Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

usual thing of most people do not change from default settings, take wireless routers and the number of insecure ones around

thats the reason phorm want it opt out

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So there is no certainty that the trials will actually take place, and
statements pertaining to such are purely speculative ?

There may be some grounds for that speculation, considering that
BT have announced an intention to carry out the trials, but that
is by no means definitive considering the current climate.

D_A

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Gavin Patterson said 'in a couple of weeks time' at the AGM, after I'd suggested it might launch in 24hrs (quoting recent hype from gullible newspapers).

Given they've been saying that since February, make of it what you will.

From the ICO documents released to me, it seems they are planning to target 10,000 users on the Kingston RAS, which apparently serves most of the south of England, and parts of Scotland (R Jones and his friends from BT forums might be able to confirm) before rolling out across the network.

Unless of course they are prudent enough to listen to advice from the Earl of Northesk.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Let us not forget there have been 4 polls now regarding this technology and all of them have been overwhelmingly anti-Webwise.

The poll here resulted in 95.5% rejection rate
The ISP Review Poll resulted in 56% of participants stating they would leave their ISP
The NoDPI Poll shows 89% of participants feel BT should be prosecuted for the covert trials.

Finally the poll which appeared yesterday (I forget the URL) showed 65% of people would leave their ISP.

BT -claim- their own poll goes against these figures, but since they refuse to make it available, we only have their word on that.

Alexander Hanff

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Actually no it is not speculation at all. BT have made dozens of press releases and stated in the AGM yesterday that they will be trialing this technology in the near future (normally the press releases say next couple of weeks). So we are not speculating, we are going on information directly from BT.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Polls without published numbers of those polled are hardly relevant.
95.5% of 20 people (for example) can hardly be considered 'overwhelming'.

So, we can trust BT on this ? They always do what they say ? They always say what they are doing ?

D_A

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If you actually bother to look at the polls you can see the numbers. The CableForum poll is at the top of every single page in this thread. The ISPr poll I posted is linked to directly from that post. The NoDPI poll is on every page of the NoDPI web site and I have now found the link to the other poll I referred to:

http://www.nma.co.uk/Articles/38754/...aten+ISPs.html

This poll was independent and was nothing to do with the Anti Phorm campaign.

The BT Poll consisted of 1400 people if memory serves, I am sure others have a link to that information they would be happy to share, I don't have it to hand.

As for the speculation comments. Speculation would be if we were to say BT are going to trial Phorm without any evidence to support it; this is clearly not the case, BT have insisted time and again to the press, the public, their shareholders, ICO and the Home Office that they are going to start a third trial in the near future. So it is not speculation, I fail to see which part of that you find difficult to understand.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Try looking at the top of this page. I'm not aware, personally, that any of the polls quoted (except, of course, BT's) did not publish numbers polled.

It's also worth noting that the Downing Street petition is No 4 in terms of numbers. (15,000+, which is not in itself a big percentage of internet users, but it IS significant that it is the fourth most subscribed to petition.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ebuad_hearing/


I guess we have our answer then.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes I thought that was a very strange response, I am not sure if he thought it would help his case, if he did then I would suggest he needs better advisors.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

D_Advocate look at the poll at the top of this page, over a 1000 votes cast, independantly verified by CF and each user could only vote once, it was only closed when phorm PR where caught trying to abuse it and alter the result, and that fact can be confirmed by the moderators here

if you go to the locations of the other polls you will no doubt be able to verify the figures you require

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Reminds me of those organised crime hearings way back when. The answers to most of the questions involved the fifth amendment.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not only do people do not want this technology, people appear to also not trust this technology. When people also find out that this technology is in the hands of ex spyware companies like Phorm (121Media) who have shown, cunning, deception and lots of smoke and mirrors historically in the past, some people seem to have a genuine mistrust.

Personally, when I read quoted statements that Phorm uses from other sources far more respected than I, sometimes I feel that Phorm's text could mislead the reader. Yes, the sources they quote and the words that are said are often factual, but not always the true context of what was said by the original writer comes across in the manner in which it is reported. I have read a damming report on Phorm and when I looked at the quotes picked out by Phorm from that same report, if I had not read the original report, I could have believed Phorm/Webwise was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

This to me is not a sign that a leopard has changed its spots. It makes me mistrust Phorm even more. Is this transparency?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks for the information Dephormation.

I didn't realise it was also being trialled in Scotland. I look forward to receiving their invitation :)

I would ask Robert, but I don't think he's speaking to me at the moment (or at least not listening to me :rolleyes:)

D_A

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Transparency, Honesty, Accountability and Trust is what IMO this campaign has been about.

As to 'one rule', it seems that in this country, there is a different rule for large corporations and their executives, they can carry out 'technical breaches' of the law with impunity.

If Phorm/ Webwise ever goes live on VM's network, my 'public funds' will be withdrawn from their income.

(second attempt)