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Legendkiller2k 07-09-2020 01:09

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Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36048859)
The Boys does on the PS4 but not the V6. Looks like it could be device specific

Yeah it does on the Nvidia shield too.

johnasimmons 07-09-2020 08:21

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Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36048857)
Just watched The Boys on Amazon Prime through my V6 and noticed other languages were not forced translating. Anyone else finding this problem using the V6. PS4 does it automatically.


I've noticed this on quite a few Amazon progs - The Man In The High Castle is the same...

heavyside 07-09-2020 09:11

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Amazon Prime TV is a mess. If it wasn't for the same day/next day deliveries in London I would not subscribe at all.

SnoopZ 07-09-2020 10:17

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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36048880)
Amazon Prime TV is a mess. If it wasn't for the same day/next day deliveries in London I would not subscribe at all.

Why is it a mess for you, what's your issue as I've never had any issues using it via a Firestick?

cupcakes aka dd 07-09-2020 10:30

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I’ve unregistered my prime account from the V6 until this issue is sorted and will use the PS4. I reckon I’ve sat through other programmes blissfully unaware that translation was available

heavyside 07-09-2020 11:24

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36048888)
Why is it a mess for you, what's your issue as I've never had any issues using it via a Firestick?

My biggest gripe is finding content. Much of the included content is mixed up with the pay-for content and it is all poorly categorized.

SnoopZ 07-09-2020 12:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36048899)
My biggest gripe is finding content. Much of the included content is mixed up with the pay-for content and it is all poorly categorized.

There seems to be 2 different apps on the Firestick for this, if i start up my Firestick then content is mixed up but if i then click on 'Prime Video' app along the top there is a button to click on 'Free To Me' and it looks like this removes all the paid stuff from listings.

No idea how it looks on the V6 but on the Firestick this would solve your problem.

Chris 07-09-2020 12:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36048905)
There seems to be 2 different apps on the Firestick for this, if i start up my Firestick then content is mixed up but if i then click on 'Prime Video' app along the top there is a button to click on 'Free To Me' and it looks like this removes all the paid stuff from listings.

No idea how it looks on the V6 but on the Firestick this would solve your problem.

That’s a neat feature on the Firestick that sadly doesn’t exist on all implementations of Prime Video. It doesn’t exist on Samsung Smart TVs for example. IIRC it appeared on the Firestick a couple of months ago when they rolled out the multiple profiles feature.

SnoopZ 07-09-2020 12:56

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36048914)
That’s a neat feature on the Firestick that sadly doesn’t exist on all implementations of Prime Video. It doesn’t exist on Samsung Smart TVs for example. IIRC it appeared on the Firestick a couple of months ago when they rolled out the multiple profiles feature.

I need to start using it to get rid of all the paid stuff.

I can't see them having this on the V6.

Joedm45 07-09-2020 13:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36048857)
Just watched The Boys on Amazon Prime through my V6 and noticed other languages were not forced translating. Anyone else finding this problem using the V6. PS4 does it automatically.

Also noticed this on The Boys and was going to ask the same thing today :)

I'm beginning to think it's a bug on the V6 Prime Video app.

First spotted this on the Tottenham All or Nothing documentary last week, all conversations not in English had no translation. Ended up turning the subtitles on the whole time, an inconvenience but at least I understood what was going on

OLD BOY 07-09-2020 13:22

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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36048899)
My biggest gripe is finding content. Much of the included content is mixed up with the pay-for content and it is all poorly categorized.

But if you search 'free TV shows' or 'free films' only the Prime stuff is displayed. Personally, I don't see the problem. Surely you can't expect them to hide the charged for stuff unless you specifically request it? They don't want to hide the paid for additions, because clearly they take an additional cut for this material.

Other sites do the same (eg StarzPlay, Apple+, etc).

Legendkiller2k 07-09-2020 13:55

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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36048899)
My biggest gripe is finding content. Much of the included content is mixed up with the pay-for content and it is all poorly categorized.

They've recently added a new tab now "free for me" that you can select which hides all the pay stuff.

Chris 07-09-2020 13:58

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36048920)
But if you search 'free TV shows' or 'free films' only the Prime stuff is displayed. Personally, I don't see the problem. Surely you can't expect them to hide the charged for stuff unless you specifically request it? They don't want to hide the paid for additions, because clearly they take an additional cut for this material.

Other sites do the same (eg StarzPlay, Apple+, etc).

