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why cant they just put the more adult tv shows on disney+ and use age protection etc? another streaming service to pay towards by the same company....

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Which part of Disney+ is for family viewing did you not understand?

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I'm not sure whether or not the Star strand will require an additional subscription. In the US, I am sure they have Disney, Hulu and ESPN all with the one subscription.

You have intrigued me now, I'll try to find out.

[EDIT]

Yes, here we go. Disney+, Hulu and ESPN, the lot for $12.99 pm.

https://www.hulu.com/hulu-disney-espn-bundle-offer

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Alright no need to be like that mate! i'm just wondering why they did the whole "disney+ is for family viewing only!" rabbit hole to begin with. whats the difference between star wars and an entire planet being blown up or anakin massacring children....or half the universe being destroyed in the marvel films....

thats fine for the kids but other fox tv shows are too adult to be put on disney+? Seems like another way of getting more money to be honest by creating another service and if thats the strategy fair play but i'd wish they'd just admit it. disney buys fox but deems some of the product too adult for .....disney. huh

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I agree with you but sadly the corperations don't the way things are going streaming is going to cost far more than getting a vm or skytv sub.
All i'm going to say judging by the documentation we've recieved in work the past week streaming is going to get very expensive.

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And the more expensive it gets the more people will consider getting rid of it especially in these tough economic times for many out there.

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I myself have made huge cuts streaming wise i used to have prime, britbox, shudder, starz, netflix, hulu, disney+ but prices kept going up as more came along so now i use *cough* hulu and netflix.
And docs we recieved last week suggest Netflix is getting ready to bump up prices again and as some said might happen Prime is on that list for a potential price increase too.
I think you already know nowtv is going up in price too?

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My God, Legendkiller, you've been to town! As you know, I am a big advocate of the streamers, but I have kept our subscriptions down to what we can cope with, viewing wise. I have Netflix, Prime and StarzPlay and Now TV that I pay for, and I receive Apple+ on a free one-year trial. I may drop StarzPlay when I have to start paying for Apple+.

As new streamers come out I will review my choices, but I cannot see us coughing up for more than four streamers at a time, because we would never get around to watching it all.

I am still of the view that tne SVOD services are much better value than the pay-TV channels, and are likely to remain so..

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Well they have suggested that in some markets...

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/entertainme...fox-fx-2274486

“Chapek said the new Star-branded general entertainment offering will be “fully integrated” into Disney+ in many markets.”

That sounds like some markets will get something similar to Disney+Hotstar that collates all of the content portfolio under one platform.

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To me that suggests markets where they think they can get individual subs they will, whilst in less affluent societies they will bundle and get what they can.

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As I mentioned earlier, Hulu and ESPN are separate strands of Disney + in the States, and I believe similarly that Star will be a separate strand here. Don't know whether we will get sport, though, I've not read anything about that.

I would envisage that we will get a choice of bundles, and if so, I might be tempted to subscribe to the Star strand.

As for PIN numbers, parents can choose how to apply these to stop children from accessing unsuitable material.

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This exciting future, and fight for market share, looks more shambolic by the day.

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You guys ever wondered if you watch too much TV??
I set myself a monthly streaming budget of £15. Over the last couple of years we've had Netflix as a regular top-up and have had half-price NowTV for the last nine months for Sky Atlantic. We did a free week with Disney+ and another with Prime, but there's not enough of interest on either to tempt us to subscribe. If we ever have to pay full price for NowTV I'd drop it - I hate the way the new HBO series disappears from OnDemand four weeks after broadcast

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I would have expected nothing less from you, jfman. Negative, negative, negative.

Speaking for myself and my wider family, the streaming services have improved our viewing considerably.

If the streamers can reduce costs for the consumer, how is this a bad thing?

I’m sure you will think of something in the name of economics. I trust that you won’t disappoint!

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I agree with you about the limited viewing times on Now TV! Trust Sky to ruin the SVOD experience.

