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Dugg,
I've been in touch with a journalist I know who has done a lot of work for the BBC. unlike some he's not afraid of challenging bosses and head honcho's of corporations and he's very interested in the whole Phorm debate. I have sent him the link to Alex's latest revelation and am waiting a reply. I'll keep you posted. |
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Nice work!!!
Dugg :) |
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may explain the stutter of a certain person
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sell 219 of them before the price drops of the map.
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Is it time to hit the bloggs and forums like we used to do?
I see someone has started a new thread at moneysavingexpert. It probably won't last long, but may get some reads. You may care to contribute during it's short lifetime. http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....html?t=955479 |
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FULL REPORT! (minus personally identifiable data)
https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Image:BT_Report.pdf Enjoy. Alexander Hanff /me breaths out. ---------- Post added at 20:07 ---------- Previous post was at 20:05 ---------- Quote:
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Lets see if the ICO and HO stay onside now that they are being made to look like fools by a lieing BT.
Excellent job Alex. |
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3 little Words
Smoking Gun Discovered https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Image:BT_Report.pdf :clap::clap::clap::clap: Well done Alexander |
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Story dugg as requested. :D btw. First thing I spotted in the report was this: Quote:
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Page 14: During the trial three users posted their observations of this effect. In each case the reaction was negative, the user suspecting a virus, malware, or spyware of some kind. This artefact is eliminated by the new version of pagesense, "ProxySense".
Disgusted. |
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MORE DIGGS PLEASE!!!
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It's there cos I just added a comment with a link to the full report.
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Also Diggers, make sure you digg the comments. With the protest Digg entry we had a number of people digging comments down. I'm guessing the Phorm PR team, so lets beat them at this as well.
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digged...or is it dugged??
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Dugg!!!!
...and cross posted on Digital Spy :) |
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Pdf downloaded scattering.
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Too late 121Media(Phorm) your criminal malware credentials are assured! Even another name change won't shake your malicious malware intentions or actions off. (can we all say P E R C E P T I O N ) Laughs Out Loud I assume when you write "public relations" you were referring to the disastrous mess your PhormPR monkey team made a right pigs ear of? |
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Dugg & Posted to delicious
WTG alex ! |
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Wonder if Sky are still interested in following BT's lead
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I've written to the BT Beta forum moderation team to ask them what their attitude will be to people linking directly to the Wikileak page or quoting from the document. I'm on a "final warning" on that site, and I don't want them chucking all the key contributors off the forum or worse. So we will see what they say. But we have ways round that... I wonder what BT will be looking like in the morning? I wonder if Emma will ever email me again? I wonder if they will start treating us customers a bit better now? I wonder which managers are cheering and which ones are stocking up on Entero VioPhorm? I wonder how Ian Livingstone will get on at the AGM with that one on the table in front of him? |
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This document is priceless, I want to thank the brave employee of BT who sent it to Alex.
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Also, just a quickie. Can the report be posted somewhere other than the secure section of wikileaks? Firefox 3 is telling me that the certificate for the secure secition of wikileaks expired a few weeks ago and as much as I want to read the document, I don't want to start letting sites off the hook with out of date certificates. |
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digg up my comment or I'll find you.;)
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Posted on ISPr asking for diggs hope to get more soon...
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I take it this has been distributed to all known press everywhere?
I can't wait for the Reg tomorrow.. |
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Rather a shame you had to put that document on a site with an expired security certificate.... bit of a let down with all our own concerns about privacy...