And their main rival and market leader - Netflix - does not. Netflix’s strategy is all you can eat for one simple payment (as is Disney+, for the most part - it remains to be seen how often they’ll repeat the premier access experiment with Mulan). Trying to blend inclusive and paid content in one interface isn’t inevitable, or necessary, and it certainly isn’t an optimal customer experience.

Prime and Apple are trying to run video rental libraries as well as streaming TV channels. It is a deliberate strategic decision to blend the interface so both services exist within each other, and users looking for content they have paid to access are automatically upsold content they haven’t.

heavyside 07-09-2020 14:06

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36048927)
They've recently added a new tab now "free for me" that you can select which hides all the pay stuff.

I didn't know that. It must be a recent addition. I will take a look this evening. It still doesn't answer my gripe about the lack of useful categorization. Netflix implements this well making similar programmes to ones I have enjoyed easier to find. So does More4 although the complete lack of HD content on the V6 app makes this unattractive.

cupcakes aka dd 07-09-2020 14:13

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It annoys me how Blu-rays are being filtered out of the equation as well. Options DVD, streaming or expensive 4K. Buying digital is really investing in thin air. Amazon have already erased one of my digital purchases and the hoops I had to jump through to prove I couldn’t view my purchased material.

OLD BOY 07-09-2020 15:48

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36048928)
And their main rival and market leader - Netflix - does not. Netflix’s strategy is all you can eat for one simple payment (as is Disney+, for the most part - it remains to be seen how often they’ll repeat the premier access experiment with Mulan). Trying to blend inclusive and paid content in one interface isn’t inevitable, or necessary, and it certainly isn’t an optimal customer experience.

Prime and Apple are trying to run video rental libraries as well as streaming TV channels. It is a deliberate strategic decision to blend the interface so both services exist within each other, and users looking for content they have paid to access are automatically upsold content they haven’t.

You can look at it that way if you like. Or you could look at it another way - Amazon can provide that content you are looking for whether or not they have the rights to it. Personally, I find that useful.

Netflix show only their own stuff and the additional content they have the rights to. So if they don't have what you are looking for, it's tough.

You pays your money and you takes your choice, as they say.

Amazon is Prime and GooglePlay all in one.

Legendkiller2k 07-09-2020 17:45

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Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36048933)
It annoys me how Blu-rays are being filtered out of the equation as well. Options DVD, streaming or expensive 4K. Buying digital is really investing in thin air. Amazon have already erased one of my digital purchases and the hoops I had to jump through to prove I couldn’t view my purchased material.

Ratuken did exact same to me deleted a movie i had purchased digitally.

buckeye 07-09-2020 19:02

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Now that Amazon Prime shows live sport does anyone know if a tv license is required to use it (even if one doesn't use the sport section)?

Legendkiller2k 07-09-2020 19:33

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Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 36048965)
Now that Amazon Prime shows live sport does anyone know if a tv license is required to use it (even if one doesn't use the sport section)?

No same with nowtv, skygo, virgingo if you are not watching anything live or recording live tv or watching/downloading iplayer content no tvl is needed.

OLD BOY 07-09-2020 19:35

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36048971)
No same with nowtv, skygo, virgingo if you are not watching anything live or recording live tv or watching/downloading iplayer content no tvl is needed.

H'mm...if people did this in great numbers, the Beeb might start crying out for a subscription!!

SnoopZ 07-09-2020 20:00

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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36048930)
I didn't know that. It must be a recent addition. I will take a look this evening. It still doesn't answer my gripe about the lack of useful categorization. Netflix implements this well making similar programmes to ones I have enjoyed easier to find. So does More4 although the complete lack of HD content on the V6 app makes this unattractive.

You missed mine and Chris's post on this yesterday, it's probably only on devices like Firestick. etc

Chris 07-09-2020 23:42

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Several posts moved to the licence fee thread here: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?p=36048988

heavyside 08-09-2020 07:40

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36048978)
You missed mine and Chris's post on this yesterday, it's probably only on devices like Firestick. etc

You are right. I looked yesterday evening and it's not available on the V6 app.

buckeye 08-09-2020 19:21

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BT Sport Ultimate 4K now available on more products, including Amazon Fire TV

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/tech...?ocid=msedgntp

I've tried it on my 4K Firestick and its offering very good 1080P live streams,
but until they are showing something in UHD I cannot comment on the availability of UHD and also Dolby Atmos sound

ozsat 09-09-2020 04:07

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Rugby last night was in UHD and HDR and worked fine here for video on my 4K Firestick - there was an audio issue which was also present on other devices.