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That is of course a big if. You also can’t ask a question that’s fundamentally about economics and not expect an answer comprehensively grounded in it.

Others in the thread have questioned why one streaming company would offer a plethora of competing products, a legitimate question as it has the potential to remove economies of scale that have to date, in every major pay-tv market, made packages and bundles by far the most popular products in the marketplace.

Are you still paying for the top package Virgin offers? If so, with someone as enthusiastic about streaming as yourself clinging to traditional pay-tv offerings, it begs the question how and when the market gets shaken up.

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Are you paying less for TV content than before the streamers came along? To me, it seems like more cost and more choice than ever before.

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Exactly
Agreed

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Listen to yourself, jfman. Do you seriously believe tbat Sky offers better value than Netflix?

I don't see how your question about the top Virgin package is relevant. You know as well as I do that you can get programmes on the top package that you cannot currently get elsewhere. But that is changing, and we are close to a tippjng point.

I am in the fortunate position of being able to afford to support both systems, but this is very much a transitional period. If I had difficulty in balancing the household budget, then yes, I would ditch all the pay-tv channels.

How about you, jfman? What are your current viewing options? I don't think you've ever said.

By the way, I have ditched the Sky Cinema channels in favour of Now TV. I may go sooner before much longer. But it all depends on the advantage to me, and surely that is more important than any slavish conformity to principle.

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No, but this is a transitional period. The fact that you can subscribe to Netfix, Amazon and Now TV for less than £30 is surely a benefit to the consumer. How is that a bad thing?

I doubt very much that I will still be watching any pay-TV channels in five years' time. And my wallet will have more notes in it as a result.

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Completely irrelevant and a depressing take on the level of debate on this subject.

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Yes for me I do believe Sky offers better value purely because I watch and use my Sky services far more than Netflix each to their own I guess.

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I'm sure I've said before that I have Virgin (Sky Sports and Movies), Now TV, Netflix and Amazon Prime. I don't view these things as ideological, as you appear to do so, and each represents value in their own way.

I do believe that Sky offers better value than Netflix for my viewing habits - I consider such a view completely subjective yet uncontroversial. Others will feel differently. I think that's why they've got millions of customers averaging £500 a year to subscribe vs millions paying Netflix £96 a year or so.

I'm fortunate enough to be unaffected by the forthcoming recession, indeed not commuting makes me better off, however if I were Virgin TV and Sky Sports would be the last product to go. Until streamers can make sports rights viable this will remain the case.

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I fail to see how you can describe an average consumer, with relatively ordinary viewing habits, observing prices go up as having a 'depressing take'.

It may be depressing for your rose tinted streaming future however as consumer costs go up consumer demand falls. That takes me back to 'Economics 101'.

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Exactly. I'm happy for everyone - whether they watch television linear, on Freeview, on satellite or cable, on pay-tv or free to air, or through streaming.

There's only one user getting depressed about all this.

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Interesting that you, the self acclaimed economist, still receives Sky Cinema and Sky Sports through Virgin when you can get it cheaper through Now TV.

There is nothing ideological about this. It's about what is best value to the consumer.

Incidentally, the 'depressing take' was my observation on your comment, not on consumer choice. Read it again.

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I can’t, thank you for your concern over my personal finances. You’ve decided to make assumptions about my Virgin Media bundle that are flawed.

It’s entirely ideological. You struggle with the concept that rational consumers making choices in the marketplace find value from Sky. There’s absolutely no basis for that view whatsoever, considering they have millions of customers directly from Sky or Now TV and indirectly subscribing to their services through Virgin or BT.

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I’ll humour you though...

Three Unlimited Data £18
BT 500MB £58
Now TV Sky Sports £33
Now TV Sky Movies £12
BT Sports £25.

Already exceeded the RRP of Ultimate Oomph and can’t even record, have no basic entertainment or kids channels.

