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Pretty sure the "public" is actually more than one person.
Plenty of activities were restricted, unless you now believe the "restrictions" actually restricted nothing.

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Nobody is disputing that the public is more than one person, however if one considers restrictions in a balanced (as opposed to in an ideological) way it represented a far more open economy than the various levels of restrictions that preceded it.

The long suffering public could equally be attributed to those being denied routine healthcare and treatments because of the decision to run the pandemic at close to maximum NHS capacity in the hope for an economic outcome that will never be realised. ONS surveys have 91% of those who were clinically extremely vulnerable still restricting their activities, and passenger surveys have the number of commuters at approx 50% of the normal levels. None of that creates a better healthcare or economic outcome if consumers continue to self-select their way out of the economy.

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Can you provide a link, please, to these predictive models, as the SAGE papers I have found only seem to have indicative scenarios (not "predictions", their words*) about hospitalisations.

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._scenarios.pdf

There’s nothing in the SAGE Minutes about zero level infections around December/January

https://assets.publishing.service.go...96_minutes.pdf

The Imperial College paper (part of the SAGE papers) - Autumn and Winter 2021-2022: potential COVID-19 epidemic trajectories states

https://assets.publishing.service.go...al_College.pdf * These trajectories are not predictions or forecasts, but indicative scenarios as the timings and scale of any future peaks remain highly uncertain

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In fairness to OB he made his statement (not prediction) based on these graphs. They certainly look close to zero following plan A rather than plan B for November through July.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1636132489

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indicative scenarios Just the same guesswork then . . wrapped up in even more sparkly glitter paper to make the words seem more important than they are :D

It's like gambling isn't it . . study the form, analyse the course and weather conditions, shove £20 on to win . . . horse comes 5th

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But where is the source that outlines the underlying assumptions? Because if it’s the same model I saw in the Mail (which it looks very much like) it projects people “remaining cautious” for a year, with the alternative being Plan B plus a return to 2019 activity in three months.

Comparing apples with oranges.

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It's common sense to suggest now that restrictions - even Plan B type - will just push the peak later, which to an extent, we can't necessarily keep doing.


In England there are now very few legal restrictions and even recommendations relating to covid. Cases still continue to fall (another big drop today) despite schools being back for a week. As they did in July and August before they went back again.


It seems indicative that actually they were right to basically open up in July and get some immunity in before the winter. We may be seeing this now, against the backdrop of it rising again, or we may see it do this again over the winter. Or we can restrict again and let the virus just come back again when it's lifted.

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Here’s the Source paper - the pre-pandemic baseline was about population mobility, not about zero infections. The is nothing in the Sky article about "zero infections".

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._scenarios.pdf

If you look at the data table on page 4, it shows a substantial increase in the number of forecast infections in all the modelled scenarios.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1636136771

Even the most conservative model shows an additional 1.6 million infections in the period Jan 2022-Sept 2022.

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Graphs from the start. ONS figures.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59181370

Its not 100% clear but I think all this means is you can use the booking system earlier (after 5 months).

However, the actual booking must still be 6 months after your last jab.
Before, you could not even use the booking system until 6 months had passed.

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It’s says in the article we can book from Monday, but I just checked, and I can book today for Friday 19th November (last jab was on 21st May).

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Had the booster this afternoon. 7 months since the last vaccination.

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Good news. Did you manage to get it done locally?

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:tu: Much better to do it today than wait for the Monday website crash. Just booked myself in for the 17th. I also had my last one on 21st May.

edit: Just booked my flu jab for this Monday too. No need to wait for the GP to contact you apparently

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How was your arm, any after effects?

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Why you shouldn’t trust the Daily Telegraph on COVID…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1636237959

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LOL, I had to look twice at that to figure out your point. :D

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I just tried as well and was able to book for later in November.

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Mine won't be this year if they're sticking to anything like the original timescales.

