-developed and well-received corner of the MCU came to a sudden halt, long before it ran out of stories to tell.

In short, I don’t think Netflix’s business model is threatened by Amazon or Apple throwing big money at bids for third party content, and I don’t think Netflix is going to reduce spend on its own commissions and retreat to being a video library. It has found a commissioning model that works for it, and also works for the rather big names who are clearly willing to work for somewhat less than the Hollywood A rate in exchange for the creative freedom Netflix is willing to give them.
I don’t disagree. Incidentally, I didn’t mean to imply that Netflix would stop making originals and become merely a video library. But I do think that they will reduce the amount of new material coming on stream each week once they get to a certain critical mass.

jfman 30-09-2020 20:13
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In other words only make comparisons favourable for Netflix. I’m quite sure rational consumers in the marketplace do not act as you suggest Old Boy and it’s up to Netflix to remain competitive despite price rises.

Raider makes a reasonable point about customer apathy, where they don’t feel strongly enough to go out their way to cancel. While I’m sure this happens I’m sure the recession will afford less people the luxury.

Mad Max 30-09-2020 20:18
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We only use Netflix occasionally, our main streaming channel is Now TV which we use for their entertainment pack, and at the present cost of only £1.60 per month, is superb value IMO.

Legendkiller2k 30-09-2020 20:42
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36052180)
We only use Netflix occasionally, our main streaming channel is Now TV which we use for their entertainment pack, and at the present cost of only £1.60 per month, is superb value IMO.
Check your emails mate NOWtv are currently sending out 1 month SKY Cinema free then £2.99p/m afterwards for 6 months.

jfman 30-09-2020 20:43
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All this choice is getting a bit much over in the United States

Only needed three channels for all the sports content is described as the "golden age". If Old Boy gets his wish here's where we are going.

Mad Max 30-09-2020 20:44
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052183)
Check your emails mate NOWtv are currently sending out 1 month SKY Cinema free then £2.99p/m afterwards for 6 months.
Thx mate, I've already got Sky Cinema on my package with Virgin, but thx again anyway for the info. :)

Legendkiller2k 30-09-2020 21:56
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36052185)
Thx mate, I've already got Sky Cinema on my package with Virgin, but thx again anyway for the info. :)
Anytime mate, happy to help people save money if i can.

OLD BOY 01-10-2020 19:17
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052184)
All this choice is getting a bit much over in the United States

Only needed three channels for all the sports content is described as the "golden age". If Old Boy gets his wish here's where we are going.
It’s not my wish, jfman, I’m just stating the way this all appears to be going. I don’t watch sport at all, hence it is just a passing interest to me.

Where the streamers are excelling is in the field of general entertainment, particularly drama serials. We’ve never had so much choice in drama content, and it is very inexpensive compared with pay tv channels.

1andrew1 01-10-2020 19:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052252)
It’s not my wish, jfman, I’m just stating the way this all appears to be going. I don’t watch sport at all, hence it is just a passing interest to me.

Where the streamers are excelling is in the field of general entertainment, particularly drama serials. We’ve never had so much choice in drama content, and it is very inexpensive compared with pay tv channels.
The good things for streaming companies with drama compared to sport are:
- It is still viewed long after its first release so suits a VOD library
- People are happy to watch it when it suits them, not everyone at the same time. Most viewings of sports are live with everyone watching at the same time. This requires a lot more capacity to cope with very popular events.
- Drama rights can be obtained on a multi-country and global basis. TV rights for sports are normally sold by country or region.

OLD BOY 01-10-2020 20:10
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052260)
The good things for streaming companies with drama compared to sport are:
- It is still viewed long after its first release so suits a VOD library
- People are happy to watch it when it suits them, not everyone at the same time. Most viewings of sports are live with everyone watching at the same time. This requires a lot more capacity to cope with very popular events.
- Drama rights can be obtained on a multi-country and global basis. TV rights for sports are normally sold by country or region.
I certainly wouldn’t argue with that.

jfman 01-10-2020 21:04
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052252)
It’s not my wish, jfman, I’m just stating the way this all appears to be going. I don’t watch sport at all, hence it is just a passing interest to me.

Where the streamers are excelling is in the field of general entertainment, particularly drama serials. We’ve never had so much choice in drama content, and it is very inexpensive compared with pay tv channels.
It can only be “your wish” because anyone else wouldn’t have posted so strongly, and so often, about the subject!

Sport is a “passing interest” as it doesn’t suit your narrative. It’s the gaping hole within it.

OLD BOY 01-10-2020 23:23
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052285)
It can only be “your wish” because anyone else wouldn’t have posted so strongly, and so often, about the subject!

Sport is a “passing interest” as it doesn’t suit your narrative. It’s the gaping hole within it.
You assume too much, jfman. I have posted so strongly only because some members dismiss the whole concept out of hand and try to ridicule the whole idea.