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I certainly don't struggle with that concept, jfman. It's just that I think the streamers give much better value.

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OK, apologies for that, then. I had assumed that as a regular contributor to the Cable Forum that you subscribed to Virgin Media.

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People come for the argu..err banter.

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I do have Virgin Media as confirmed in a number of posts. By “humouring” you Old Boy I’ve demonstrated that my package with Virgin is cheaper than the like for like alternatives contrary to your claim.

I know you struggle with the concept people get value from Sky or Virgin Media over streamers, which I believed was down to your poor judgement, but I stand corrected if it’s caused by failing eyesight.

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H'mm. Interesting play.

I have acknowledged in previous posts that sport is expensive and my assertion that streamers are better value clearly does not cover that. However, I remain convinced that prices for sport will come down over time, once the Sky/BT stranglehold on the footie is breached.

I have no problem whatsoever in understanding the value people get from Sky and VM. What I am saying is that the streamers are better value. Sport excepted, of course, we don't disagree on that.

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While we have both the streamers and the TV channels, I agree, but once we can get everything we want from the streamers, many of us won't be bothering at all with the TV channels. They are just too expensive and inflexible.

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There's very little interesting about the fact I subscribe to the cheapest service available for my needs. I challenge you to find me like for like products - if they're out there I'll happily subscribe.

You've exempted sport, which is frankly ridiculous as it carries by far the highest value of any rights out there. Pay tv companies don't apply these arbitrarily - they do so because they provide the greatest opportunity to extract value (and profits for shareholders).

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I have always exempted sport, jfman. I am not alone in finding the watching of other people playing games extremely boring.

Given that sport is your passion, your choice of Virgin to watch it is understandable, of course.

Hopefully, there will be better times ahead.

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“Better times ahead”?

This is where you’re running along the wrong track Old Boy. You assume that there’s something wrong with the present. Unless streaming lowers the costs to end users - and I see no evidence of how - the consumers are relatively well served by the current marketplace taking products from Now TV Sports at the low end to full package Sky/Virgin/BT at the top.

Thus far you’ve offered no business model other than “deep pockets”.

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I've explained that previously. Let's wait and see rather than forever going round in circles.

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This is the thing Old Boy.

You haven't explained this in any detail at any point. Please find one explanation and copy and paste it - this shouldn't be a particularly arduous task for someone as passionate as yourself about streaming to do, given you've spent six years making the same points over and over all I'm asking you to do is justify your position once.

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Well, I have explained various ways of reducing cost to consumers, so this would be a second, not a first explanation. I am not trawling through a huge wad of posts to play this game - you can do that if you have enough hours in the day.

I have explained previously that Sky's approach is to charge the maximum possible price and keep all the rights to itself. The example I gave before set out how Amazon, with its retail arm, could sell other products on the back of sports rights. It would gain additional Prime customers, encouraging them to shop on Amazon's site, and it could market football paraphernalia on the actual football channel site. It could grant non-exclusive rights of some matches to the terrestrial channels to generate further income, as well as allowing highlights to be shown on other channels after the event.

Sky's approach is not the only one. Instead of charging sky high prices for these matches, they could reduce the price and make it accessible to more people. They could also offer a range of packages which might attract more uptake.

Amazon might even offer football as a loss leader to promote other parts of its business, as it did for the rights already acquired to screen the Premier league matches. Amazon gave us those matches at no extra charge, something that I dare say Sky would never have contemplated.

I think the mistake people are making is to imagine that Amazon would operate in the same way as Sky does, fleecing customers for all its worth. I don't think it needs to be like that and I believe that Amazon would have a different approach.

Of course, it would be different for other streamers such as DAZN, who do not have a retail arm, but for them it would be more of a straight forward question of whether it would be worth it for them, drawing on their experience of acquiring rights for sport elsewhere. There would still be the other areas of flexibility on price and awarding non-exclusive rights, etc, though. I'm not sure whether DAZN's pockets are deep enough to take on Sky and BT, but Amazon has no such problems.

