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Relocating people from the land they are currently on into another country on the basis of ethnicity by force is absolutely ethnic cleansing.

As a rule of thumb as yourself “if Russia did it what would it be called?”. If the answer is something else from Israel doing it then the problem isn’t in Palestine it is staring you in the face in the mirror.

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I don't think it can be argued that Israel haven't taken it to the very limit and then beyond.

I think the term Ethnic Cleansing is valid and using dehumanising language, which I also believe to be true, is worrying.

There is no doubt, that Hamas are animals, but innocent Palestinians are not and dehumanising humans makes it easier to justify mis-treatment.

Whilst comparisons between what actions Israel has undertaken and the actions of Nazi Germany are ludicrous and insulting, Israel should stop and take stock.

They had a valid and just reason to take action. They have now, I would assume, severely affected Hamas. They have clearly showed what they are capable of doing in response to any further future attack, either by Hamas or anyone else.

I think now is the time to stop, they retain the option to restart should they have to.

I also think Hamas need to release the remaining hostages.

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I am surprised you do not understand the concept of ethnic cleaning? Here's the currrent UN definition:

https://www.un.org/en/genocidepreven...leansing.shtml

As for the animals quote, here you go:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...-food-or-fuel/

https://twitter.com/SReports2/status...62775293280467

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Anyone carrying out similar alleged war crimes (on the same level as what Israel are doing in the occupied territories) on Jews with their politicians openly using the rhetoric of ethnic cleaning would absolutely and legitimately be compared with the Nazis. No-one would even pause to consider such a comparison as controversial.

Truth hurts I guess.

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However, the Israeli General wasn’t just talking about Hamas…

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If that's the bits he's willing to say in public one can only fear for the motivational speeches he gives his troops as they go in to slaughter innocent women and children. The videos of piles of children laid out in Gaza, gunned down by sniper fire, might give us a clue.

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Course you did, the piles of dead children tell me who his remark applied to

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Your judgement is not congruent with actuality.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...will-get-hell/

Re: Hamas Israel War
 

You very obviously have not listened to the Dan Carlin pod cast, the atrocities undertaken by the Nazis eclipse anything done by Hamas or Israel.

ISIS come close, but lack scale.

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I have no interest in reading a propaganda piece timed to claim that some people have a monopoly on who can (and who can not) invoke the word genocide.

Esteemed members of the forum routinely used it in the Russia invading Ukraine thread. A short checklist of the reasons for doing so have been met and egregiously exceeded by the Israeli state by any metric going. Deaths of civilians (in particular women and children), attacks on hospitals, attacks on places of worship, attacks on universities or other cultural symbols.

I didn’t see this podcast (or any similar ones) released to seek to police the language used following Russia beginning the special military operation. The West were more than happy to throw around claims of genocide then, I see no reason for to back away now.

One may say genocide “as commonly understood”.

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I'm struggling to see the relevance or indeed value of a genocide ranking here.

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I didn’t ask you read it, I asked you to listen.

It’s not a propaganda piece, it’s factual history.

Anyway if you don’t want to listen that’s fine. I’ll recount a story from it.

Gaza is terrible on its own merits but it is nothing compared to the holocaust and should never ever try to be equated to it. That my point.

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It’s not a ranking, it an equivalence that is trying to be pushed, where there absolutely isn’t one.

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I fail to see the point in centring current Palestinian suffering at the hands of the Israeli state around the historic suffering of Jews.

It’s up to others what terms they seek to use but I’m absolutely confident in those I have put forward in this thread. Historic events are irrelevant.

If the Jewish state cannot ground it’s own morality and treatment of others informed by history I fail to see why anyone should ground their judgement of it there.