Legendkiller2k 02-10-2020 00:24
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052304)
You assume too much, jfman. I have posted so strongly only because some members dismiss the whole concept out of hand and try to ridicule the whole idea.
How's Disney+ doing on VM then?
Didn't you say you'd be surprised if it wasn't on VM on October 1st?

pip08456 02-10-2020 00:51
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052309)
How's Disney+ doing on VM then?
Didn't you say you'd be surprised if it wasn't on VM on October 1st?
So he'll be surprised then, so what.

jfman 02-10-2020 06:58
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052304)
You assume too much, jfman. I have posted so strongly only because some members dismiss the whole concept out of hand and try to ridicule the whole idea.
The only person I see dismissing anything out of hand on a routine basis is you.

Everyone else sees the consolidation of the global market into a handful of companies who will dominate the market. You’re the one persisting that this must be platforms which exclusively stream.

Others rationally contest that viewers follow content and that Sky (and other incumbents) have solid business models and streaming presence for those ideological about these things.

OLD BOY 02-10-2020 11:48
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052309)
How's Disney+ doing on VM then?
Didn't you say you'd be surprised if it wasn't on VM on October 1st?
Well, it’s not, is it? It would have made sense, though, with the Disney channels going.

I really don’t know why Virgin have to take such a long time negotiating these deals, but I’m sure we will get the service eventually.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052314)
The only person I see dismissing anything out of hand on a routine basis is you.

Everyone else sees the consolidation of the global market into a handful of companies who will dominate the market. You’re the one persisting that this must be platforms which exclusively stream.

Others rationally contest that viewers follow content and that Sky (and other incumbents) have solid business models and streaming presence for those ideological about these things.
And the only reason I say that is because over time, the majority of people will get to appreciate the ease of on demand viewing compared with the alternative. Despite what you say, I don’t believe for one minute that the broadcasters will bother with keeping the TV channels alive when only a minority of the population watch them. How much did the BBC save when BBC3 went on line? £50m! Hardly a paltry sum. And yes, I know that they are bringing the channel back, which is the right thing to do at this time. It was too early to take the channel on line when they did - the time is not yet right.

It’s just what I think. You may disagree, but no need to get in a state about it.

Legendkiller2k 02-10-2020 12:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052351)
Well, it’s not, is it? It would have made sense, though, with the Disney channels going.

I really don’t know why Virgin have to take such a long time negotiating these deals, but I’m sure we will get the service eventually.

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And the only reason I say that is because over time, the majority of people will get to appreciate the ease of on demand viewing compared with the alternative. Despite what you say, I don’t believe for one minute that the broadcasters will bother with keeping the TV channels alive when only a minority of the population watch them. How much did the BBC save when BBC3 went on line? £50m! Hardly a paltry sum. And yes, I know that they are bringing the channel back, which is the right thing to do at this time. It was too early to take the channel on line when they did - the time is not yet right.

It’s just what I think. You may disagree, but no need to get in a state about it.
I'm only ribbing you OB mate i has some news for you though as of today we have "D+, VM,BT,YV" appeared on our systems for contracts so looks like things are starting to happen.

OLD BOY 02-10-2020 12:34
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052358)
I'm only ribbing you OB mate i has some news for you though as of today we have "D+, VM,BT,YV" appeared on our systems for contracts so looks like things are starting to happen.
I am sorry that post came across as a bit shirty if you read it a certain way, but I didn’t mean it like that!

Let’s hope the D+ does mean ‘Disney+ and not Discovery+, although both would be nice! Incidentally, is the ‘VM,BT,YV’ all part of the D+ code or are they codes for separate services? It sounds curious to me - are we getting something from BT? YV could be ‘You View’ but I don’t know how we would benefit from that. Very strange.

Legendkiller2k 02-10-2020 12:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052368)
I am sorry that post came across as a bit shirty if you read it a certain way, but I didn’t mean it like that!

Let’s hope the D+ does mean ‘Disney+ and not Discovery+, although both would be nice! Incidentally, is the ‘VM,BT,YV’ all part of the D+ code or are they codes for separate services? It sounds curious to me - are we getting something from BT? YV could be ‘You View’ but I don’t know how we would benefit from that. Very strange.
It could mean Dplay too hopefully find out more, i've sent it up to the relevant department now so just a waiting game.
Yeah vm= virgin, bt=bt, yv=youview.
What it means is D+ is relevant to those 3 platforms at the moment nothing from BT to VM as of yet.
Also noted Origintv has officially launched now full, this is a tv service from Origin Broadband a company i'd steer well clear off.

1andrew1 02-10-2020 13:04
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052351)
Well, it’s not, is it? It would have made sense, though, with the Disney channels going.

I really don’t know why Virgin have to take such a long time negotiating these deals, but I’m sure we will get the service eventually.
As TalkTalk and BT don't have it either, I suggest that it's probably something more than just VM dragging its heels..

Disney + launched in the UK on 31 March 2020.

Six months' as a Sky exclusive would have seen it available on other pay TV platforms this month which as you say would have been a smooth handover when the linear channels closed.

However, I suspect Disney are quite happy for customers to sign up directly without paying any sign-up commission to VM.

My thinking is next year now and possibly on 31 March again for a launch on VM.

jfman 02-10-2020 13:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052351)
Well, it’s not, is it? It would have made sense, though, with the Disney channels going.

I really don’t know why Virgin have to take such a long time negotiating these deals, but I’m sure we will get the service eventually.