Won't have a chance to read it till tomorrow now. |
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posted the link to the bt discussion on iii http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...scussion&it=le
********* internal BT doc of illegal 2006 trials bluecar1 View Author's profile | Add to favourites | Ignore | Author's posts interesting reading of the ILLEGAL 2006 trials of webwise https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Image:BT_Report.pdf all the stuff BT claim never to have had peter *********** |
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a Operating b Audit c Remuneration d Nominating e Community Support f Pension Scheme Performance Review Group g Equality of Access Board * Chairs committee http://www.btplc.com/report/Review07/board.htm |
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Originally Posted by bluecar1 [AD]
posted the link to the bt discussion on iii http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...scussion&it=le ********* You may want to look at the News section on this link BT did some Share Adjustments Today. |
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Alex-
Please include a link to the full article at Wikileaks on your nodpi article. I've sent out a few emails to newspapers, and they will want to see the original document. Thanks. |
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I found out my mother still has her 220 shares in BT shse was given when she retired from work. She is 86 she used to go to the AGM's with a friend from work they made a week trip out of an AGM. The last 5 yrs she hasn't been going ill health I didn't know she still had therm until I started talking to her about her shares. seems she has 200 TSB shares which pays her more divi than BT's ever have. From now I will handle the shares for her no more letting the chairperson handle the proxy vote. |
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I wonder what this will do to the contractual relationship between 80/20 Thinking and Phorm? The leaked report contains just a suggestion of dishonest dealing on the part of Phorm doesn't it?..... Hence - immediate termination of contractual relationship. Hope Simon cashed the cheque.
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If anybody Plays http://www.hattrick.org I have posted a thread on the NonHT-England conference can I ask for posts backing it up please.
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I have joined this forum for the single purpose of being able to say a big thank you to Alexander.
That's an amazing piece of work and goes way beyond anything I had hoped for. You have my thanks and my utmost respect. Pete |
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Wooot yay Hannf,
Anyone want to guess how much phorm shares will drop toms ? |
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robert, just posted a correction to you post on iii. as i said over there, it not the anoraks that have been up to anything, it was BT and phorm peter |
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I just dropped you a pm alex
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A big thank you to Alexander for this and an observation from reading the report.
There is absolutely no consideration given to the Webmaster side of this in the trial. Like where is the evaluation of its ability to avoid webmail sites or password restricted content on http. It seems they just assume it works and that we will believe them because they say so! |
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Alex: For you... :clap: :clap: Digg it up all :) Hank |
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Fan and Brown Stuff how far will it go and are there enough places to hide.:D
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Looks like we just come back shouting louder though.. This needs to be sorted and if Emma has to answer questions on a lie detector so be it, after all it is only the same amount of invaision on her privacy as she plans on BT customers
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Hope I'm not jumping too far ahead but a couple of the the stand-out points for me are the clearly stated intentions to prevent the customer from knowing that they were being monitored and the fact that BT were tracking customer service reports and complaints.
That last one suggests that they have been lying to the authorities with regards to the people who have proof of their data being intercepted. BT have claimed that the customer service call centres were not aware of the trials and used that to explain the incorrect information given to callers and yet we now find that those same call centres were collating data regarding calls relating to the trials. This ought to make a difference in the attitude of the police and other authorities who have so far taken BT's word for everything that's happened. |
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Dugg
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I've always thought we were being harsh on BT and Phorm.
After all, they have often repeated the fact that they want to be transparent over these issues. I have no doubt that they told the ICO and HO all about their wish to be transparent. Page 4 of the leaked document confirms this. Trouble is, I think they have a unique understanding of the word 'transparency'. "Only 15-20 trialists (0.1% of the trial userbase) identified the presence of the system and had a negative reaction. To ensure 100% transparency, the following work is planned : ... " transparent = not noticed = under the radar = hidden Time to review all those Kent/Emma statements in light of this new definition. |
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One thing none of you have picked up on yet is the mention of the sample size for the Phase 2 trials (the 2007 trials). 350 000. Now BT have reportedly stated they scaled back on original plans for the 2007 trials but have refused to give a number. So how many do we really think were involved in the 2007 trial?