Dolby Atmos is NOT carried on the streaming version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 36049146)
BT Sport Ultimate 4K now available on more products, including Amazon Fire TV

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/tech...?ocid=msedgntp

I've tried it on my 4K Firestick and its offering very good 1080P live streams,
but until they are showing something in UHD I cannot comment on the availability of UHD and also Dolby Atmos sound


jfman 09-09-2020 18:15

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36048543)
The thought among those close to the matter is they are only offering him $18m for this fight, citing Covid-19. He knows he’s the biggest pay-per-view draw in the game at the minute and more likely to seek to be released from his contract.

An easy way for DAZN to remove $300m of future liabilities I suppose.

Update: Canelo is now suing his promoter and DAZN for being unable to get him a fight. The biggest name in boxing and DAZN can’t even get him someone to fight.

Suing for $280m in lost income and accusing them of denying him guaranteed payments. Oh dear. Deep pockets though, eh?

muppetman11 10-09-2020 16:36

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Just noticed an app called Roxi on my Sky Q box not sure how long its been there , whats Roxi ?

ozsat 10-09-2020 16:37

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Sky Q adds ROXi music service - you can try it free for a month.

I signed up and cancelled with 10 minutes. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36049450)
Just noticed an app called Roxi on my Sky Q box not sure how long its been there , whats Roxi ?


denphone 10-09-2020 16:38

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36049450)
Just noticed an app called Roxi on my Sky Q box not sure how long its been there , whats Roxi ?

Roxi l think is something to do with music MM.

muppetman11 10-09-2020 16:39

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Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36049452)
Sky Q adds ROXi music service - you can try it free for a month.

I signed up and cancelled with 10 minutes. :)

That good :D

vincerooney 18-09-2020 23:08

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ive updated to ios 14 anyone having difficulty with virgin media go?

Raider999 19-09-2020 11:11

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36050764)
ive updated to ios 14 anyone having difficulty with virgin media go?

My company has advised avoiding doing this as ios14 has a number of problems

buckeye 19-09-2020 16:40

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I've been trying out Peacock this weekend, its pretty good even on the totally free tier, it has far less ads than All 4 for example, is in 1080P with Dolby Digital surround sound.

I hope when Comcast release it here they keep it like this.

Legendkiller2k 19-09-2020 18:06

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Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 36050809)
I've been trying out Peacock this weekend, its pretty good even on the totally free tier, it has far less ads than All 4 for example, is in 1080P with Dolby Digital surround sound.

I hope when Comcast release it here they keep it like this.

Comcast aren't releasing it to UK, Peacock exclusives will be on SKY.

Phunkenstein 19-09-2020 18:51

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36050820)
Comcast aren't releasing it to UK, Peacock exclusives will be on SKY.

Yep - it seems like the case... NBCUniversal have set distribution deals for Peacock Originals in Australia and Canada... plus Brave New World is coming here as a Sky Original which would suggest that will be the case for future NBCU produced Peacock shows. Also Peacock itself really does seem like a solution for NBC's presence in the US Market and they're building a service that aligns more with their broadcast business than a pure streamer.

I've said this before but I would be more inclined to think we'll see elements of Peacock appear on Sky platforms like their curated linear streaming channels, some of the ad tech as well as the originals...if they wanted to launch a new streaming platform, I would be more inclined to think they might look at the free AVOD sector but that's me just speculating...

Mad Max 19-09-2020 20:08

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36050787)
My company has advised avoiding doing this as ios14 has a number of problems

IOS 14 is fine, it seems to be very stable imo.

BenMcr 19-09-2020 20:13

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36050787)
My company has advised avoiding doing this as ios14 has a number of problems

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36050851)
IOS 14 is fine, it seems to be very stable imo.

There are some issues for business with randomised MAC Addresses in iOS 14 that doesn't apply for most residential networks

https://9to5mac.com/2020/09/17/ios-14-privacy-cisco/

iadom 19-09-2020 20:25

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VM go worked perfectly today after updating to IOS 14 on iPad. In fact it seemed smoother than before. :cool:

Hugh 19-09-2020 20:49

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36050764)
ive updated to ios 14 anyone having difficulty with virgin media go?