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You possibly can, but as you cannot record from NowTV it would be useless for my needs (and a lot of others I am sure)

Streaming getting involved in Sports Rights is bound to increase the cost to the user, as sky/BT will try to retain their shares whilst streamers will have to bid big to capture anything apart from low-hanging fruit.

In the medium term (say 10-15 years) customers will need to pay more for what they currently get as linear tv/streaming battle it out

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You really are talking through your ar*e - sky and BT both paused my sports subs for over 3 months as there were no EPL matches on.

Despite taking no money, the sports channels remained available so I was able to view past recordings and also watch live matches as they became available without any payment.

Additionally, when EPL restarted, I was treated to over 20 extra EPL matches on Sky and 15 or so extra on BT - at no extra cost.

Hardly fits with your assessment of Sky!

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It is another £3 to get Now TV in full HD.

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None of these look like particularly efficient mechanisms of recouping £4.5bn and making profit over and above that. I assume their calculators weren't working before they decided to not make a substantive bid for the rights in 2018.

Easy to give something away when you got the rights for peanuts.

The mistake is believing that Amazon are some kind of benign philanthropic organisation out there to give away free football, or that even if they were the UK would be their main target market and not the US, Germany or other major markets. Anyone spending £4.5bn on football rights is going to recoup the majority of that £4.5bn through selling a premium sports subscription.

Amazon already have 6.7m Prime subscribers - the low hanging fruit - and this number would need to be substantially driven up as a 'loss leader' to recoup the cost of the rights.

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Exactly!

Amazon’s global content budget for 2020 is estimated to be $7 Billion... so they will then go and spend another $2 Billon or so per year on top? For one territory alone? And give it away in the Prime Subscription and bank on selling some merchandise as a way of recouping? Plus not forgetting that selling highlights and free to air matches would likely be for the EPL to sell and not Amazon?

I’ll never say never but let’s not be silly that somehow they would then give that kind of investment away on the possibility - the possibility - of an uptick of new Prime subs and a few football tops! 😂😂 You spend that kind of money on football because you intend to make it back!

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Also worth reading this to get an idea about Amazon’s approach...

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...rts-media.aspx

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That’s an excellent read Phunk. Much higher quality than the usual blogs we get round here.

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They didn't do this through the goodness of their hearts! They simpy wanted to avoid people cancelling their subscriptions.

We all know why Sky and BT showed the free matches, and that was a one-off decision related to the Coronavirus emergency.

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Nor indeed, do Amazon do it through the goodness of their hearts. They want to sign people up to Prime. It’s a business.

You’re introducing emotive terminology, baselessly, to portray the status quo as bad and streaming as good. I don’t really understand why you relentlessly pursue this agenda on the forum. I’m sure I’m not the only one who finds it somewhat tiresome.

Sky charge “sky high” prices and could reduce the price to make it more accessible. Amazon, of course, will. Baseless nonsense, and I’m sure a free market capitalist such as yourself must see that such a theory is not on solid economic grounds.

Unless of course you don’t think the pay-tv market has sufficient competition and would support Government intervention and further regulation. While I’d welcome it, I don’t see how that benefits the consumer to tie one hand behind the back of Sky/BT to hand the rights to Amazon on the cheap. Indeed, it’d be bad for the League, quality of their product, and all that jazz.

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I quite agree.

Additionally, several times in the past couple of years I have purchased something through Amazon. Every time I have declined the Prime option, but every time apart from the most recent I have very quickly received an e-mail welcoming me to prime.

Several points,

1) if I purchased enough off the internet I might take prime
2) are they really allowed to retain my card details and sign me up using that card?
3) I definitely haven't given them permission to do so
4) they obviously do this because the last time I bought something through them, they didn't even ask for my card details!
5) how do I get them to remove my card details?