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And the only reason I say that is because over time, the majority of people will get to appreciate the ease of on demand viewing compared with the alternative. Despite what you say, I don’t believe for one minute that the broadcasters will bother with keeping the TV channels alive when only a minority of the population watch them. How much did the BBC save when BBC3 went on line? £50m! Hardly a paltry sum. And yes, I know that they are bringing the channel back, which is the right thing to do at this time. It was too early to take the channel on line when they did - the time is not yet right.

It’s just what I think. You may disagree, but no need to get in a state about it.
£50m is blatantly not the cost of running a TV channel if you own the content anyway. A trawl of any two bob channel on the Sky/Virgin EPG and their investor relations and declarations to Companies House will verify that.

However that doesn't suit your narrative to seek out objective facts.

cheekyangus 02-10-2020 17:16
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052377)
£50m is blatantly not the cost of running a TV channel if you own the content anyway. A trawl of any two bob channel on the Sky/Virgin EPG and their investor relations and declarations to Companies House will verify that.

However that doesn't suit your narrative to seek out objective facts.
Given BBC3 (broadcast version) at the end was filled with back to back Family Guy and it's related shows, it hardly owned all the broadcast content. I'm not saying FG and the like cost them £50m by the way!

Back then, to my recollection, the BBC said it cost £80m to run the channel and £50m would be saved by going online only. I never believed that figure given it shared transmission space with CBBC and that was continuing.

denphone 02-10-2020 17:41
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36052129)
Why are we comparing Netflix to three Sky Channels :confused:

Netflix for me is a nice little add on but it has to be careful how far it pushes prices.
+1

OLD BOY 02-10-2020 19:47
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052377)
£50m is blatantly not the cost of running a TV channel if you own the content anyway. A trawl of any two bob channel on the Sky/Virgin EPG and their investor relations and declarations to Companies House will verify that.

However that doesn't suit your narrative to seek out objective facts.
£50m was the saving made when the BBC3 channel closed. And that doesn’t suit your narrative, jfman!

jfman 02-10-2020 19:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052436)
£50m was the saving made when the BBC3 channel closed. And that doesn’t suit your narrative, jfman!
That has nothing to do with the cost of maintaining a linear presence.

As others have pointed out content left the channel as part of the savings. And they filled BBC 1 and 2 with some of the leftover content. Another spreadsheet wheeze for the BBC but nothing to do with the cost of maintaining a linear presence.

As you’ve correctly pointed out they are reversing the decision. Clearly, because little of this online content had the reach of the linear channel.

I could give the BBC a way to save billions by - closing down. It’s hardly a like for like comparison.

OLD BOY 02-10-2020 20:27
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052438)
That has nothing to do with the cost of maintaining a linear presence.

As others have pointed out content left the channel as part of the savings. And they filled BBC 1 and 2 with some of the leftover content. Another spreadsheet wheeze for the BBC but nothing to do with the cost of maintaining a linear presence.

As you’ve correctly pointed out they are reversing the decision. Clearly, because little of this online content had the reach of the linear channel.

I could give the BBC a way to save billions by - closing down. It’s hardly a like for like comparison.
It is true that there would have been a saving from not having to fill the schedules with all that pathetic filler content. What wasn’t filler was put onto BBC3 Online.

Your analogy is off the wall. BBC3 is returning as a conventional channel because it was far too early to close it down. In good time, all the Beeb’s channels will close down together and the content made available on a streamer.

jfman 02-10-2020 20:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052441)
It is true that there would have been a saving from not having to fill the schedules with all that pathetic filler content. What wasn’t filler was put onto BBC3 Online.

Your analogy is off the wall. BBC3 is returning as a conventional channel because it was far too early to close it down. In good time, all the Beeb’s channels will close down together and the content made available on a streamer.
My analogy is no more off the wall than your implication that there's a lot of £50 millions out there to be saved from going streaming only.

If there was you'd perhaps have a point. However it's simply not true.

The fact the BBC are going in reverse suggests you may be getting further away from, not closer to, your 2035 vision.

You're forgetting (as you always do) is that the BBC get ratings for simply being top of the EPG. A prized position they simply will not give up. The same content on BBC 1 rates higher than BBC 2. Same goes for ITV for major news coverage (when ITV did such a thing) and simulcasts of the World Cup final or major England games.

OLD BOY 02-10-2020 22:19
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052443)
My analogy is no more off the wall than your implication that there's a lot of £50 millions out there to be saved from going streaming only.

If there was you'd perhaps have a point. However it's simply not true.

The fact the BBC are going in reverse suggests you may be getting further away from, not closer to, your 2035 vision.

You're forgetting (as you always do) is that the BBC get ratings for simply being top of the EPG. A prized position they simply will not give up. The same content on BBC 1 rates higher than BBC 2. Same goes for ITV for major news coverage (when ITV did such a thing) and simulcasts of the World Cup final or major England games.
Your lack of vision is nothing short of astounding. Nothing will ever change according to your assessment. History proves you wrong. All things must pass.

As I said, the Beeb closed BBC3 prematurely, and I did say that at the time. That has been proved true.

Yes, being top of the EPG is worth a great deal.But that is now. If most of the other channels have already closed down and most people have abandoned the system we have now, what then?