Just updated, working fine (had to re-connect, but that went smoothly).

jfman 25-09-2020 22:58

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“Deep pockets” DAZN in court low balling Canelo offering $20m a fight and bonuses linked to subscriber growth. Nice of them to recognise that they need an underlying business model but is the biggest draw in boxing likely to see this as anything other than “bait and switch”?

muppetman11 25-09-2020 23:26

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051477)
“Deep pockets” DAZN in court low balling Canelo offering $20m a fight and bonuses linked to subscriber growth. Nice of them to recognise that they need an underlying business model but is the biggest draw in boxing likely to see this as anything other than “bait and switch”?

I'm sure I read they were also trying to raise a billion dollars in funding and were feeling the impact of the Coronavirus pandemic.

jfman 26-09-2020 00:06

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36051479)
I'm sure I read they were also trying to raise a billion dollars in funding and were feeling the impact of the Coronavirus pandemic.

Indeed. They’re very much on the brink with greater liabilities than they have assets.

Legendkiller2k 26-09-2020 13:02

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Am i reading it wrong or do some on here seem to gloat when streaming services struggle?

denphone 26-09-2020 13:59

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051509)
Am i reading it wrong or do some on here seem to gloat when streaming services struggle?

Why would any posters do that?.

Mad Max 26-09-2020 14:20

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36051518)
Why would any posters do that?.


:LOL:

muppetman11 26-09-2020 14:34

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051509)
Am i reading it wrong or do some on here seem to gloat when streaming services struggle?

You read it very wrong.

Mobes 26-09-2020 15:01

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Amazon Prime Via V6

Quick question! I’ve got both a 4K Firestick and a V6 both on the 4K tv

When I watch a UHD title via the Firestick it actually states on the banner at the bottom of the screen UHD HDR

But when I watch the same title via the V6 box it’s just states HDR HD

Is this normal? The TV is set up as UHD and the V6 box is set to 2160p

ozsat 26-09-2020 15:09

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I've seen this issue a few times.

Reboot the V6 and try again. On the V6 is should say "HDR Ultra HD".

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Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 36051529)
Amazon Prime Via V6

Quick question! I’ve got both a 4K Firestick and a V6 both on the 4K tv

When I watch a UHD title via the Firestick it actually states on the banner at the bottom of the screen UHD HDR

But when I watch the same title via the V6 box it’s just states HDR HD

Is this normal? The TV is set up as UHD and the V6 box is set to 2160p


Mobes 26-09-2020 15:17

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Appreciate that Ozsat. Will give it a go :)

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Worked like a dream, thanks again :)

Pster72 26-09-2020 16:30

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Anybody having trouble with the All4 app mine just opens with a black screen

jfman 26-09-2020 16:37

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051509)
Am i reading it wrong or do some on here seem to gloat when streaming services struggle?

If you are referring to me I subscribe to three of them, and use Premier Sports streaming app (I paid for the Sky subscription for someone else) as cheaper than Virgin.

I don't think it's a positive outcome for non-viable streaming services to drive up the costs of sports rights though. At the end of the day subscribers meet the costs.

cheekyangus 26-09-2020 16:45

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Originally Posted by Pster72 (Post 36051537)
Anybody having trouble with the All4 app mine just opens with a black screen

Some people are, there's a several pages long thread on the VM official forums. I've used it multiple times over the last few days and had no issue though, so something that's not affecting everyone.

Legendkiller2k 26-09-2020 18:54

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051538)
If you are referring to me I subscribe to three of them, and use Premier Sports streaming app (I paid for the Sky subscription for someone else) as cheaper than Virgin.

I don't think it's a positive outcome for non-viable streaming services to drive up the costs of sports rights though. At the end of the day subscribers meet the costs.

Nah was just me typing before my morning coffee lol.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36051518)
Why would any posters do that?.

Just me typing before my morning coffee lol.

OLD BOY 26-09-2020 23:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051538)
If you are referring to me I subscribe to three of them, and use Premier Sports streaming app (I paid for the Sky subscription for someone else) as cheaper than Virgin.

I don't think it's a positive outcome for non-viable streaming services to drive up the costs of sports rights though. At the end of the day subscribers meet the costs.

Presumably, if Amazon did decide to make a bid, and charged less for premiership football, you would eat your hat!

jfman 26-09-2020 23:46

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051640)
Presumably, if Amazon did decide to make a bid, and charged less for premiership football, you would eat your hat!