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1) Log on
2) Open "Your account"
3) Scroll down to the last box - "Membership & Subscriptions"
4) Open the "Membership and Subscriptions" option
5) This will show whether your membership is 'active'
6) Toggle 'membership options' for options
7) If active, will show membership expiry date
8) Click 'Advanced controls' for further options re credit cards

Remember you can cancel subscription at any time and still retain existing benefits. I want mine for tennis but every time I renew for a year I immediately cancel it so it does not auto renew. I think the only way you can remove your credit card is to close your account rather than have it in limbo. When you open an account they ask for a credit card so those details are retained so you cannot have an account without credit card details being held. Unlikely but if the credit card is about to expire you could choose not to update the expiry details to get round it!

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Another option is use a pre paid card with Amazon only top it up as you need too aka renewing prime or purchasing from Amazon.

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Sounds like a good option, I will investigate thanks - rarely use Amazon (or buy anything online to be fair) so that could be a good option.

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I use the cashplus card for online purchases, it's basically mastercard but pre paid.

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Even with that I think you need to supply credit card details at the start of registration even if you don't use it for purchases (from what I can remember when I joined eons ago) so they will still store Raider999's details. As a footnote (so Raider999 has a right to be concerned) an Amazon purchase was made with my Credit Card for around £35 a couple of months ago which Amex immediately picked up as a suspected fraud which meant I had to be sent a new card. How that was pursued from their end I have no idea but it was an annoyance.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...08040291310214

Interesting snippet in Amazon being investigated for price controls in Germany is that it is the second largest market to Amazon behind the United States.

Those Bundesliga clubs and indeed all citizens of the Federal Republic, must be salivating at the thought of the national game being bought up for billions and given away free so Amazon can sell some kits and other tat. They’ll remember that first season like the year they broke down the Wall.

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Similar to an extent to the position in England, Amazon took over some rights in the previous Bundesliga deal cheaply when they weren't especially wanted (in the German case when Eurosport had bought up some games and decided to offload them).

The latest rights going forward have recently been auctioned, and Amazon have nothing going forward - Sky and DAZN have them.

German Rights News

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Not sure where you get the footy connection from that link?

From what i can see Amazon blocked some retailers from charging 300 euros for a bog roll (or something like that)

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Always entertained by input to this thread. I’ll just shrug my shoulders for now...

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:)

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If anyone wants to invest in the possible future of TV, DAZN is seeking to raise $1bn and enter 200 countries next year.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...-funding-push/

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do we know whats going to happen with premier league games? no one can attend obviously....surely the uk govt dont want people turning up at grounds to listen to games? Surely all games should go live on tv until people can return? Could be dangerous otherwise!

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In Scotland they are allowing clubs to stream Home games to season ticket holders as part of their sub and offer PPV to Away fans. The PPV option is only available if Sky aren't showing the match.

Maybe they can implement something similar. Most clubs have their own online TV service in the top flights.

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Old Boy should be all over this.

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Talks are happening between 5 broadcasters and the premier league, BT, SKY, ITV, BBC and a unknown broadcaster which we suspect is Amazon.
EFL i have no idea at the moment but hopefully something will arrive in the office next week.

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Currently the plans are to revert to the contracted amount of games, albeit this rises to 220? Games this season.

The agreement to show all games, some free to air, was purely to enable the 2019/20 season to be completed.

With Sky & BT paying vast sums for the rights to show selected games I do not think they would allow the same to happen for the new season.

Do not forget Sky show 30 mins highlights of all weekend games not televised live - presumably they pay for the right to do this.

They have options of course -

1) they could show the extra games free to air for a reduction in their contracted payments
2) they could agree to the extra games being streamed, again presumably for a reduction

To name a couple

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The EFL have reached a ground-breaking deal with Sky Sports that will enable clubs in all three divisions to stream every match next season live on their websites.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eam-match.html

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Sounds like the Scottish solution. Which has been working pretty well. The PPV cost is up to the club here. So far I've seen £12.50 and £17.50 for the ones I've looked at/watched myself.