Your mistake is in believing there will not be a big shift in viewing patterns over the next decade or so. If that doesn’t happen, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

But can you put your hand on your heart and say you really don’t believe that a viewer shift of this kind will never happen under any circumstances? What makes you so sure?

jfman 02-10-2020 22:40
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052458)
Your lack of vision is nothing short of astounding. Nothing will ever change according to your assessment. History proves you wrong. All things must pass.

As I said, the Beeb closed BBC3 prematurely, and I did say that at the time. That has been proved true.

Yes, being top of the EPG is worth a great deal.But that is now. If most of the other channels have already closed down and most people have abandoned the system we have now, what then?

Your mistake is in believing there will not be a big shift in viewing patterns over the next decade or so. If that doesn’t happen, I will be the first to say I was wrong.

But can you put your hand on your heart and say you really don’t believe that a viewer shift of this kind will never happen under any circumstances? What makes you so sure?
On demand didn’t kill linear, Sky+/TiVo hasn’t killed ‘live’ television. iPlayer hasn’t killed off traditional BBC viewing.

There’s been plenty of opportunities for this viewing shift that have never come to pass.

I’ve explained before, multiple times, that you have never explained how consumer behaviour changes “to zero” without Government intervention. Internet hasn’t even got 100% penetration let alone the superfast speeds needed for HD broadcasts and not everyone wants to subscribe to an expensive broadband solution for television.

Your view that most other channels closing down is bad for channels left on EPGs is a bad thing. On the contrary it’s a good thing. It is greater prominence for those that remain.

Let’s take it to an extreme and there’s ONE linear channel. Only one. You switch your TV on and it’s there. Are you telling me that Amazon, Netflix, Sky or anyone else wouldn’t fall over themselves to showcase their content there for the paltry sums it costs to broadcast? A 24 hour TV channel beamed into every household in the country. The only one? It’d be Sky Sports News on steroids.

OLD BOY 02-10-2020 23:18
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052464)
On demand didn’t kill linear, Sky+/TiVo hasn’t killed ‘live’ television. iPlayer hasn’t killed off traditional BBC viewing.

There’s been plenty of opportunities for this viewing shift that have never come to pass.

I’ve explained before, multiple times, that you have never explained how consumer behaviour changes “to zero” without Government intervention. Internet hasn’t even got 100% penetration let alone the superfast speeds needed for HD broadcasts and not everyone wants to subscribe to an expensive broadband solution for television.

Your view that most other channels closing down is bad for channels left on EPGs is a bad thing. On the contrary it’s a good thing. It is greater prominence for those that remain.

Let’s take it to an extreme and there’s ONE linear channel. Only one. You switch your TV on and it’s there. Are you telling me that Amazon, Netflix, Sky or anyone else wouldn’t fall over themselves to showcase their content there for the paltry sums it costs to broadcast? A 24 hour TV channel beamed into every household in the country. The only one? It’d be Sky Sports News on steroids.
First. We agree that streaming services have not killed off the TV channels. Yet. I have never suggested that this change will happen immediately. So why do you think this is significant?

The point I am making is that there will come a tipping point. We have not reached it yet, but give it another 5 years, and you will be ignorant or a flat earther not to notice a sea change in viewer habits.

Your scenario of one channel left...what if no-one even bothers with this mode of transmission anymore? This is a concept you seem to be unable to grasp. If you take your blinkers off, you will start to understand that people will migrate to where the best content is. People will follow the herd. But I know you have a problem with all things ‘herd’!

jfman 03-10-2020 08:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052473)
First. We agree that streaming services have not killed off the TV channels. Yet. I have never suggested that this change will happen immediately. So why do you think this is significant?

The point I am making is that there will come a tipping point. We have not reached it yet, but give it another 5 years, and you will be ignorant or a flat earther not to notice a sea change in viewer habits.

Your scenario of one channel left...what if no-one even bothers with this mode of transmission anymore? This is a concept you seem to be unable to grasp. If you take your blinkers off, you will start to understand that people will migrate to where the best content is. People will follow the herd. But I know you have a problem with all things ‘herd’!
Yet they still watch ‘live’ linear despite every Virgin and Sky customer having a recorder.

It’s not blinkers, it’s objective reality. Just because you think a technology is better, or in fact even if a technology is better, doesn’t mean the mass market will adopt it as much as you think it could, would or should.

Broadband doesn’t have 100% market penetration. Mobile phones don’t have 100% market penetration. Cable television in the early days didn’t reach 100% penetration in cabled areas when it was literally free with a phone line that was cheaper than BT. Pay-tv doesn’t have 100% market penetration.

You’ve moved the argument twice in a single post - first to viewing habits changing - nobody has ever denied this. Second - people will follow content - again nobody has denied this.

The point you still remain unable to answer is why a company wouldn’t maintain a live, linear presence in addition to streaming.

https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-deli...g-to-go-linear

“Deep pockets” Amazon are even exploring linear!

Raider999 03-10-2020 10:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052441)
It is true that there would have been a saving from not having to fill the schedules with all that pathetic filler content. What wasn’t filler was put onto BBC3 Online.