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Booked for 26th November - we’ve got various childminding/social things the previous week, and just in case of an slight adverse reaction, doing it at a time that we don’t have anything on (and my wife is having her shot in a different day, so we’re both not laid up at the same time, just in case).

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I know this may sound a tad daft and soppy, and even though I don't know anyone here in real life, it does make me feel happy knowing that people who I know in this virtual community have survived the pandemic and are now getting their booster shots.

OK, feeling embarrassed by my Sunday morning musings I shall exit stage left. :D

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I got my booster last Monday, Hugh, and maybe I'm lucky but had no adverse reaction from it, in fact, I've never had any adverse reaction from the previous two jabs either, hopefully, you and the missus are the same.

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Slightly stiff but not an issue.:)

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Aren't they just giving everyone a shot of Pfizer now, so a 1st to go with 2 AZs or a 3rd Pfizer depending on what you had before?


Also, I thought the sore arm was just because of having an injection. Mine was sore the day after, a bit more the 2nd time (which I actually felt them doing unlike the 1st) but only mildly-annoying so (even when playing the organ the day after the 1st).

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Boosters are Pfizer or Moderna.

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Well my main jabs were Pfizer, so hopefully the booster will be as well.
I had no reactions to J1 or J2. Mines a couple of days before Hugh (on the 24th).

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The sore arm is inflammation caused by the vaccine. They use a very fine needle so jab itself should be painless unless they made a right cods of it.

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It was reported to me about a risk of pericarditis for pacemaker users receiving Pfizer booster but a brief google can't find exact details other than a known side effect on some younger males. I am male and while I like to think of myself as "younger" I really don't fit into that category any more.

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Still have a slightly sore arm from Saturday's booster but that's it.

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It mostly affects young males, but not exclusively. But it's rare.

Lots of info on the subject if you dig about here:
https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellte...y=pericarditis


Had flu jab this morning. Felt nothing at the time, but headache and strange taste in mouth kicked in about 10 minutes later. Now slowly dissipating.

Re: Coronavirus
 

The idiots are at it again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59208984

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I get mine the 15th at a local chemist. It would have let me book today but 6 months isn't up till Saturday. The boosters could be happening every 6 months I reckon

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Are you looking forward to jabs 4-5 and 6......

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OK . . who's bought shares in the vaccine manufacturers?

Looks like a better return than Bitcoin if Covid is here to stay :erm:

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We may not get any further jabs, depending on whether the population has gained a sufficient amount of immunity which is regularly topped up with reinfections.

This assumes no new variants that are of sufficient concern to take further vaccination measures.

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there's money still to be made so vaccines will continue for the foreseeable future.

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Rubbish.

Plans are afoot for annual vaccinations. Given efficacy for the first two rapidly declines after six months there's no reason to expect a third to provide infinite immunity.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I agree, it'll be an annual vaccination just like the flu jab.

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if they are needed then I do not mind

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to many anti vaxxers so there will be variants and come on this virus is not acting normally immunity appears to wane quite quickly meaning people can get it 2 maybe even 3 times a year. I know people had it twice already

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No oxymorons, Seph. I think it was a scientist on the radio who was talking about just relying on the circulation of Covid to keep immune systems topped up.

This article touches on it, but is not optimistic that this can be achieved in the short term. But as yet, we don’t know for sure. With the vaccinations protecting us, there will no longer be drastic consequences due to natural infection or re infection, so you could rely on that to avoid the need for constant re-vaccinations.


[EXTRACT FROM British Medical Journal]

Antibodies and reinfection
Over time covid-19 could become a disease first encountered in early childhood, when it would typically cause mild infection or none at all, Jennie Lavine, an infectious disease researcher at Emory University in Atlanta, USA, told Nature. Although that defence would wane quickly and not be sufficient to block reinfection entirely, it could be enough to protect adults experiencing severe symptoms.