I’d subscribe. I’m a rational consumer in the marketplace.

What I don’t see, and evidently nor do they by recent reporting, is how they bid more and reduce costs to the end user.

OLD BOY 26-09-2020 23:55

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051641)
I’d subscribe. I’m a rational consumer in the marketplace.

What I don’t see, and evidently nor do they by recent reporting, is how they bid more and reduce costs to the end user.

Well, we’ve been on that ride before, but you choose to ignore those ideas.

Excuse me if I say that I have no wish to go around yet again.

jfman 27-09-2020 00:10

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051644)
Well, we’ve been on that ride before, but you choose to ignore those ideas.

Excuse me if I say that I have no wish to go around yet again.

Upselling tat? I think Prime has the levels of penetration that £5bn is a lot to invest to sell more tat.

Legendkiller2k 27-09-2020 00:20

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051646)
Upselling tat? I think Prime has the levels of penetration that £5bn is a lot to invest to sell more tat.

If and it is a huge if Amazon bid for more football rights there'd be two outcomes.
Prime would raise in price quite a lot or 2 a football addon at a extra charge would be launched, Amazon simply can not continue to absorb costs.

jfman 27-09-2020 00:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051648)
If and it is a huge if Amazon bid for more football rights there'd be two outcomes.
Prime would raise in price quite a lot or 2 a football addon at a extra charge would be launched, Amazon simply can not continue to absorb costs.

It’s definitely a £30 a month add on for the few million who would subscribe.

ozsat 27-09-2020 09:28

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If Amazon got big rights - I would expect the EPL to be an add-on for Prime customers.

Maybe £7.99pm Prime and £24.99pm EPL add-on - or £29.99pm for non-Prime customers.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 09:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051648)
If and it is a huge if Amazon bid for more football rights there'd be two outcomes.
Prime would raise in price quite a lot or 2 a football addon at a extra charge would be launched, Amazon simply can not continue to absorb costs.

It would certainly be a football add-on. They could also add tiers with a more limited selection of matches for a cheaper price to attract more punters.

jfman 27-09-2020 11:10

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It's going to be ridiculously expensive for sports fans, that's what it's going to be. A premiership add on at greater cost than the full Sky Sports add on for Now TV?

I can't see sports fans falling over themselves to pay another £25 a month. Many view the rights as fragmented enough needing Sky and BT without a third service with a sizable proportion of the games.

Legendkiller2k 27-09-2020 12:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36051671)
If Amazon got big rights - I would expect the EPL to be an add-on for Prime customers.

Maybe £7.99pm Prime and £24.99pm EPL add-on - or £29.99pm for non-Prime customers.

Amazon don't like people taking their services without them having prime so most likely would only be for prime customers.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051703)
It's going to be ridiculously expensive for sports fans, that's what it's going to be. A premiership add on at greater cost than the full Sky Sports add on for Now TV?

I can't see sports fans falling over themselves to pay another £25 a month. Many view the rights as fragmented enough needing Sky and BT without a third service with a sizable proportion of the games.

Eventually there will come a breaking point and people will say enough is enough.

pip08456 27-09-2020 14:22

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051713)

Eventually there will come a breaking point and people will say enough is enough.

That should've happened years ago.

Mad Max 27-09-2020 15:30

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Slightly off-topic, I got an email from Now TV a couple of days ago offering me another six months on the entertainment package for a whopping £1.60 per month, not too bad for some decent telly on offer.

Raider999 27-09-2020 16:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051703)
It's going to be ridiculously expensive for sports fans, that's what it's going to be. A premiership add on at greater cost than the full Sky Sports add on for Now TV?

I can't see sports fans falling over themselves to pay another £25 a month. Many view the rights as fragmented enough needing Sky and BT without a third service with a sizable proportion of the games.

I read an article this week that stated despite Sky/BT looking to pay no more than last time/ reduce payments, Amazon would not be bidding for any of the main EPL Rights packages.

I would see the status quo being maintained - unless the EPL decide to have a go at streaming matches themselves.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051703)
It's going to be ridiculously expensive for sports fans, that's what it's going to be. A premiership add on at greater cost than the full Sky Sports add on for Now TV?

I can't see sports fans falling over themselves to pay another £25 a month. Many view the rights as fragmented enough needing Sky and BT without a third service with a sizable proportion of the games.