Your analogy is off the wall. BBC3 is returning as a conventional channel because it was far too early to close it down. In good time, all the Beeb’s channels will close down together and the content made available on a streamer.
Without linear channels there is nothing to justify the license fee

cheekyangus 03-10-2020 12:59
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36052483)
Without linear channels there is nothing to justify the license fee
The License Fee is primarily paying for content. How it's delivered is irrelevant, other than that it is widely available.

jfman 03-10-2020 13:05
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36052492)
The License Fee is primarily paying for content. How it's delivered is irrelevant, other than that it is widely available.
That may be technically true. However, the minute the BBC ceases to be universally available and becomes ‘opt in’, through an app or sign in service, the licence fee is politically untenable.

Mad Max 03-10-2020 20:43
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052493)
That may be technically true. However, the minute the BBC ceases to be universally available and becomes ‘opt in’, through an app or sign in service, the licence fee is politically untenable.
Spot on.

Raider999 03-10-2020 23:06
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36052492)
The License Fee is primarily paying for content. How it's delivered is irrelevant, other than that it is widely available.
No that is wrong - the license fee is payable if you are able to receive transmissions - content has nothing to do with it.

vincerooney 04-10-2020 01:35
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36052561)
No that is wrong - the license fee is payable if you are able to receive transmissions - content has nothing to do with it.
we should treasure the bbc otherwise we'll become like the USA with its news service being either massively left or right wing. you have to ask why do the likes of murdoch hate the bbc so much?

But i have no desire for anyone to reply to me and argue my own personal opinion to be honest so ill leave it at that.

Do we have any news on then peacock is launching in the UK? Will that be another squeeze on content already available on amazon/netflix?

Legendkiller2k 04-10-2020 02:48
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36052575)
we should treasure the bbc otherwise we'll become like the USA with its news service being either massively left or right wing. you have to ask why do the likes of murdoch hate the bbc so much?

But i have no desire for anyone to reply to me and argue my own personal opinion to be honest so ill leave it at that.

Do we have any news on then peacock is launching in the UK? Will that be another squeeze on content already available on amazon/netflix?
Peacock isn't launching in the UK as of yet, all original Peacock content will be on SKY.
Reminds me i have a fun 250 page document to get through when i get into work on Monday morning it is titled UHD VM *shrugs* will give more info once i've read it.

vincerooney 04-10-2020 22:48
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052577)
Peacock isn't launching in the UK as of yet, all original Peacock content will be on SKY.
Reminds me i have a fun 250 page document to get through when i get into work on Monday morning it is titled UHD VM *shrugs* will give more info once i've read it.
Enjoy the read! i'm off work for the week for my birthday...considering i'll be doing sod all because of covid in my area i'll take any scraps of info

Legendkiller2k 05-10-2020 13:35
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36052678)
Enjoy the read! i'm off work for the week for my birthday...considering i'll be doing sod all because of covid in my area i'll take any scraps of info
Not really much in that document just mostly goes on about prime uhd and Netflix uhd, also Shudder might be appearing as a app on vm and SKY, shudder isn't uhd btw it's a horror service from AMC,
Document mentions that AMC may leave BTTV in 2021 too they're not happy with the viewing figures plans to bring AMC+ to the UK.
Peacock confirms what i said most original contract will be on Comcast uk services aks SKY.

Phunkenstein 05-10-2020 14:19
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052738)
Not really much in that document just mostly goes on about prime uhd and Netflix uhd, also Shudder might be appearing as a app on vm and SKY, shudder isn't uhd btw it's a horror service from AMC,
Document mentions that AMC may leave BTTV in 2021 too they're not happy with the viewing figures plans to bring AMC+ to the UK.
Peacock confirms what i said most original contract will be on Comcast uk services aks SKY.
Very interesting about Shudder coming to Sky and VM - I’m an occasional subscriber and they are building up a really solid portfolio of exclusive and original shows & movies... getting it onto pay tv platforms could be a real boost to them.

And I wondered whether AMC would consider going D2C here following the launch of AMC+ in the US... I cannot imagine they are happy with the BT reach and with plans to expand Walking Dead after the original series ends, I would think they would want to exploit that content themselves rather than selling rights to Amazon like they have done with World Beyond. AMC own Shudder, Acorn TV and Sundance Now so curious if any potential version of AMC+ would house other brands like the US version does.

Legendkiller2k 05-10-2020 16:28
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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36052745)
Very interesting about Shudder coming to Sky and VM - I’m an occasional subscriber and they are building up a really solid portfolio of exclusive and original shows & movies... getting it onto pay tv platforms could be a real boost to them.

And I wondered whether AMC would consider going D2C here following the launch of AMC+ in the US... I cannot imagine they are happy with the BT reach and with plans to expand Walking Dead after the original series ends, I would think they would want to exploit that content themselves rather than selling rights to Amazon like they have done with World Beyond. AMC own Shudder, Acorn TV and Sundance Now so curious if any potential version of AMC+ would house other brands like the US version does.
Good call on the AMC+ hosting other AMC brands, Sundance now is another superb service some great indie movies on it too.

denphone 06-10-2020 13:22
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BT to offer 6-month free subscription to Britbox.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...eid=3598503789

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New and existing BT Broadband and BT TV customers are to be offered a six month subscription to Britbox.
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After the initial six-month period ends, customers can choose to continue paying for BritBox at £5.99/month directly through their BT bill.

ozsat 06-10-2020 14:26
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You have to subscribe via BT - so no doubt it is going to screw up the BT billing system.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36052849)
BT to offer 6-month free subscription to Britbox.