Scientists consider this scenario likely because it matches four existing endemic coronaviruses—OC43, 229E, NL63, and HKU1—but it is not certain. A large study has shown that levels of neutralising antibodies start to decline after around six to eight months after infection with SARS-CoV-2.2 If a new infection arises, memory B cells can manufacture antibodies and T cells that can eliminate virus infected cells, but it has yet to be established whether this immune memory can block viral reinfection.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yeah let's keep it circulating killing off the vulnerable elderly and sick. .Top idea

Re: Coronavirus
 

I don't think you'll ever get rid of it, so in effect, it will keep circulating.

Re: Coronavirus
 

In fairness to Old Boy killing off the people not immune does improve population level immunity. So the statistics behind the claim are sound.

The rest of the claim is, as ever, speculative nonsense from someone who disagreed with any kind of intervention. So why would he approve of vaccination on an ongoing basis?

Re: Coronavirus
 

The Covid 19 virus is one of many respiratory diseases that can kill off those suffering with these conditions.

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Your summary of my position on this is far off the truth, jfman, but we are used to your deliberate misinterpretations. I don’t have the hours in the day to keep correcting you, so I will let you continue to have your fun. For now.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I’m not really sure what you mean OB. Your original stance was to let it rip. When vaccines were in development your attitude was to let it rip. Now vaccines are being deployed with waning efficacy your attitude is to give people 2/3 doses then let it rip.

A sociopathic disregard for human life and scientific achievement.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I too disagree with letting it rip until it's not going to cause a large number of unmanageable hospitalisations and deaths, but it does have to be the end game.


Whenever you flatten the curve you still have to have the end result the same. So you're delaying the outcome... and delaying it... and delaying it.


Now, you can go totally all out on it like Aus and NZ do, but we saw in Aus that eventually became unworkable.


Or you can go out on it for a while, like most countries have done, and either shield or vaccinate the most at risk before opening up again in a controlled manner, yes this inevitably leads to a higher baseline of infection but gives those people immunity which is long term beneficial.


It's really Canute-style logic to suggest a virus can be stopped in its tracks by NPIs. At some point you'll get a resurgence unless everyone lives like hermits until the end of time - and that isn't really living. No solution is ideal so you just have to protect the vulnerable as much as you can and allow everyone else to get on with life.


We're over a week after the kids went back now and still day on day (compared with the same day the previous week) infections are continuing to fall, this is with everything open, and realistically we are now at the point where we would be beginning to see the effect of the little sprogs being back now, considering secondary kids were by far and away the group most affected before then, so we may well be reaching the immunity levels to stop this spreading there, which will be good.


All this with no real formal covid restrictions in England for many months, an open society, an open economy with the capability to enjoy things almost to pre-pandemic levels. Actually I think in general the countries who have been a bit less prescriptive with restrictions are now faring better. I notice Austria and Germany are struggling again, and most of Europe is now following an opposite trend to the UK. Mainly because suppression always has an exit wave and Johnson/Javid with no doubt the blessing of Whitty and Vallance decided to get this out of the way in the summer. In the long term we won't know whether this paid off but at the moment it's looking rather good.

Re: Coronavirus
 

You are making a point separate from the one I’m making.

My point was that vaccination on an ongoing basis will be part of managing the situation - OB’s original point that this will not be required on the basis of a dubious scientist he heard on the radio. The reality is that other countries are already recognising the need for boosters for all. Something we will presumably do once we have adequate supplies of mRNA vaccines.

Countries aren’t ordering enough for 3-4x their population so they can generously gift them to other countries. They’re making sure they have first dibs in the next round.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Or indeed something more specific than targeting the spike protein.


I don't think we can read into the future enough to tell.


If it ends up like flu where we give vaccines to those at risk, that's manageable, and probably a worst case scenario in reality.


Maybe it will take a year or two with the existing vaccines or better vaccines to get to this point, or maybe we will have enough natural immunity, we can't tell.

Re: Coronavirus
 

There’s already data from Brazil and Iran showing that infection induced immunity doesn’t last long term.

Our (UK) Pfizer order for the second half of 2022 is 35 million doses. That’s on top of 60m ordered in April and 40m prior to that. This isn’t decision making by chance.