The season ticket holders were simply given access instructions which used their ticket to access. They don't have to do anything but type them in, the account is set up for them.

Only one device can use them as any subsequent logins, log off the previous one. So no sharing.

The only weird bit is Away fans have to register an account with their opponents before they can order a match. Suppose if this continues the whole season it'll get used multiple times.

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Fantastic find Den mate.

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It will certainly be of interest to my younger brothers as they are both season ticket holders

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Does this mean that the EFL clubs have abandoned ifollow?

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I believe its with iFollow

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Well I hope the picture quality is better than last season. When Sky were showing midweek games on the red button, the sd was awful quality.

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SkyQ users got a HD stream.

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For those forum members who just want to flop in their armchairs and watch whatever is on at the time, this may be for you!

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...huffle-button/

Netflix is trialling a new feature, designed to take the pain out of choosing what to watch.

In the last few days a number of subscribers have reported seeing a large button labelled ‘Shuffle Play’ on the home screen beneath the profile icon. When pressed, the streaming service will randomly play content that it believes the user will like, based on what’s been viewed in the past.

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Only a matter of time before they decide to launch a linear channel to showcase their content.

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Don't give him ideas Sir...;)

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After finding members find hours scrolling trying to find something to watch :D

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as tough as it is searching through netflix its nothing as painful as amazon prime

"ooh that looks good....wait you have to pay for it..."

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Completely agree.

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Spot on Vince as it was bad enough a couple of years ago searching though Amazon Prime but they have made it even worse now instead of improving it.

One wonders who they employ to do these things as they have little idea of how to lay out menu's concisely and clearly.

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Prime TV via Fire devices has had a neat little upgrade in the form of a menu item called “free to me”, which gives you a view exclusively of prime-inclusive content. The feature doesn’t exist on my Samsung tv though. :afire:

Even where the feature does exist though, as soon as you select a film or tv show, the ‘customers also watched’ at the bottom of the screen is the usual mix of inclusive and extra charge content. It’s a pain in the sphincter.

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Netflix are giving access for free to some of their content. https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/31/2...ional-campaign

Here’s a full list of the TV shows and films available to watch for free:

Stranger Things
Murder Mystery
Elite
The Boss Baby: Back in Business
Bird Box
When they See Us
Love is Blind
The Two Popes
Our Planet
Grace and Frankie

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Only the first episode of each show is free.

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Not such a good deal then - suck you in with a freebie then sell you the rest of the series!

I was under the impression that you paid a sub for Netflix, then all content was free (included in the sub) - from this I take it I was wrong?

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Yes, you're wrong as you've missed the point. You get to see the first episode or film free without a sub.Then if you want to watch more you sub, then all content is free from there. It's called marketing.;)

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So I was correct -you pay a sub and everything is free from there on?

Just want to get it clear that as a subscriber you are not charged extra for certain programmes?

I accept your marketing point that you can watch the first episode of these series free without a sub.

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Yes, Raider, once you pay your Netflix subscription, everything on there is available to watch without further charge.

On Amazon, the stuff you pay for is additional content for which they do not have the rights.
All the content that is free is clearly marked 'Prime'. It's not an issue for me, it really is quite straight forward.

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... except that it isn’t that straightforward and there are several box sets, for example, that are only partially free (first five seasons of Arrow, for example, but pay-for after that), and others that go on Prime entirely free for such a short time you can’t possibly watch it all before it reverts to subscription. Amazon’s commitment to a simple subscriptions based service, or to commissioning prime-inclusive original content, is lukewarm at best. At the moment its interface is also horribly cluttered with links to inconsequential live sports events (mostly tennis, it seems).

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It's technically marketing i guess the idea would be people see the first episode then will want to see more so subscribe.
HBO and Showtime do similar in USA.