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My take on that is that they didn't tell the call centres anything about what they were doing, but clearly gave them some sort of protocol with regard to the type of customer calls they were dealing with - probably just hidden in a statistics report sheet listing various types of customer problem - and for those two weeks the report sheet would list things like "I'm seeing strange scripts in my forum posts" "I'm getting funny things happening in my status bar" "I'm finding odd cookies on my machine" I doubt the support staff had a clue what it was about, but they would be required to tick boxes so the faults could be statistically logged (but of course the customers would get no help solving the problems). Remember the BT corporate culture - staff generally aren't told anything. They are always making major changes and telling no one - it's the way they do things. I'm a regular on the support groups - it's amazing the things they don't tell us about or tell support about. BT standard policy 1 - plan a change 2 - implement the change 3 - tell the press 4 - watch the customers get problems 5 - don't tell support 6 - watch the customers complain and give them misleading uninformed replies 7 - occasionally discover peer users have diagnosed and provided work-rounds for the problem. Fudge some sort of excuse. Post a url on an obscure part of the help system, which has the wrong advice on it. 8 - eventually (far too late) notice what peer users are saying and alter your advice to fit with theirs. 9 - do it all again a few weeks later. (this is the story of the latest security "enhancements" to BTYahoo mail by the way but it could be anything, Webwise included) |
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hello phormbt team :waving:
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"BT will design and re-engineer the network to enable the integration of such a facility" They are not going to just walk away from this are they? |
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Anyone know what Phorm's fixed assets are? Would it be worth offering Kent a fiver for the lot in the morning?
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Unfortunately this technology isn't going to work on liars like Kunt Ertugrul because he is a 'pathological liar' and can beat these kind of presentday A.I. primative systems. However make sure everybody saves all his YouTube videos, TV, and Radio stuff because in a few years the voice analysis A.I. technology will be good enough even against a sociopathic *******s like him. |
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That's how they got round BT's T&Cs. I'm surprised that no-one has made more mention of the Javascript injections. Given that Emma S. keeps stuttering out her "it's err... umm... not illegal" carp, I would say that injecting this sort of thing into hundreds of thousands of [intercepted] pages (without permission) before sending them to unsuspecting users is not exactly legal. I'm also sure that the admission of collecting IP addresses also blows a few holes in the "we don't collect personal information" argument. JHMO OB |
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Having worked in call centres there are a couple of points that make BT's statements regarding the call centre's ignorance dubious.
The software, recording equipment and internal monitoring would all be at the call centre and under the control and supervision of call centre staff - not BT head-office. In order to keep a record of the nature of calls which are likely to relate to the trial, especially given the extremely wide nature of possible queries, there would have to be a change in work routines and the call centre managers would have to be aware of that. Call contents are not analysed by listen to the call - BT technical support has only one phone number and there are no "press button 3" type options so the only automated record they could have relate to total call volume. There's also no way that BT's call centre has software with tick-boxes to cover every type of question such that it could be analysed for the "right type" of question as there are so many types of questions that they will receive. BT couldn't look at all if the reports of slow speeds or crashing browsers for example and work out how many relate to the trial. By far the likeliest scenario - one I seen used dozens of times - is the low-tech one where the staff are told to write down the details of any calls regarding quite specific circumstances such as discovering strange cookies or problems with very specific websits - the ones showing 121Medias adverts. Either way, the call centre must have known that BT wanted an unusual data analysis and it is ridiculous to suppose that the call agents, supervisors and managers who will have handled the calls. Do BT really expect us to believe that the call centres knew which calls to report for their stats but didn't query whether or not the calls themselves needed handling differently form usual? If the call centre believed that these were just regualr problems, how was it possible for that same call centre to provide those figures for BT? |
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Nobody else noticed yet that the network latency doubled during peak load from 3s to 6s?
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for Cf you mean?, i always have higher latency on the VM cable this time of night for some strange reason so i didnt notice, and i cant even find the cf latency No on the page right now doh! i know it got one somewere but i forget were LOl.
BTW, still nothing on the wires, i use one of the same one's ELReg uses http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScri...=&search=phorm and still nothing on Google News yet http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8...nG=Search+News but at least Technorati has finally started collecting and displaying related links. http://technorati.com/search/phorm?a...y=n&language=n and theres no visable mod on the CF site right now to PM so we could'nt get a CF news item up there right now to have the wires find it. |
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LOL, i downloaded the BT PDF, but didnt get around to reading it as im busy trying to get the storie(s) linked far and wide.
i always think wednesday evening stories have a far greater impact on the share prices, as the news hits home, and the shareholders get to hear thursday, and act by friday at the latest... the usual 3 day turn around on most news stories is a good rule of thumb. |
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btw ,
BT GROUP PLC TRANSACTION IN OWN SHARES - VOTING RIGHTS AND CAPITAL http://www.londonstockexchange.com/L...650&source=RNS |
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Wikipedia updated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm
Alexander Hanff ---------- Post added at 05:11 ---------- Previous post was at 04:30 ---------- It is now on WikiLeaks front page with a link to here: http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Britis...idation_report Alexander Hanff |
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Again, I go on holiday and come back to find 40 pages I need to go through.