The US and EU orders are for billions of doses. In excess of 4 per citizen.

Re: Coronavirus
 

It will probably be available annually, for some.
There will probably be less take-up as time goes on.

The flu is also annual because so many variations exist.
Afaik, there are less covid variants knocking about [atm].

Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Please watch the vid before ya say its bad.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F37KsLA4CPI

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

What on earth is it about ?
At 18+ minutes, I doubt most people are going to watch it.

Re: Coronavirus
 

If you recall, the original scientific advice was to allow the virus to run through the population, a proposition that was quickly reversed when they saw how quickly it was infecting people.

At that time, the alternative would have been lockdown after lockdown after lockdown for many years, which as even you must be aware by now, serves only to slow the virus down. It does not eliminate it.

Only the immunisation programme has enabled us to use different tactics to fight the virus.

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No, jfman, I said we MAY not need any more jabs. It depends what happens next.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yet you held this flawed stance for much longer, citing without any evidence whatsoever that it may go away in the summer.

If there is the collective will it can eliminate it as demonstrated by countries who had in their own domestic population. The absence of collective will globally, and availability of vaccines, has changed the game.

Yet even as late as October last year with a number of vaccines moving through clinical trials you retained your, purely speculative, position.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=185

For someone who 25% of their input into the forum is crystal ball gazing citing your speculation on the future of the television as “inevitable” I’m quite surprised how frequently said crystal ball has been faulty over Covid.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Both my parents now have had a positive PCR test, both been double vaccinated with a booster! They're suffering cold like symptoms with a bad head, hopefully it won't get worse.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Maybe it wouldn't be bad if we were all Africans. But we aren't.

As per post title: "Africa has the lowest caseload in the world"

Basically cases in Africa are low and falling, despite very low vaccination rates.
Possibly Africans have some natural immunity due to similar coronaviruses having already circulated.

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Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Seriously?Look at who is posting. ;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yes, and that is what was happening. However, as I have reminded you on several occasions, what happened later was that the more infectious Kent variant struck. That is what changed things and that is why the government’s position on Christmas freedom had to change.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Well, there is a possible school of thought (which may turn out to be bunkum) that previous exposure and immunity to other coronaviruses helps with this one.


I think the case load in Africa is probably due to other factors though. Given the lifestyle in a lot of the countries, due to previous or current poverty etc, they presumably have a much younger population than the likes of the EU, UK, US etc, and fewer older people with underlying health conditions (likely because they have unfortunately already succumbed to them) so if you're looking at say the top risk groups for vaccinations/people getting boosters now, they will probably have fewer of those to start off with. Also, given that covid has a variety of symptoms and in its severe case is basically a viral pneumonia, indeed if people who get it have any symptoms at all, it's likely a lot of infections which were contracted were either not detected due to the symptoms being either minimal or non-existent, and/or due to lack of testing, in all possibility they also wouldn't either have locked down or been able to do so as effectively (which was indeed an argument cited for India). The access to testing you'd imagine would be much less than in other countries too and it took us a while to get mass testing available quickly. So a lot of people there had probably already had it - which is a figure we don't know for anywhere, given that the "first wave" peak of cases was probably as high as the "second wave" but not picked up due to lack of mass testing, when you look at the hospitalisations and deaths the figures are similar there.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I don’t think you have taken in the hostility of populations to continual lockdowns under the Zero Covid approach, such as in Australia, where the government has acknowledged it got it wrong and should have concentrated on vaccinations as a means of controlling the virus.

This is what you get when you have the zero tolerance approach, as is the case in China.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...sk-warns-mark/

[EXTRACT]
China's zero-Covid strategy is at risk of derailing the global economy and driving up inflation, the former Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has warned amid fears of mass factory closures in the run-up to Christmas.

He urged the Communist country to reconsider its approach to Covid after a handful of cases triggered the shutdown of entire cities and pushed the world’s second biggest economy towards recession.

