Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I provided the police with a very comprehensive case file yesterday which is being investigated.

A member of the press was there when I handed them the file and heard the officer state it would be handed to their specialist crime investigation unit, so whereas I have no reason to believe the police are not taking this serious, it would be a mistake for them to try and talk their way out of it.

Alexander Hanff

SelfProtection

17-07-2008 19:03

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34602299)

I provided the police with a very comprehensive case file yesterday which is being investigated.

Alexander Hanff

JUst pick this up via Badphorm Website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7511671.stm

SMHarman

17-07-2008 19:03

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by warescouse (Post 34602263)

I suppose again, strictly speaking ;), (and correct me again if I am wrong) while Phorm may have decided at the time not to intercept flow, initially to avoid the redirect issues for Safari browsers and therefore not serve the adverts, the data itself is still intercepted (as it effectively still in-line).

The difference being is that they are inasmuch simulating an opt out scenario.

It is my understanding that there is still nothing theoretically and technically speaking that could stop Phorm copying everything that is going on in that particular browsing session for whatever reason. Unless Opt out totally avoids Phorm's equipment altogether at account level we are relying purely on trust that this does not and will not occur.

Yes in the same way all data on all ports goes through their L7 Switches, they just chose to pick out and analyse the http stream on port 80.

As it's competitor has publicly stated...

NebuAd can, but does not, monitor e-mail, instant messages or Internet phone calls, a spokeswoman said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...v=rss_business

D_Advocate

17-07-2008 19:19

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Out of the Twilight.

A couple of questions related to the Phorm campaign if I may ...

I have scoured the press and media sources, but it appears that
they have shown little or no interest in the BT AGM meeting or
the protest. I'm therefore unable to gauge the level of protest.

Can someone please give me a reasonable estimate as to how many
protesters actually turned up ?

Secondly, to Alexander Hanff ...

Throughout your involvement in the anti-Phorm campaign, you have
repeatedly mentioned on various forums and your own website, that
you have no personal income yourself, and therefore would like
voluntary donations via Paypal to enable you to continue and
maintain your efforts.

As it has been the anti-Phorm campaigners who have been making
said donations, and, as you state, those donations have been/are
being used to finance your contribution to the campaign, I'm sure
you agree that you should be accountable to the contributers as to
how their donations have been used ?

I therefore do not consider it unreasonable to ask if you can ...

(a) state how much you have received in the way of donations toward
the campaign, and ..

(b) state how much of those donations you have actually used to finance
the campaign.

As you are obviously someone who is a great believer in accuracy, and
no doubt someone who pays due diligence with regard to donations and
expenditure, I'm sure these figures must be readily at hand to you.

I apologise if you have already published these figure elsewhere,
but unfortunately I have been unable to find them.

Regards,
D_A

AlexanderHanff

17-07-2008 19:25

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_Advocate (Post 34602308)

Out of the Twilight.

A couple of Phorm related questions if I may ...

I have scoured the press and media sources, but it appears that
they have shown little or no interest in the BT AGM meeting or
the protest. I'm therefore unable to gauge the level of protest.

Can someone please give me a reasonable estimate as to how many
protesters actually turned up ?

Secondly, to Alexander Hanff ...

Throughout your involvement in the anti-Phorm campaign, you have
repeatedly mentioned on various forums and your own website, that
you have no personal income yourself, and therefore would like
voluntary donations via Paypal to enable you to continue and
maintain your efforts.

As it has been the anti-Phorm campaigners who have been making
said donations, and, as you state, those donations have been/are
being used to finance your contribution to the campaign, I'm sure
you agree that you should be accountable to the contributers as to
how their donations have been used ?

I therefore do not consider it unreasonable to ask if you can ...

(a) state how much you have received in the way of donations toward
the campaign, and ..

(b) state how much of those donations you have actually used to finance
the campaign.

As you are obviously someone who is a great believer in accuracy, and
no doubt someone who pays due diligence with regard to donations and
expenditure, I'm sure these figures must be readily at hand to you.

I apologise if you have already published these figure elsewhere,
but unfortunately I have been unable to find them.

Regards,
D_A

The figures were posted on the NoDPI web site with regards to how much we needed to raise and what it would be spent on as part of the fund raising post.

There has also been some additional expenditure on domain names this week, other expenses related to the event include parking of Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£20 and petrol Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£80, extra insurance for the driver of Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£15 and a whole bunch of other things.

