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muppetman11 14-02-2018 09:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...022-rights/p88

This post gives a breakdown of the reciprocal deal between Sky and BT , it seems there could be some more sensible pricing for taking both.

denphone 14-02-2018 09:51
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35936752)
A distinct possibility, Den. Sky can only bid for one of them - do you think it will be the Bank Holiday package?
Possibly OB but then what do l know...

ozsat 14-02-2018 11:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
I see from this that they were offering a total of four days (over two deals) as all matches in one day - so multi-channel or red button offering.

The only day I can see a broadcaster going for this is the last day of the season with the total still open - or perhaps Boxing Day.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35936711)
So the packs remaining:

Package F – NOT YET ASSIGNED

Total matches: 20 Matches per club: Max two; Min two

Kick-off times: All 20 matches from one Bank Holiday and one midweek fixture programme

Package G – NOT YET ASSIGNED

Total matches: 20 Matches per club: Max two; Min two

Kick-off times: All 20 matches from two midweek fixture programmes

Does that mean however wins say one of these packages have to simulcast all games on that day? For example all 10 games from a bank holiday at the same time? 10 games simulcast from a Wednesday? If so it's no surprise a buyer hasn't been secured yet.

Gavin-D 14-02-2018 11:48
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
BT really need to get at least 1 of the 2 remaining packs

muppetman11 14-02-2018 12:04
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35936766)
BT really need to get at least 1 of the 2 remaining packs
Why do they if the remaining two packs aren't worth spending more for.

denphone 14-02-2018 12:08
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35936767)
Why do they if the remaining two packs aren't worth spending more for.
They still need to pad out their schedules MM.

muppetman11 14-02-2018 12:40
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35936768)
They still need to pad out their schedules MM.
Not really BT has a decent portfolio of Sports rights these days.

Gavin-D 14-02-2018 12:46
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35936767)
Why do they if the remaining two packs aren't worth spending more for.
Remeber at present they have mid week slots along with the Saturday the new champions league and Europa league deal runs out in 2021 if they lose the next bid and end up with 10 less PL games a season the football portfolio will be well down

Will they pay more than £1.18bn next time for the CL?

If they are really serious about PL games they really need to show it in this auction and get another pack

Media Boy UK 14-02-2018 12:54
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35936772)
Remeber at present they have mid week slots along with the Saturday the new champions league and Europa league deal runs out in 2021 if they lose the next bid and end up with 10 less PL games a season the football portfolio will be well down

Will they pay more than £1.18bn next time for the CL?

If they are really serious about PL games they really need to show it in this auction and get another pack
I hope BT out bid Sky for the SPFL rights (Scottish Football).

SPFL rights are up at the end of Season 2020/2021.

Chad 14-02-2018 13:02
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35936775)
I hope BT out bid Sky for the SPFL rights (Scottish Football).

SPFL rights are up at the end of Season 2020/2021.
I think BT will land the Scottish Cup in the next month or so

Richc1977 14-02-2018 14:14
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35936771)
Not really BT has a decent portfolio of Sports rights these days.
A decent set of rights but Sundays are still sadly lacking and that's usually when I'm home.

alwaysabear 14-02-2018 14:27
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Looks like the EPL has made a mistake with the final two packs. From what I have read no bids were received at the price they wanted.

Media Boy UK 14-02-2018 14:50
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35936792)
Looks like the EPL has made a mistake with the final two packs. From what I have read no bids were received at the price they wanted.
We think Channel 5 or Eurosport may pick them up.

But here an outside bet - Premier Sports / Freesport bidding for them.;)

denphone 14-02-2018 15:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
An assessment of the near-£4.5bn committed to Premier League clubs for live UK televising of their matches from 2019-22

https://www.theguardian.com/football...s-sky-bt-sport

OLD BOY 14-02-2018 16:47
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35936794)
We think Channel 5 or Eurosport may pick them up.