Mr Carney told an LBC podcast that China will have to “evolve or pivot” towards managing the disease through vaccinations, adding: “There are real economic consequences of a hard, zero Covid policy that is maintained.”

Mark Williams, head of Asia at Capital Economics, said China was at risk of a technical recession after the summer shutdowns wiped an estimated 5pc off its economy between July and September.

Mr Carney, who is now the United Nations' climate change envoy, said that a failure to change course would have serious global consequences given China's role as the world's workshop and biggest exporter of goods.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

https://healthpolicy-watch.org/africa-covid-caseload/



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But people said at the time letting the virus infect more people would increase the likelihood of variants occurring, and lo and behold, this happened…

The thing you keep quoting as unforeseeable was very foreseeable.

Re: Coronavirus
 

So you are trying to take this thread off topic by talking about the future of television. Typical distraction technique which I have noticed elsewhere on this forum when people are losing the argument.

My contributions to this forum on various subjects has always been based on evidence I have picked up and think to be correct. You just either use different evidence (the scientists are by no means consistent) or you just want to argue.

Re: Coronavirus
 

You do realise comparing your discussions on one subject is relevant to your discussions on another - stop trying to stifle critiques by crying "off topic" every time you are challenged.

If you have an issue with what you think are off topic discussions, feel free to report it, and it will be considered by the Mods & Admins - it’s not your role in this forum to decide what is or isn’t off topic.

Re: Coronavirus
 

:tu:

Re: Coronavirus
 

So you didn’t back the science then and you don’t back it now?

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There was nothing wrong with the approach, and the vast majority of the Australian population have enjoyed less restrictions for longer than areas of the UK since March 2020.

Vaccinations have indeed offered an alternative.

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Covid going away in the summer of 2020 despite it circulating already in countries with temperatures warmer than north/central European summer?

Re: Coronavirus
 

I’m not reporting it, I am simply saying that I know the game that is being played here. The person starts to realise they may be losing the argument and so changes the subject.

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Covid seems to be capable of raging whether it is hot or cold, jfman. This isn’t flu, you know! :D

Re: Coronavirus
 

It’s not a game OB to quote your own posts since March 2020 which have shown you to consistently be incorrect on Covid pushing many, sometimes contradictory, narratives.

Your claim that regular boosters will not be required is evidenced nowhere. Merely the same hopeless optimism that gets proven incorrect over time. If anything, the UK needs to quickly acknowledge the waning efficacy of all vaccines and approve a booster for all 18+. Something even Australia has done.

Given your previous concern for the state of vaccination in Australia I must have missed your rush to commend them on their rollout, and concern that we aren’t following suit.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...a#post36084638

Re: Coronavirus
 

I have not claimed that regular boosters won’t be required. I said they may not be required. Twisting everything I say, as usual.

There are two schools of thought. One is that the virus will be circulating for a while yet, but following the two jabs and booster, the population may continue to be protected as the virus circulates and keeps our immune systems topped up, thus giving us protection without the need to give any further vaccines to the healthy population.

The other is that this will not be sufficient and that vaccinations may be needed well into the future.

These possibilities are both based on what the scientists are saying and I am not saying which is correct because at this stage, nobody really knows.

Re: Coronavirus
 

There are not two schools of thought.

There’s evidence led science that shows immunity from both vaccination and infection wanes over time. There’s also speculation, without evidence, to the contrary.

To give both equal weight exemplifies the problem you’ve encountered in this debate throughout that something you read on the internet or heard on the radio must be credible. This is not the case.

Re: Coronavirus
 

It's a basic media literacy issue - giving equal weight to two opposing opinions in the supposed interests of balance, without doing any research on the robustness or otherwise of the sources behind those opinions.

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Re: Coronavirus
 

One of my favourites, closely followed by 'warm feet'

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Well I did click that link with some trepidation, but it turned out to be a video by the excellent Dr John Campbell, so I thought it warranted a response.