This news about the ICO is appalling, and I'll be writing to my MP again and quoting select chunks. While I'm there I'll be mentioning, and probably giving the link to, that leaked document. I am frankly sickened by that article, Alex. Sickened and terrified. Keep up the good work! I won't be happy until I see the people responsible in jail for this, and massive fines levied against BT and Phorm. |
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That's where this whole scenario is so surreal. If you take the FIPR line, the whole thing is illegal so the details are just details of which bit of illegality was which. all of it was illegal. I think BT were less interested in legality and more in deniability which is really the name of the game now in our contract ridden, outsourced sub-contracted world. I serously think these executives have got to the point where they regard themselves as either above or immune to the law. They seem to think that it is something that only applies to the little people who pay their salaries. Having spent a tedious amount of time on BT internal newsgroups being told by other customers that we had no proof, no evidence of wrongdoing, that we were scaremongering, I have to confess a certain amount of satisfaction in posting Alex's no DPI link there last night. And even more satisfaction emailing details to Emma Sanderson, Adam Liversage, Ben Verwaayen (sort of parting gift) and Ian Livingstone. Hope they enjoy their breakfast. It will not the day at the office that they were expecting. I'm in London for 24 hours so expect I'll miss about 40 pages of this stuff! |
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http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Britis...idation_report Also, anyone with a /. account please vote this one up in firehose (already Yellow) by clicking the + button: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=705657 Alexander Hanff |
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Just goes to show how much isp's value the customers now, when i read that couldnt belive what i was reading tbh i bet the second trial lasted much longer involved more people and was still just as bad if not worse.
Sad day when you cant trust your isp especially when there in bed with crooks. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
the debate is warming up over on the bt page at iii
just seen this take a look at the list of acts possibly broken, seem to be a few i have not seen before also we need to focus on how do they know the age of the person and do not show unsuitable adverts to a 8 year old if they only know a random number? do websites come under the jurisdiction of advertising standards? or would BT as they are in effect serving the ads from THEIR servers? peter ************** leo said: "Don't know what all the fuss is about over Phorm. I'd rather see adverts that are tailored to me than adverts for products I have no interest in. There is a precedent - Google already responds to people's web searches to deliver adverts. " the information is out there Leo if you want to read it, basicly Phorm/Webwise is using Deep Packet Inspection/Interception Hardwre kit that sits directly on the other side of your ISP payed for Broadband connection. this special DPI kit has every single bit of your PCs web comunication (if your browser can see it, so can the Phorm interception for profit kit) sent through it, every single web page even password protected HTTP pages you request/click are then fully scaned/collected into their kits ram, processed. and under UK and EU law, an unlawful derivative work is made without consent of the website content owner, or the ISP end user (should they refuse to take part in any trials, their datastream is still collected.and processed, but dont see the ad's onscreen apparently)for commercial profit. apparently these are some of the laws broken by not getting Express/Explicit, and informed consent of both partys (end user AND the website content owners)or paying the profits of this unlawful derivative work to the owners. Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003 Computer Misuse Act 1990 Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1998 (see derivative works) Data Protection Act 1998 (IP addresses are legally defined as personally identifiable data) this basic laymans copyright might be helpful to outlines the problems BT have placed themselves in during the prior trials without getting consent. and dont forget may websites already have explicit terms against commercial use of the sites webpage content in their notices (including this very site infact http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/co...opyright_myths *********** |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
We don't have to worry about stress analysis of Emma's voice..most people have a "telltale" when they tell porkies (touching the tip of the nose, etc..), and Emmas is when she lies, she s s s s stammers.
She's being lined up to take the fall on this one, I suspect. Emma? The phrase you're looking for is "turning Queen's evidence". |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Just a quick reminder cos the thread is moving at a bit of a pace at the moment:
Digg - http://digg.com/tech_news/BT_commite...acts_in_8_days Slashdot (vote up please) http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=705657 Alexander Hanff |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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