But here an outside bet - Premier Sports / Freesport bidding for them.;)
I was surprised that Discovery didn't make a play for it this time, although I recognise that next time it will be very different!

muppetman11 14-02-2018 17:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35936819)
I was surprised that Discovery didn't make a play for it this time, although I recognise that next time it will be very different!
Oh dear were not talking about next time already are we :banghead:

denphone 14-02-2018 17:26
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35936826)
Oh dear were not talking about next time already are we :banghead:
Now now MM lets not get on to that chestnut now.;):D

ozsat 14-02-2018 17:36
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
If the details of the packs posted a few post back are correct - which channel would bid for a package of 20 matches which all have to be shown on just two days ?

OLD BOY 14-02-2018 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35936826)
Oh dear were not talking about next time already are we :banghead:
Have been for a while, my dear chap! :Yes:

alwaysabear 14-02-2018 17:46
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35936794)
We think Channel 5 or Eurosport may pick them up.

But here an outside bet - Premier Sports / Freesport bidding for them.;)
There not very attractive to those broadcasters cost wise and the multiple screening required, although Eurosport could use its online player to screen multiple games.

Gavin-D 14-02-2018 21:09
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@mjshrimper

They'll be no more bidding this week for the last two Premier League rights packages, which suggests they're a long way off want they want money-wise. Might have to tweak the offer a tad.

alwaysabear 14-02-2018 22:17
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35936866)
@mjshrimper

They'll be no more bidding this week for the last two Premier League rights packages, which suggests they're a long way off want they want money-wise. Might have to tweak the offer a tad.
They may have to offer more games or spread out more to get people interested.

Chad 15-02-2018 08:42
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The Financial Times giving their view on the Premier League rights sale. Interesting points made about BT's investment in sport and how it could be viewed as a wasted exercise:

https://www.ft.com/content/49a54742-...e-08320fc2a277

Don't know if you'll able to view the link or not. I could but now I can't.

denphone 15-02-2018 09:03
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35936935)
The Financial Times giving their view on the Premier League rights sale. Interesting points made about BT's investment in sport and how it could be viewed as a wasted exercise:

https://www.ft.com/content/49a54742-...e-08320fc2a277

Don't know if you'll able to view the link or not. I could but now I can't.
No you can't Chad.

Mr K 15-02-2018 10:19
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The money, whichever way you look at it, is obscene. Gave up on the Premiership a long time ago. Non-league is where real football and supporters are. tbh, the quality of football isn't much different and the entertainment level higher.

smallclone 15-02-2018 10:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35936955)
the quality of football isn't much different
:redcard:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/02/1.gif

Chad 15-02-2018 19:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35936940)
No you can't Chad.
That's a pity. It was a good read. It was highlighting that BT's share price is almost identical to what it was prior to blowing billions on sports rights. Investors are starting to question the strategy as so far, nearly 5 years after becoming involved in sports, the growth they expected hasn't materlised.

1andrew1 15-02-2018 20:08
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35936935)
The Financial Times giving their view on the Premier League rights sale. Interesting points made about BT's investment in sport and how it could be viewed as a wasted exercise:

https://www.ft.com/content/49a54742-...e-08320fc2a277

Don't know if you'll able to view the link or not. I could but now I can't.
Google the headline "Sky the winner as BT trims Premier League ambitions" and you will be able to read it. Allowed three articles a day this way I think.

---------- Post added at 20:08 ---------- Previous post was at 20:04 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35937042)
That's a pity. It was a good read. It was highlighting that BT's share price is almost identical to what it was prior to blowing billions on sports rights. Investors are starting to question the strategy as so far, nearly 5 years after becoming involved in sports, the growth they expected hasn't materlised.
Thing is BT's share price may have been even lower if it hadn't gone down the TV route. The real drain on BT has been the issues with its IT arm, especially Italy.
BT takes £225m hit over Italy accounting scandal

alwaysabear 15-02-2018 20:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35937050)
Google the headline "Sky the winner as BT trims Premier League ambitions" and you will be able to read it. Allowed three articles a day this way I think.