A valid point, but massive underreporting isn't exclusive to Africa. As it happens, DJC also covered that a few days ago.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Very good! Funny, slightly edgy but with a serious message.

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Homeopathic medicine.

https://www.healthline.com/health/ti...out-homeopathy

Re: Coronavirus
 

Best of luck to them :tu:

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:tu:

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Yes usually with an expert on one side and a berk of the street on the other but in the interests of balance both have to be heard :spin:

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

So basically they think "It surely cant be that low, so lets take a guess", and we all know how good "models" are.

Africa (and many places) may be under reporting, but the WHO has no actual evidence to say its 7 times.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Try this. (You'll need to register)
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...aths-estimates

Re: Coronavirus
 

Bearing in mind that Africa is hot, most people live outdoors or have well ventilated homes/offices and there's very little public transport. The opportunities for the virus to spread may well be limited.

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The missus got her booster appointment. The other side of the city, no parking anywhere, and 3 buses to get with a few hundred yards, and right in the middle of the rush hour.

Our daughter spent 37 minutes on hold until she tried to get the venue moved to Tesco, 200 yards from us.

"Tesco is fully booked. They and the independent pharmacies want all their slots filled every day to make ends meet" (i.e. make the most profit).

The guy on the phone offered her another place, 15 miles away in the early evening! The 2 other places she has been to are not offering the jab she is scheduled to have.

He has now passed her case to a supervisor, but is doubtful the venue can be changed.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Thats not going to happen (registration).

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Why not just book your [her] own ?
We all use the NHS site to book ours.
You can change or cancel on their system as well.

Thank you...... I didnt have to register,it showed me the article straight away..

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Didn't help me Paul.I kept being offered places miles away.I was even offered the Isle of Wight. Would have meant driving to a IoW ferry departure point that would deposit me near to the site.Ridiculous! Eventually I walked to my surgery and they gave me a number to ring and the very nice young woman managed to get me an appointment at the next nearest surgery to my residence.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

That's NHS England. Not applicable for NHS Wales.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

The system in Wales is that they invite you by letter for the jabs. Unless you are in the lower age groups who can do walk-ins.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I received a text from my surgery with a link to book my booster there.

A week later (2 days before attending my already booked booster appointment) I received a text from the NHS with a link to book my booster through them . . . what a shambles.

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Trust Wales to be different.

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Why is it a shambles ?
The NHS system is not going to know you have a local appointment.

Besides which its better to be told twice than not at all.

Re: Coronavirus
 

oh . . well I (wrongly assumed it seems) that the NHS - with it's expensive and powerful computer records system - would have been updated by someone/something in the 6 days between an appointment being booked and their text to me.

Obviously a crap system eh, which probably explains a lot, not just with Covid :p:

Re: Coronavirus
 

There isn’t a "system", there are multiple Primary Care (GP) systems, and numerous different systems in Hospitals and Secondary Care areas.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

tl:dr - the NHS (and it’s systems) isn’t a huge homogeneous monolithic business, it’s a conglomeration of hundreds/thousands smaller organisations, each of which has developed its own processes & systems over the last 70 odd years.

tl:dr even more - there isn’t a simple solution to a very complex problem

Re: Africa has the lowest caseload in the world
 

Or Scotland

Re: Coronavirus
 

Remember our "world beating" vaccination programme?

Aged like milk ..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEAONOxX...jpg&name=small

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yeah but them stats are all down to those who have refused the jab. As a country it has been offered almost everyone but we live in a free country

Re: Coronavirus
 

So, when was it that Chris posted that we were ahead of nearly everyone in Europe?

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the vaccination program from the start was ahead of the rest of the EU and maybe still is. Jab rejection does not mean the program has failed it just means we have a lot of selfish people in this country

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yes, I understand that, the point I was making was that at the time of the post made by Chris, we may well have been ahead of nearly everyone in Europe.

Re: Coronavirus
 

It is not how you start the race, it is how your finish it.

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When did it finish?