1andrew1 06-10-2020 14:54
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Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36052857)
You have to subscribe via BT - so no doubt it is going to screw up the BT billing system.
People like fewer bills to keep track of so I can see why they're doing it.

muppetman11 08-10-2020 17:19
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Glad to see my Sky Q box finally has Netflix in HDR to go along with Disney +.

Legendkiller2k 08-10-2020 18:14
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Sky vip customers can currently get Goosebumps from the sky store website, not sure about box as i did it via website.

muppetman11 08-10-2020 20:12
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36053084)
Sky vip customers can currently get Goosebumps from the sky store website, not sure about box as i did it via website.
Free on the box as well.

Phunkenstein 20-10-2020 11:04
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https://corporate.discovery.com/blog...or-uk-ireland/

DPlay to be rebranded and Sky to serve as the exclusive launch partner

cheekyangus 20-10-2020 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36054410)
https://corporate.discovery.com/blog...or-uk-ireland/

DPlay to be rebranded and Sky to serve as the exclusive launch partner
Thanks for that.

The final sentence in the press release is a key one, I think.

"discovery+ will be rolled out on additional devices and platforms in 2020 and 2021.​​"

muppetman11 20-10-2020 16:24
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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36054410)
https://corporate.discovery.com/blog...or-uk-ireland/

DPlay to be rebranded and Sky to serve as the exclusive launch partner
So I get Discovery Catch Up and certain series included with my subscription currently after the initial free 12 months I'll be expected to pay £4.99 to get the same ?

Legendkiller2k 20-10-2020 17:44
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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36054410)
https://corporate.discovery.com/blog...or-uk-ireland/

DPlay to be rebranded and Sky to serve as the exclusive launch partner
They need to improve their programming if they want people to subscribe.

Legendkiller2k 21-10-2020 21:49
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Quibiis shutting down https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/21/...QX3hxxljXI019E
Quibi — the shortform mobile-focused streaming service — is shutting down after just over six months of operation, making it one of the shortest-lived streaming services to date, according to The Wall Street Journal.

There is any number of factors that can be pointed to in unpacking Quibi’s demise: the launch of a mobile-only streaming service at the height of a global pandemic when users were stuck at home; the lack of any real breakout content that was compelling enough to tempt subscribers; or the fact that shortform video content has a nearly infinite amount of free competition in the form of YouTube, TikTok, and other platforms.

It’s not clear what will happen to the company’s lineup of expensive, star-studded original shows and shortform films after the shutdown. Earlier reports indicated that co-founder Jeffrey Katzenberg had courted Apple, WarnerMedia, and Facebook to try to acquire the beleaguered streaming company earlier this year. When those efforts failed, Katzenberg reportedly tried to get Facebook and NBCUniversal to at least pick up Quibi’s content, to no success.

OLD BOY 21-10-2020 23:17
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It was a mistake for Quibi to concentrate only on mobiles. To be successful, streamers should be on as many platforms as possible.

jfman 21-10-2020 23:30
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And utilise linear channels so people know they exist.

Don’t want to do an Eleven Sports. Interestingly Premier Sports haven’t had to collapse under the cost of Serie A and La Liga rights. DAZN Germany following this.

Mad Max 21-10-2020 23:57
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36054631)
It was a mistake for Quibi to concentrate only on mobiles. To be successful, streamers should be on as many platforms as possible.

Who?

jfman 22-10-2020 07:34
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36054634)
Who?
Exactly.

OLD BOY 22-10-2020 07:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36054634)
Who?
#8168, Max.

Legendkiller2k 29-10-2020 20:14
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Netflix rolling out more price rises only a matter of time before UK gets hit with them https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/netf...RIFgc_ZT30tDWE

jfman 29-10-2020 20:21
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36055481)
Netflix rolling out more price rises only a matter of time before UK gets hit with them https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/netf...RIFgc_ZT30tDWE
All that debt doesn’t pay itself. There’s no central bank to magic money out of nowhere from them they need consumers cold hard cash.

OLD BOY 29-10-2020 23:15
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As things stand, it’s far better value than the TV licence though.

muppetman11 31-10-2020 13:04
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36055497)
As things stand, it’s far better value than the TV licence though.
A lot of its competitors charge far less though , I accept Netflix has a far greater library of content than the likes of Apple TV + but with Apple currently looking to add older library content to mix with its new originals and a price of £4.99 Netflix have to be careful on pricing.

Aren't Apple also launching something called Apple One which starts at £14.95 and includes Apple Music , Apple Arcade , Apple TV + and icloud 50gb storage.

Legendkiller2k 31-10-2020 13:33
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36055695)
A lot of its competitors charge far less though , I accept Netflix has a far greater library of content than the likes of Apple TV + but with Apple currently looking to add older library content to mix with its new originals and a price of £4.99 Netflix have to be careful on pricing.