I don't really think this is the appropriate place to discuss this though, I can assure you that to date I am out of pocket from the campaign work I have engaged in over the past 5 months and that those expenses have been well in excess of Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£1000.

Alexander Hanff

Tarquin L-Smythe

17-07-2008 19:29

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_Advocate (Post 34602308)

Out of the Twilight.

A couple questions related to the Phorm campaign if I may ...

I have scoured the press and media sources, but it appears that
they have shown little or no interest in the BT AGM meeting or
the protest. I'm therefore unable to gauge the level of protest.

Can someone please give me a reasonable estimate as to how many
protesters actually turned up ?

Secondly, to Alexander Hanff ...

Throughout your involvement in the anti-Phorm campaign, you have
repeatedly mentioned on various forums and your own website, that
you have no personal income yourself, and therefore would like
voluntary donations via Paypal to enable you to continue and
maintain your efforts.

As it has been the anti-Phorm campaigners who have been making
said donations, and, as you state, those donations have been/are
being used to finance your contribution to the campaign, I'm sure
you agree that you should be accountable to the contributers as to
how their donations have been used ?

I therefore do not consider it unreasonable to ask if you can ...

(a) state how much you have received in the way of donations toward
the campaign, and ..

(b) state how much of those donations you have actually used to finance
the campaign.

As you are obviously someone who is a great believer in accuracy, and
no doubt someone who pays due diligence with regard to donations and
expenditure, I'm sure these figures must be readily at hand to you.

I apologise if you have already published these figure elsewhere,
but unfortunately I have been unable to find them.

Regards,
D_A

And your reasons for wanting Mr Hanff to publicly post that information is?
sorry mate this is a debate about personal privacy.

JohnHorb

17-07-2008 19:32

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_Advocate (Post 34602308)

.....you should be accountable to the contributers as to
how their donations have been used ?

Regards,
D_A

Do we take it you were a contributer then? If not, what business is it of yours?

AlexanderHanff

17-07-2008 19:36

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I think it is fair to say if I was in this to try and rip people off, I could just put ads on the nodpi website, it generates enough traffic to make that profitable. I do find the tone of your post a little offensive D_Advocate.

Alexander Hanff

SelfProtection

17-07-2008 19:36

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnHorb (Post 34602318)

Do we take it you were a contributer then? If not, what business is it of yours?

Trying to sow the seeds of doubt, must be getting worried!

D_Advocate

17-07-2008 19:37

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34602311)

None of which answers my questions (a) or (b)

D_A

Raistlin

17-07-2008 19:40

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Ok, question asked and answer given.

I would suggest that it is for those people that contributed directly to satisfy themselves that their contributions have been used in a manner with which they are comfortable, and that such discussion is not necessarily appropriate for this forum.

I'm sure that Alexander will continue to answer questions offline from those people that have any concerns, but would ask at this stage that we do not allow details on the financial arrangements of the Anti-Phorm campaign to dilute the topic of this thread.

Thank you.

D_Advocate

17-07-2008 19:42

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarquin L-Smythe (Post 34602316)

And your reasons for wanting Mr Hanff to publicly post that information is?
sorry mate this is a debate about personal privacy.

My reason is that Mr. Hanff is recieving and using public
funds (contributions).

Indeed it is about personal privacy, but doesn't that encompass accountability ? How many posts in this thread have been about BT's accountability ? .. or is it one rule for one and a different rule for others ?

D_A

SelfProtection

17-07-2008 19:46

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[QUOTE=D_Advocate;34602336]My reason is that Mr. Hanff is recieving and using public
funds (contributions).

How many posts in this thread have been about BT's accountability ?

For that information, if you care to read through the entire thread, you will find out!

AlexanderHanff

17-07-2008 19:46

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_Advocate (Post 34602336)

As I said, this is not the place to discuss it. Furthermore, I did answer your question as to how much of the donations has been spent on the campaign. Given that the level of donations has not covered the costs, it would be logical to conclude that all campaign donations have been used for the campaign.

I will not discuss this here further, if you would like to contribute the significant amounts of money it takes to register as a charity, I would then be officially accountable to you and be happy to provide all financial details.

Alexander Hanff

MovedGoalPosts

17-07-2008 19:46

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

The place for such discussion on accountability for such contributions, is the website through which contributions were collected, i.e nodpi.org. Any further comment regarding this matter on this forum will be removed.

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