---------- Post added at 20:08 ---------- Previous post was at 20:04 ----------

Thing is BT's share price may have been even lower if it hadn't gone down the TV route. The real drain on BT has been the issues with its IT arm, especially Italy.
BT takes £225m hit over Italy accounting scandal
Not forgetting a massive black hole in the Pension fund approx£14 Billion. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...lack-hole.html

denphone 15-02-2018 20:25
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35937050)
Google the headline "Sky the winner as BT trims Premier League ambitions" and you will be able to read it. Allowed three articles a day this way I think.

---------- Post added at 20:08 ---------- Previous post was at 20:04 ----------

Thing is BT's share price may have been even lower if it hadn't gone down the TV route. The real drain on BT has been the issues with its IT arm, especially Italy.
BT takes £225m hit over Italy accounting scandal
Indeed that is why they went down the TV route to shore up their customer base so they will probably see it as money well spent.

Gavin-D 18-02-2018 15:53
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TV FOR TWO Premier League may sell ‘super pack’ of unsold TV rights while Amazon may join Sky and BT in bidding war

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...tatement:Sport

Richc1977 19-02-2018 11:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35937479)
TV FOR TWO Premier League may sell ‘super pack’ of unsold TV rights while Amazon may join Sky and BT in bidding war

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...tatement:Sport
I reckon this is a load of bull, just speculation by the press.

PL have already committed to Ofcom that at least 42 matches must go to secondary broadcasters so this would exclude SKY from bidding on this so called super pack. That would seriously piss SKY off as they currently hold the rights to the near live matches and I imagine, given they dedicated PL channel, that they would like to be able to retain these. The PL do not want to piss SKY off.

IMO the only way the PL could make this work would be to exact 10 live games from the packs (maybe the top picks with 10 different times slots, 4 bank holiday, 6 midweek) and then bundle the remaining 30 with the near live rights and clips package.

Raider999 20-02-2018 18:54
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35937479)
TV FOR TWO Premier League may sell ‘super pack’ of unsold TV rights while Amazon may join Sky and BT in bidding war

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...tatement:Sport

Do you believe anything written in that apology for a rag?

---------- Post added at 18:54 ---------- Previous post was at 18:47 ----------

As I understand it, the midweek matches package will be spread over 2 or 3 days (Tues, Wed & Thurs) - presumably ok will all be 7:30 to 8pm.

As someone posted, this will suit streaming rather than sky or BT - however it appears either reserve price was too high or bids were derisory.

If these packages are sold way below the others there is a distinct possibility that sky and BT will co-operate to bring the main package prices down next time around. Additionally PL will not endear themselves to sky and BT who supply a huge amount of money if others get rights for a fraction of what sky and BT pay.

OB was wrong this time, now concentrating on next time - somethings never change.

Forgot to say, the streaming of NRL games outside of Australia & New Zealand has now been priced.

8 games available each week for the princely sum of £22 per month - needless to say I have declined and will watch the 2 games a week included in my sky subscription.

OLD BOY 20-02-2018 19:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35937807)
Do you believe anything written in that apology for a rag?

---------- Post added at 18:54 ---------- Previous post was at 18:47 ----------

As I understand it, the midweek matches package will be spread over 2 or 3 days (Tues, Wed & Thurs) - presumably ok will all be 7:30 to 8pm.

As someone posted, this will suit streaming rather than sky or BT - however it appears either reserve price was too high or bids were derisory.

If these packages are sold way below the others there is a distinct possibility that sky and BT will co-operate to bring the main package prices down next time around. Additionally PL will not endear themselves to sky and BT who supply a huge amount of money if others get rights for a fraction of what sky and BT pay.

OB was wrong this time, now concentrating on next time - somethings never change.

Forgot to say, the streaming of NRL games outside of Australia & New Zealand has now been priced.