Aren't Apple also launching something called Apple One which starts at £14.95 and includes Apple Music , Apple Arcade , Apple TV + and icloud 50gb storage.
Yes info below taken from Techradar.

Individual includes Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, and 50GB of iCloud storage for $14.95 / £14.95 / AU$19.95 per month.
Family includes Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, and 200GB of iCloud storage for $19.95 / £19.95 / AU$25.95 per month, and can be shared among up to six family members.
Premier, where available, includes Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, Apple News+, Apple Fitness+, and 2TB of iCloud storage for $29.95 / £29.95 / AU$39.95 per month, and can be shared among up to six family members.

Legendkiller2k 09-11-2020 13:17
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Documents came through today regarding Disney+ they are considering a live channel on the Disney+ app.

jfman 09-11-2020 13:23
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36057075)
Documents came through today regarding Disney+ they are considering a live channel on the Disney+ app.
DAZN in Germany, Netflix in France, Disney+ now. I'm sure I read Amazon were considering this - possibly also Germany.

1andrew1 09-11-2020 13:40
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057078)
DAZN in Germany, Netflix in France, Disney+ now. I'm sure I read Amazon were considering this - possibly also Germany.
This linear TV idea will never catch on, mark my words. ;)

denphone 09-11-2020 14:22
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057083)
This linear TV idea will never catch on, mark my words. ;)
But miracles do happen Andrew as l have experienced them myself...;)

Legendkiller2k 09-11-2020 15:07
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057078)
DAZN in Germany, Netflix in France, Disney+ now. I'm sure I read Amazon were considering this - possibly also Germany.
Amazon technically already have live channels via Discovery addon and Eurosport in UK, the US has the likes of HBO, STARZ too, starzplay is preparing things to get the ball rolling for their live uk channel too.

1andrew1 09-11-2020 16:11
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057078)
DAZN in Germany, Netflix in France, Disney+ now. I'm sure I read Amazon were considering this - possibly also Germany.
Imposters, these companies know nothing about broadcasting, linear won't catch on. That's the problem when you have a theme park operator, a video rental store and a bookseller pretending to be broadcasters. ;)

OLD BOY 10-11-2020 11:29
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057083)
This linear TV idea will never catch on, mark my words. ;)
Linear TV within a streamer is really best for live programmes, like news and sport (with the caveat that the latency problem needs to be resolved). The BBC I-Player provides that option already.

I am sure there will be lots of experimentation with linear TV on the streamers for films, entertainment, dramas, etc, which is what Pluto does now. However, when watching by VOD really catches on, as people use streamers more and more, I would imagine that most people will turn mainly to the VOD. I mean, how many people watch linear TV on Now TV? I’m sure that some do, but it’s so much more convenient to simply pick out the very same programmes that you can watch on the live channels from VOD. Watch them when you want, uninterrupted by those pesky ads.

Human nature is always difficult to predict, and maybe there will always be those people who prefer to watch ‘channels’ as such. However if, as I suspect, only a small minority do that in the future, the streamers will come to regard this as not being worth their while.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36057252)
How would you compel a private company to operate a subscription model?
If you are talking about the BBC, simply abolish the licence fee.

spiderplant 10-11-2020 11:30
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057254)
I mean, how many people watch linear TV on Now TV? I’m sure that some do, but it’s so much more convenient to simply...
... watch it on broadcast TV instead.

1andrew1 10-11-2020 12:25
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Swedish streaming company aims to be Netflix’s main challenger in Europe

A Swedish TV streaming company is positioning itself as a European challenger to Netflix as it pushes out from its Scandinavian stronghold further into the continent and the US by offering a mix of Nordic drama and sport.

Nordic Entertainment Group (Nent) said on Tuesday it would enter Poland and the US next year, as well as the three Baltic states and five other unnamed European countries by 2023, as it seeks to compete in a global streaming market dominated by US players such as Netflix, Disney, HBO and Amazon.

Nent is also considering a secondary listing in the US to boost its visibility and allow better comparisons to other streaming companies, according to chief executive Anders Jensen.“This is, in my view, the biggest venture into streaming in Europe ever. We are defining ourselves as a growth company out of a Nordic success story,” Mr Jensen told the Financial Times.
https://www.ft.com/content/778110df-...8-c2a71aa8a5b9

Chris 11-11-2020 08:40
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
I have split BBC charter/licence discussion into a separate thread, here: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33709499

Hugh 11-11-2020 09:56
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057254)
Linear TV within a streamer is really best for live programmes, like news and sport (with the caveat that the latency problem needs to be resolved). The BBC I-Player provides that option already.

I am sure there will be lots of experimentation with linear TV on the streamers for films, entertainment, dramas, etc, which is what Pluto does now. However, when watching by VOD really catches on, as people use streamers more and more, I would imagine that most people will turn mainly to the VOD. I mean, how many people watch linear TV on Now TV? I’m sure that some do, but it’s so much more convenient to simply pick out the very same programmes that you can watch on the live channels from VOD. Watch them when you want, uninterrupted by those pesky ads.

