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Mr Banana 19-04-2014 22:58
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
[QUOTE=Jimi;35690442]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35690438)
Ok, there's a few scots people on here but only one who seems so sure that the yes vote will win. Bit of a rough and ready poll but does give an indication.

You mention forums that you frequent but it looks like a place where football hooligans hide.

To be quite frank Jimi if it wasn't for other people I know in Scotland I really wish you would get your way and then you could all celebrate in your own mire that you created.

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Do you vote Tory,a very simple question.
If so,are you in with all those posh snobs like Osbourne,Johnson,Gove etc etc who are amongst the most despicable creatures God put on this planet.
Then again,they can take us all for a ride now,can't they !!! :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603972/Watchdog-investigates-claims-gay-sex-party-Conservative-Party-conference-funded-taxpayer.html
Have voted for both main parties over the years, not quite sure why you would call those people despicable creatures, what about Blair and all the blood on his hands.

You are starting to sound a bit extreme now Jimi, time to stop watching brave heart.

Sirius 19-04-2014 23:10
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
[QUOTE=Top banana;35690448]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35690442)

Have voted for both main parties over the years, not quite sure why you would call those people despicable creatures, what about Blair and all the blood on his hands.

You are starting to sound a bit extreme now Jimi, time to stop watching brave heart.
That film was proved to be as inaccurate as the best SNP video i have seen so far :LOL:

Kabaal 20-04-2014 07:09
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
We're seriously considering moving south of the border if the vote does go the Yes route. Half of our family is down in London and York and at this time in our lives we really don't feel like being experimented upon by a bunch of politicians on a power trip, especially when they come across so clueless that there's a very good chance they will completely balls everything up within 10 years.

Thankfully it's unlikely they'll get their way but if they do my loyalty is to my family not to some idea that our tiny island should be fractured into a shadow of itself by political mindgames that belong in the past.

Will21st 20-04-2014 11:05
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
As a proud Jock I strongly oppose the Yes vote... what a stupid Idea.Better together indeed! (Am I doing the bullying right?) ;)

Hugh 20-04-2014 11:06
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Interesting article about the potential impact on those who would be classified as "cross-border" workers should Independence come about....

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...nsions-workers
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Accountants warn a yes vote will spark concerns over double taxation (new treaties would need to be signed very quickly), issues over residence, and which country has taxing rights. Some even believe that England will become a destination for Scots seeking to avoid higher tax rates north of the border. "A tax haven could be a train ride away – and it seems more likely that will be from Edinburgh to Berwick rather than from Hampshire to Glasgow," says Douglas Connell of Scottish lawyers and tax specialists Turcan Connell. Clients, he adds, are already concerned about capital taxes, such as inheritance tax, and might flee south if a Conservative government in England cuts IHT while Scotland maintains or increases it.

Residence is the key principle in personal taxation. Anyone deemed as resident in the UK is taxable on their worldwide income. The same would almost certainly apply if Scotland goes independent; residents would pay tax to Revenue Scotland on their earnings worldwide, including England and Wales. But income may also be taxed locally (through PAYE in England or Scotland), then be liable for tax again in the resident's country (whether that be Scotland or England), with workers caught in self assessment in both countries, and employers burdened with highly complex payroll issues.

A person resident in England for more than 183 days is automatically England-resident. But those who work sufficient hours in Scotland (at least 35 a week) are automatically resident in Scotland. So the Berwick-upon-Tweed resident could find him or herself resident in both countries for tax purposes. Baker Tilly tax partner, Andrew Hubbard, says the UK has 120 double taxation agreements and an independent Scotland would need to urgently draw up a similar number – crucially with the English.

Britain's only international land border is between Northern Ireland and the Republic, and it provides the likely template. Accountants in Newry and Dundalk, accustomed to dealing with cross-border workers, talk about individuals fined over self-assessment failures, companies dealing with complex payroll problems, and practical difficulties dealing with VAT, inheritance tax, CGT and corporation tax – but happily admit that it creates a "bonanza" for their trade.

Mr Angry 20-04-2014 11:53
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35690493)
Britain's only international land border is between Northern Ireland and the Republic, and it provides the likely template. Accountants in Newry and Dundalk, accustomed to dealing with cross-border workers, talk about individuals fined over self-assessment failures, companies dealing with complex payroll problems, and practical difficulties dealing with VAT, inheritance tax, CGT and corporation tax – but happily admit that it creates a "bonanza" for their trade.
This.

Clearly this is entirely doable in the event that the vote goes the way of the yes campaign.

EDIT:

An interesting comment on the Guardian page.