If football fans no longer had football on Sky, they would simply subscribe to Amazon football instead of Sky Sports. Same if Amazon won the contract from BT, subscribers would simply switch. It’s not rocket science. Football fans will follow the football!

jfman 27-09-2020 18:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051778)
If football fans no longer had football on Sky, they would simply subscribe to Amazon football instead of Sky Sports. Same if Amazon won the contract from BT, subscribers would simply switch. It’s not rocket science. Football fans will follow the football!

If it were that easy we wouldn't have a graveyard of Sky-wannabes.

It's not as straightforward as they will "all switch". BT of course have their wholesale deal with Virgin Media, and subsidise from their telephony/broadband products.

Sports fans who enjoy some football, some golf, formula one, NFL, suddenly find themselves having to buy additional products.

They do not have infinite money - for some eventually choices have to be made.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 19:44

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051794)
If it were that easy we wouldn't have a graveyard of Sky-wannabes.

It's not as straightforward as they will "all switch". BT of course have their wholesale deal with Virgin Media, and subsidise from their telephony/broadband products.

Sports fans who enjoy some football, some golf, formula one, NFL, suddenly find themselves having to buy additional products.

They do not have infinite money - for some eventually choices have to be made.

I don’t think you can compare the providers of sports channels with streaming services. Streamers of sports events do not need to bother about filling their schedules! That’s one cost out of the way for a start.

Football fans have shown very clearly that they are prepared to pay a lot for football. Why would they not switch en masse if their usual provider lost the rights?

As for the problem facing the fans of other sports as well are concerned, I don’t disagree, but of course Sky would charge less for what remained, wouldn’t they?

Raider999 27-09-2020 19:49

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051804)
I don’t think you can compare the providers of sports channels with streaming services. Streamers of sports events do not need to bother about filling their schedules! That’s one cost out of the way for a start.

Football fans have shown very clearly that they are prepared to pay a lot for football. Why would they not switch en masse if their usual provider lost the rights?

As for the problem facing the fans of other sports as well are concerned, I don’t disagree, but of course Sky would charge less for what remained, wouldn’t they?


I doubt they would - they have lists rights to sports in the past few years (premiership rugby union, la liga football to name but 2) but the normal cost to the customer has never gone down.

jfman 27-09-2020 19:54

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051804)
I don’t think you can compare the providers of sports channels with streaming services. Streamers of sports events do not need to bother about filling their schedules! That’s one cost out of the way for a start.

Plenty of rerun filler on every streaming service I have. The delivery method is different but the principle the same. It's only television.

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Football fans have shown very clearly that they are prepared to pay a lot for football. Why would they not switch en masse if their usual provider lost the rights?
They'd need - like any rational consumer - to decide if it's worth the additional cost. I agree the vast majority would - but when you're seeking to return profits on £5bn you need almost them all. That would depend on the pricing point.

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As for the problem facing the fans of other sports as well are concerned, I don’t disagree, but of course Sky would charge less for what remained, wouldn’t they?
To some extent yes, but having driven the price up this is inhibits the ability or a new entrant to extract 100% of the revenues Sky can without a content portfolio.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 20:04

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36051807)
I doubt they would - they have lists rights to sports in the past few years (premiership rugby union, la liga football to name but 2) but the normal cost to the customer has never gone down.

True footie fans will follow the football, Raider.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051810)

Plenty of rerun filler on every streaming service I have. The delivery method is different but the principle the same. It's only television.

They'd need - like any rational consumer - to decide if it's worth the additional cost. I agree the vast majority would - but when you're seeking to return profits on £5bn you need almost them all. That would depend on the pricing point.


Maybe so, but we are talking about a football service here, not a general entertainment service. No need to show anything but football and no need to fill the schedules. If only one football match is played, only one football service will be added. If none are played, no extra content at all on that day.

As for consumers, I have already explained why I believe Amazon would charge less than Sky do for football. Cheaper, more limited tiers will add to the revenue by bringing in those football lovers who cannot afford Sky prices.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051810)
To some extent yes, but having driven the price up this is inhibits the ability or a new entrant to extract 100% of the revenues Sky can without a content portfolio.

We have already seen that Sky and BT are both likely to bid less, not more, next time.

jfman 27-09-2020 21:01

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051812)
We have already seen that Sky and BT are both likely to bid less, not more, next time.

I’ve addressed your other dubious points in the other thread but do you have a source for this one? Or is it classic Old Boy portraying hope as fact?