Human nature is always difficult to predict, and maybe there will always be those people who prefer to watch ‘channels’ as such. However if, as I suspect, only a small minority do that in the future, the streamers will come to regard this as not being worth their while.

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If you are talking about the BBC, simply abolish the licence fee.
Can I ask - what are ‘channels’?

Are they like channels?

OLD BOY 11-11-2020 10:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36057256)
... watch it on broadcast TV instead.
As a Virgin customer if you want Sky Atlantic, you can’t do that.

However, my point is that if, as I suspect, we are all on IPTV in future, and you are into a service which offers a platform similar to Now TV with all your programmes set out in front of you, why would you choose to go to the live tv section? I know that some would, but I believe they would be a small minority.

It would be interesting to know the viewing patterns on Now TV, I think that would be very revealing.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057499)
Can I ask - what are ‘channels’?

Are they like channels?
Well, Hugh, some people are so pedantic, they will have a field day with terminology if the word can mean several things. Look at the fuss that cropped up over my reference to ‘linear channels’ which was the phrase being commonly used to describe the conventional broadcast channels back in the day. I was chastised for the presumed inability to understand that you can watch live TV via other platforms such as the BBC I-Player, which was not true.

That word ‘channels’ has a wider meaning than simply the broadcast TV channels, but of course you will already be aware of that, so I’m not going to indulge you. ;)

jfman 11-11-2020 11:11
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?

What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?

denphone 11-11-2020 12:16
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057510)
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?

What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?
Its like shifting sand as the sand keeps moving all the time.;)

spiderplant 11-11-2020 13:07
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057503)
As a Virgin customer if you want Sky Atlantic, you can’t do that.
No, but if you want to watch something popular like BBC1, you are unlikely to fire up NowTV or even iPlayer. You'll press 1-0-1. What could be easier?

1andrew1 11-11-2020 13:27
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057510)
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?

What about all the times you called people that watch scheduled, linear television lazy?
So, let's try and clarify what's now being predicted:
2025 100 Mb internet broadband speed available to every UK home
2035 End of terrestrial TV, cable TV and satellite TV
2̶0̶2̶5̶ ̶2̶0̶3̶5̶ TBA End of linear broadcasting

OLD BOY 11-11-2020 13:40
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36057537)
No, but if you want to watch something popular like BBC1, you are unlikely to fire up NowTV or even iPlayer. You'll press 1-0-1. What could be easier?
Yes, you would. But we are discussing a future in which the broadcast channels can o nay be accessed by IPTV. When that is the choice available, most will access on demand and the broadcast channels will get phased out.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36057510)
Is this another Old Boy shift so it’s not the end of linear television but the end of terrestrial and satellite broadcast television?
I’m not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion, but hey-ho. Enjoy playtime.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057540)
So, let's try and clarify what's now being predicted:
2025 100 Mb internet broadband speed available to every UK home
2035 End of terrestrial TV, cable TV and satellite TV
2̶0̶2̶5̶ ̶2̶0̶3̶5̶ TBA End of linear broadcasting
Just one or two minor amendments:

2025: Fast broadband speeds should be available to most homes in the country. There will be some non-spots, as there are with satellite and transmitter broadcasts, mainly in very remote areas.

2035: Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite TV either replaced or substantially replaced by IPTV.

2035: Linear broadcasting via existing TV channels replaced or substantially replaced by streaming over IPTV.

That is my vision of the future, based on what we know now. You can disagree if you want, but there is mounting evidence that this will be the case.

Hugh 11-11-2020 14:32
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?

jfman 11-11-2020 14:58
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057558)
What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?
I'm also keen to understand this.

1andrew1 11-11-2020 15:52
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Thanks. Some tedious questions around specifics.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057543)

2025: Fast broadband speeds should be available to most homes in the country. There will be some non-spots, as there are with satellite and transmitter broadcasts, mainly in very remote areas.
What's the definition of fast and what's the definition of most?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057543)
2035: Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite TV either replaced or substantially replaced by IPTV.

2035: Linear broadcasting via existing TV channels replaced or substantially replaced by streaming over IPTV.

That is my vision of the future, based on what we know now. You can disagree if you want, but there is mounting evidence that this will be the case.
What's the definition of substantially replaced?

Many thanks

OLD BOY 11-11-2020 17:14
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057558)
What’s the difference between linear channels and linear broadcasting?
You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057574)
Thanks. Some tedious questions around specifics.

What's the definition of fast and what's the definition of most?


What's the definition of substantially replaced?

Many thanks
Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!

What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.

Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.

EDIT: Just looked it up.

“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”

denphone 11-11-2020 17:26
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057596)
You know very well that I am comparing our conventional channels with broadcasts via IPTV. Why the pedantry? Let’s have discussions instead of playing games.

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Andrew, don’t be daft. You are expecting precise numbers now!

What I will say is that broadband speeds fast enough to view streaming videos should be available to all but a very small number by 2025. Hasn’t the government committed to super-fast broadband? That is my recollection, without looking it up.

Substantially replaced means just that. The vast majority, if not all.

EDIT: Just looked it up.

“ Boris Johnson’s Government has adopted a target to deliver “gigabit-capable broadband” nationwide by 2025.”
May l remind you targets are one thing but deliverance of those targets is another...


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