"Complexity upon complexity - but no examination of how international tax arrangements are managed elsewhere in Europe and globally. Only in Scotland, it seems, are the problems insurmountable and the consequences horrific.
This article is simply more mudslinging from the Better Together media - ineffectual, trite propaganda.
No surprises there."

Mr Pharmacist 20-04-2014 13:34
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35690502)

An interesting comment on the Guardian page.

"Complexity upon complexity - but no examination of how international tax arrangements are managed elsewhere in Europe and globally. Only in Scotland, it seems, are the problems insurmountable and the consequences horrific.
This article is simply more mudslinging from the Better Together media - ineffectual, trite propaganda.
No surprises there."
That comment could also be construed as "mudslinging" towards the Better Together backers from a clear yes supporter. So there's no surprises there either.

Chris 20-04-2014 14:24
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35690502)
This.

Clearly this is entirely doable in the event that the vote goes the way of the yes campaign.

EDIT:

An interesting comment on the Guardian page.

"Complexity upon complexity - but no examination of how international tax arrangements are managed elsewhere in Europe and globally. Only in Scotland, it seems, are the problems insurmountable and the consequences horrific.
This article is simply more mudslinging from the Better Together media - ineffectual, trite propaganda.
No surprises there."
Heavens to murgatroyd ... a Disqus comment thread is the last place I'd be quoting from ... ever, for any reason.

Only in a Guardianista's wettest wet dream does the European Union already have the kind of integration that would make it a useful analogy with the theoretical situation were Scotland and the UK to become separate nation states.

Mr Angry 20-04-2014 14:47
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35690530)
Heavens to murgatroyd ... a Disqus comment thread is the last place I'd be quoting from ... ever, for any reason.
It's the posters opinion Chris, and like it or not it's as valid as yours or mine. It was referenced as "an interesting comment", nothing more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35690530)
Only in a Guardianista's wettest wet dream does the European Union already have the kind of integration that would make it a useful analogy with the theoretical situation were Scotland and the UK to become separate nation states.
Your opinion does not, of course, change the fact, as the article states, that Northern Ireland is already managing this very same situation and is the most likely template in the event that there is a majority yes vote.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35690521)
That comment could also be construed as "mudslinging" towards the Better Together backers from a clear yes supporter. So there's no surprises there either.
Quite.

Osem 20-04-2014 15:16
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35690492)
As a proud Jock I strongly oppose the Yes vote... what a stupid Idea.Better together indeed! (Am I doing the bullying right?) ;)
:tu:

Good to see you posting again mate.

Damien 20-04-2014 16:17
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...ides-1-3382125

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ALEX Salmond is on the brink of securing a historic victory in the referendum, according to an exclusive poll suggesting Yes Scotland needs a swing of just over 2 per cent to win independence.

A landmark ICM survey for today’s Scotland on Sunday reveals a decline in the No vote from 46 per cent to 42 per cent over the past month. Over the same period, the Yes vote has remained steady at 39 per cent, resulting in a significant tightening of the gap between the two sides.
Worrying :/

Osem 20-04-2014 16:29
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
When the chips are down, I reckon minds will be far more focussed on the stark realities which Salmond's glossed over. There'll be no going back from a Yes vote, it's not like it can be undone at the next election. It's final.

martyh 20-04-2014 16:35
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35690569)
When the chips are down, I reckon minds will be far more focussed on the stark realities which Salmond's glossed over. There'll be no going back from a Yes vote, it's not like it can be undone at the next election. It's final.
We could always invade ....again ,or better still get Russia to do it for us

Mr Pharmacist 20-04-2014 16:52
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35690565)



Worrying :/
I don't think so Damien. Salmond held a big rally last week so to me the poll has just been inflated by some who have read the headlines from it. Once reality kicks in it'll be back to normal. Considering the Better Together campaign has been, in my opinion, rather slow out of the blocks (apart from it's "Bullying" that is) I don't see it as worrying at all. The sensible Scots out there will vote the logical and correct way for their future. And that way ain't the Salmond way.

Hugh 20-04-2014 17:02
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 
To be fair, as Prof. John Curtice states
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it is the highest Yes vote in a poll that has not been commissioned by a partisan organisation.”
It's also interesting that another poll, for the Sunday Post (by Survation) on the same date, has different results
Quote:
The poll by Survation, conducted last week, now puts the overall Yes vote on 38%, up one point from a poll by the same firm published on April 7, and the No camp on 46%, down one point from the last poll, with the Don’t Knows at 16%.

Once the Don’t Knows are stripped out, the Yes vote stands at 45%, up two points from the last Survation poll, and the No vote stands at 55%, down two points from the last poll.


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