Raider999 27-09-2020 22:05

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051826)
I’ve addressed your other dubious points in the other thread but do you have a source for this one? Or is it classic Old Boy portraying hope as fact?

This was part of the Telegraph article that stated Amazon would not be bidding for any of the major EPL packages next time round.

So OB is actually correct in what he said - albeit he only quoted part of the statement to suit his argument.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 23:06

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36051842)
This was part of the Telegraph article that stated Amazon would not be bidding for any of the major EPL packages next time round.

So OB is actually correct in what he said - albeit he only quoted part of the statement to suit his argument.

I quoted the relevant bit. I am not seeking to mislead in any way.

jfman 27-09-2020 23:18

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051849)
I quoted the relevant bit. I am not seeking to mislead in any way.

I’d not worry too much Old Boy, to mislead successfully you require some sort of credibility on the subject matter. Five years and seven threads later I doubt regular readers of the forum are likely to be mislead by your opinion pieces. They’re fairly transparent.

OLD BOY 28-09-2020 06:50

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051851)
I’d not worry too much Old Boy, to mislead successfully you require some sort of credibility on the subject matter. Five years and seven threads later I doubt regular readers of the forum are likely to be mislead by your opinion pieces. They’re fairly transparent.

Look who’s talking! :D

johnasimmons 28-09-2020 08:21

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These arguments are getting tiresome...

Legendkiller2k 28-09-2020 13:32

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Right to confirm nothing about Disney+ arriving on VM on October 1st is on works system so unless there are any very late developments we can put that to bed,
UHD from SKY on VM is on the system but says 2021 but that can change.
Interesting BTSPORT UHD2 has shown up atm it's in licencing stage so i'll keep an eye on that one.

vincerooney 29-09-2020 00:41

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051918)
Right to confirm nothing about Disney+ arriving on VM on October 1st is on works system so unless there are any very late developments we can put that to bed,
UHD from SKY on VM is on the system but says 2021 but that can change.
Interesting BTSPORT UHD2 has shown up atm it's in licencing stage so i'll keep an eye on that one.

The UHD fans won't be happy about sky sports! These contracts with sky are very odd! i'd love to get dates of contracts and end dates

OLD BOY 29-09-2020 07:30

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36051918)
Right to confirm nothing about Disney+ arriving on VM on October 1st is on works system so unless there are any very late developments we can put that to bed,
UHD from SKY on VM is on the system but says 2021 but that can change.
Interesting BTSPORT UHD2 has shown up atm it's in licencing stage so i'll keep an eye on that one.

It was reported that Sky UHD would arrive on Virgin Media in 2020. That was the deal. I wonder what has changed, unless they have hit technical difficulties.

pip08456 29-09-2020 08:21

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052002)
It was reported that Sky UHD would arrive on Virgin Media in 2020. That was the deal. I wonder what has changed, unless they have hit technical difficulties.

Its still 2020.

1andrew1 29-09-2020 10:32

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052005)
Its still 2020.

Gotta have something to celebrate on New Year's Eve haven't we? :D

OLD BOY 29-09-2020 13:13

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052005)
Its still 2020.

I know,I was referring to Legendkiller’s reference to 2021.

Legendkiller2k 29-09-2020 15:30

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052002)
It was reported that Sky UHD would arrive on Virgin Media in 2020. That was the deal. I wonder what has changed, unless they have hit technical difficulties.

Could be anything our system says 2021 but our system has been wrong before so you never know.
SYFY UHD has appeared on our system to be licenced which is interesting but also possibly squashes any ideas of SYFY closing.

jfman 29-09-2020 15:49

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As a Virgin Media customer for a decade, and on and off cable customer for 25 years I've learned to expect things later than announced. Was Channel 4 HD not about 3 years?

muppetman11 29-09-2020 16:01

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052033)
Could be anything our system says 2021 but our system has been wrong before so you never know.
SYFY UHD has appeared on our system to be licenced which is interesting but also possibly squashes any ideas of SYFY closing.

Syfy UHD !!!!!!!!! Whats the system you keep talking about

Legendkiller2k 29-09-2020 16:56

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36052040)
Syfy UHD !!!!!!!!! Whats the system you keep talking about

Our systems at work the company without going into too much detail for obvious reasons are like the middle man if that makes any sense?
My job is to ensure the contracts and offers get to the correct department they are supposed to be.