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Bad news for fledgling streaming service DAZN as Anthony Joshua’s next fight is being put off til next spring, and they struggle to find an ‘acceptable’ opponent for Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez. Considering the latter is on a $365m 10 fight deal I’d politely suggest it’s better that he fights someone rather than no-one.

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An alternative point of view is a fight against a weak opponent is no draw for DAZN who presumably need to increase subscribers not lose them.

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The thought among those close to the matter is they are only offering him $18m for this fight, citing Covid-19. He knows he’s the biggest pay-per-view draw in the game at the minute and more likely to seek to be released from his contract.

An easy way for DAZN to remove $300m of future liabilities I suppose.

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https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...ms-in-germany/

"Ben King, chief subscription officer at DAZN Group, said; “Research shows us that pay TV customers in Germany prefer to watch the majority of their video entertainment via their pay TV set-top-box. We appreciate that by asking them to switch to a secondary device to watch Bundesliga, Champions League or NFL has been placing an unnecessary obstacle between them and the sports they love."

Isn't that the problem Eleven Sports had in the UK? They couldn't secure a carriage deal for any of the major TV platforms. Think DAZN will have the same problem.

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Spot on Chad.

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Agreed, streaming maybe ok fir those that want to watch it there and then - but does it work for those that want to time shift?

Currently BT Sport has premiership rugby on its Extra channels (Red Button) - as far as I'm aware there is no way to record these and they are not available on-demand at a later date.

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DAZN have been quite active in getting onto STBs... I know they have carriage on Sky in Italy & Germany and set up a whole new strategy called ‘DAZN For Operators’ after they launched on Comcast’s STBs in the US.

(They also set up a linear channel on Sky in Italy called DAZN1 which may prove controversial to some people in this forum!)

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At the end of the day you’ve got to sell what the customers want, and convenience is part of that. Premier Sports have a good strategy in this regard - they have an app for those who want to stream and are available on Sky/Virgin. Their app is very good, and can cast to Chromecast, Fire Stick etc.

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Agree Premier Sport have nailed it which is why they are more succesful in the UK than the likes of ESPN, Setanta and Eleven sport were.

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Are they? That surprises me a little.

Any idea of the number of UK subscribers?

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The fact they exist suggests to me that they are having more ‘success’ than those mentioned in the post.

Subscriber numbers aren’t comparable - ESPN and Setanta at their height were aiming to compete with Sky and had Premiership rights.

Premier are clearly not aiming to take on Sky. A comparison with Eleven would be perfectly valid, however I’m not sure they hung around long enough to publish subscriber numbers, were they?

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Considering they're still going and are growing their sporting coverage aswell as recently adding a third channel suggests they are.
They will never be on the scale of SKY and BT ofcourse but for what Premier sport is one would imagine they're doing quite well.

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The BT Sport channels are available on BT's own EPG in HD - but Sky and Virgin only get Red Button SD access.

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SD is old tech!

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So is broadcast TV. �� Not watched any since Christmas.

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That puts you in the minority then.

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They're making a go of La Liga and Serie A, something Eleven couldn't with their niche product. It's certainly a most welcome development that a broadcaster with the flexibility to operate with the major platforms and with their own app has the rights.

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I enjoy their NASCAR coverage.

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I use the BT Sport App and its all in HD and I can cast to the TV.

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Just watched The Boys on Amazon Prime through my V6 and noticed other languages were not forced translating. Anyone else finding this problem using the V6. PS4 does it automatically.

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I’m wondering if it’s an artistic decision on certain shows. Warrior Nun on Netflix doesn’t always subtitle, and there’s plenty of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese in it, but I think generally you’re supposed to get the gist from the context and the actor’s body language on the occasions when they don’t. I’ve not watched any of The Boys S2 yet but when I do I’ll report back (from my Samsung Smart TV, which has the Prime Video app factory loaded).

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The Boys does on the PS4 but not the V6. Looks like it could be device specific