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I haven't had any previous experience of DA's posts (unlike some others apparently) but I am of the opinion that DA does not need converting. After reading every post on here and on iii etc. there is a certain element of woolley thinking in some posts, most likely due to this being a very emotive topic once you have fully engaged.

So far, I welcome DA's posts as they help us to focus our thoughts, sharpen our claws and remain fit for the fight, and I fully agree with you about the 'ad hominem' attacks. Although in a way that's pretty much what Kent has been doing whenever he is confronted with someone new to slag off Alex to.

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I am most concerned by the market price. Seems that kent's backers think he is still viable just significantly less cash generative.

That's my reading of the stock price anyhow's.

from a legal perspective you can argue Phorm in many ways. In principle I think it is wrong! ans should be defeated on as many perspectives as possible.

we need to remove the viabilty of the business model. What happened to the idea of caller deposit receipts and charging for copywright usage. Was the idea proved unfeasible?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Whilst I have a fair amount of technical knowledge, I am certainly not a legal expert. Therefore I expect that probably the legal experts have got it right and I have got it wrong. However, I'd like to understand why I've got it wrong. It's part of my personality that I prefer to understand than just know.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes I found it a little strange to find out that Kent has basically been going around the Houses of Parliament "slagging me off". I would have hoped he would be above school yard tactics and actually have the decency to answer the questions being asked of him as opposed to simply insulting me at every opportunity even if the questions are nothing to do with me.

That is at least the impression I have been given from at least 1 Peer and several members of the press.

Kent seems to think I am some dangerous fanatical cult leader and you are all my followers; Baroness Miller seemed quite surprised to find me dressed in a suit and well spoken as opposed to being some crazed savage frothing at the mouth.


Alexander hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The data is looked at (machine or human it does not matter) & processed, then passed to third party for use of such processed data.
The third party should not have had any contact with the data anonymized or not.

Does that help!

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It's a shame you can't get legal aid for offences like slander - I'd quite like to see him in some trouble over his ad hominem arguments

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well there are two possible way's I can think I might be wrong:

1) The processed data counts as communication data
2) The unprocessed data is made available

I think you're suggesting the former?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That's a badge of honour I'd be proud to wear.

Lets face it, if he has resorted to that kind of childish behaviour, he's running scared and is fighting to save the life of his ill-conceived mongrel of a company.

The way I see it, if he can't win over the support of a few vociferous net nerds and bloggers with considered, reasoned debate then Webwise had no merit to start with and should have been consigned to the slop-bucket from the start.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It could be both if the profiler itself was also deemed to be an interception of the data stream.

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I think the tricky bit is the use of the word interception. I'm not using it in any dictionary sense. I'm using it in the context of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act. So to convince me that the profiler is intercepting the data stream you'll have to refer to parts of the act and state how each bit relates to phorm.

Perhaps I've missed some important clause. Or maybe I've failed to see how it could be applied in a particular way to a particular part of the phorm system. Please do enlighten me :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry for being a bit behind in the thread but it's been a busy day. A couple of important things to remember...

On the subject of peoples legal opinions it's important to note that the various parties mentioned in this thread that have given a legal opinion have gone to great lengths to detail which laws they think this system violates and why they violate them. BT/Phorm simply say "it's legal, our advisors said so". They give no basis for this legal opinion or explanation why they think that others detailed opinion is incorrect.

On the subject of Polls and Surveys, the various polls that have been released and show that the public is NOT in favour of behavioural advertising, specify the number of people polled and give details of the responses to specific questions. BT/Phorm simply say "our survey says that the public want it overwhelmingly" without providing any details of the questions asked or the numbers polled.

It all comes back to transparency (not BT's definition) and honesty.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Absolutely, this campaign has always been fantastic, lets keep it going.

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The question is is the profiler needed in order to ensure communication between the two parties & whether the profiler is illegally gathering the information, but I am no expert & others with far more expert legal minds think it is more than likely illegal.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...1-ch1-pb1-l1g1

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I have been catching up with the the previous 24 hours postings in the thread. I was reading the Lords questions session at the previously posted link :http://www.publications.parliament.u...ldtoday/02.htm however, I cannot find the section relating to internet privacy that a lot of posts were referring to and discussing. The transcript appears to jump from 11.12 to 11.19 Has it been removed?

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