OLD BOY 29-09-2020 17:02

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Britbox seem to be doing better than some expected, at least according to Britbox. Better than planned, apparently. I’d love to know the subscriber numbers, particularly as the service is not available on the Sky or Virgin Media plarforms.

https://advanced-television.com/2020...-of-subs-plan/

jfman 29-09-2020 17:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052045)
Britbox seem to be doing better than some expected, at least according to Britbox. Better than planned, apparently. I’d love to know the subscriber numbers, particularly as the service is not available on the Sky or Virgin Media plarforms.

https://advanced-television.com/2020...-of-subs-plan/

Than they expected then. Without knowing their benchmark or where they are it’s quite an irrelevant statement for them to make. Buys cheap positive headlines I suppose.

At least it shows there’s demand for millionth run television in the 2020s, despite some slurring it as tired old repeats.

johnathome 29-09-2020 17:33

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052046)
Than they expected then. Without knowing their benchmark or where they are it’s quite an irrelevant statement for them to make. Buys cheap positive headlines I suppose.

Any bets this is when they release numbers?

"He advised that in early October, BT was launching an offer for its broadband customers to get six months BritBox for free on its YouView box. “That’s eight million BT broadband homes.”

jfman 29-09-2020 17:36

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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 36052047)
Any bets this is when they release numbers?

"He advised that in early October, BT was launching an offer for its broadband customers to get six months BritBox for free on its YouView box. “That’s eight million BT broadband homes.”

Haha yes, a certainty.

Legendkiller2k 29-09-2020 18:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052045)
Britbox seem to be doing better than some expected, at least according to Britbox. Better than planned, apparently. I’d love to know the subscriber numbers, particularly as the service is not available on the Sky or Virgin Media plarforms.

https://advanced-television.com/2020...-of-subs-plan/

Acorn tv is apparantly doing well too.

OLD BOY 29-09-2020 18:58

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052053)
Acorn tv is apparantly doing well too.

Yes. Nice to see that the British sites are also getting the subscribers.

Both streamers need to ensure the addition of originals at frequent intervals though if they are to take off.

muppetman11 29-09-2020 19:45

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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 36052047)
Any bets this is when they release numbers?

"He advised that in early October, BT was launching an offer for its broadband customers to get six months BritBox for free on its YouView box. “That’s eight million BT broadband homes.”

EE have been giving 6 months free Britbox to pay monthly subscribers as well.

jfman 29-09-2020 19:52

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36052058)
EE have been giving 6 months free Britbox to pay monthly subscribers as well.

All the hallmarks of venture capitalism. Talk it up, get some hype going and punt it before the crash.

OLD BOY 29-09-2020 20:06

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052062)
All the hallmarks of venture capitalism. Talk it up, get some hype going and punt it before the crash.

Your cynicism clearly has no bounds.

Legendkiller2k 29-09-2020 20:08

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Netflix may be raising prices again. https://popculture.com/streaming/new...es-soon-again/

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Netflix subscribers may be shelling out a little more money to tune into their favorite series. According to recent reports, the streaming giant is planning yet another price hike that could potentially be coming sooner rather than later, much to the disdain of viewers.

Yahoo Finance reports that the streaming service is planning to raise its subscription prices to boost revenue. Citing a new note to clients from Jefferies analyst Brent Thill, the streamer could be raising prices by $1 to $2 "in all four of its geographies," which could bring in an additional $500 million to $1 billion in extra sales in 2021. The price hike is expected to bring only a minimal loss in subscribers, as Netflix has an expansive content catalog and has put increased focus on its original content, meaning to view those original titles, people must have a Netflix subscription.

While Netflix has not yet confirmed such a price hike, Netflix COO Greg Peters, during its earnings report in August, implied that a subscription plan price increase could be coming. He cited the streamer's growing original titles library as the reason for a potential increase.

jfman 29-09-2020 20:17

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36052065)
Your cynicism clearly has no bounds.

It’s venture capitalism 101. You don’t need a plan, you just need to find some other idiot who thinks you do.

See .com boom from 20 years ago. You’re naive if you don’t think these behaviours continue today.

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36052066)
Netflix may be raising prices again. https://popculture.com/streaming/new...es-soon-again/

I am stunned by the revelation that their current pricing model isn’t sustainable.

OLD BOY 29-09-2020 21:25

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052070)

I am stunned by the revelation that their current pricing model isn’t sustainable.

:rolleyes:


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