8 games available each week for the princely sum of £22 per month - needless to say I have declined and will watch the 2 games a week included in my sky subscription.
What? I have been saying for quite a while that although an Amazon bid was possible this time, a serious bid was unlikely until the 2022 process. You are either twisting what I said deliberately or you are misremembering.

A quick check of my previous posts will confirm what I have just said.

muppetman11 20-02-2018 19:55
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35937811)
What? I have been saying for quite a while that although an Amazon bid was possible this time, a serious bid was unlikely until the 2022 process. You are either twisting what I said deliberately or you are misremembering.

A quick check of my previous posts will confirm what I have just said.
It's not likely at all put simply it's too expensive just for UK rights alone and wouldn't benefit Amazon at all.

The Sports rights Amazon picks up will be smaller ones and rights it can exploit across multiple territories.

denphone 20-02-2018 19:56
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35937813)
It's not likely at all put simply it's to expensive just for UK rights alone and wouldn't benefit Amazon at all.
Summed up succinctly MM..

Raider999 20-02-2018 21:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35937813)
It's not likely at all put simply it's too expensive just for UK rights alone and wouldn't benefit Amazon at all.

The Sports rights Amazon picks up will be smaller ones and rights it can exploit across multiple territories.
I could see Amazon bidding for some of the non-Uk rights when they are renewed, but have to agree - the only possible benefit to them (or any new bidder) would be to get their toe in the water.

Sky and BT can each have 1 of the remaining packages because the rules state no one broadcaster can have more than 5 packages (currently Sky have 4 and BT 1)

Richc1977 21-02-2018 15:44
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BT extends MotoGP rights for 3 years

https://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-...gp-rights-deal

Gavin-D 02-03-2018 11:33
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Looks like VM are offering Sky Sports to some customers for £15.88 a month for 1 year via email

OLD BOY 07-03-2018 18:05
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Over 200 hours of sport from the Commonwealth Games will be broadcast this April on the Beeb. Looks like they have secured exclusive rights on this occasion.

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/03/...monwealth.html

denphone 07-03-2018 18:16
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Excellent news.

telegramsam 08-03-2018 08:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939871)
Over 200 hours of sport from the Commonwealth Games will be broadcast this April on the Beeb. Looks like they have secured exclusive rights on this occasion.

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/03/...monwealth.html
Brilliant!Yet more moving around/postponing of regular programing!

Raider999 08-03-2018 09:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35939935)
Brilliant!Yet more moving around/postponing of regular programing!

Personally I don't think people can complain about the lack of sport on BBC and then moan about 'regular' programming being moved around/postponed.

telegramsam 08-03-2018 10:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35939943)
Personally I don't think people can complain about the lack of sport on BBC and then moan about 'regular' programming being moved around/postponed.
Well I for one have never moaned about the lack of sport on the Beeb. I think they should put all their sport on BBC2 and the red button. BBC2 programs can be put on ice until the games are over. Here's an idea rename BBC2 BBC Olympics for the duration of the games.

denphone 08-03-2018 10:17
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35939943)
Personally I don't think people can complain about the lack of sport on BBC and then moan about 'regular' programming being moved around/postponed.
Indeed one cannot have it both ways.

Bircho 08-03-2018 15:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35939947)
BBC2 programs can be put on ice until the games are over.
They were during the winter Olympics :)

OLD BOY 08-03-2018 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35939935)
Brilliant!Yet more moving around/postponing of regular programing!
Yes, but if you record all the good stuff you want to watch, you can fall back on those recordings.

Alternatively, you can browse all the on demand stuff, of which there is quite a lot, or watch some Netflix or Amazon, if you subscribe.

Chad 10-03-2018 00:34
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This is nothing more than speculation however heard a suggestion BT will be launching a PPV channel on SKY and Youview real soon. The channel will be used for PPV boxing and some UFC events.... allegedly.

telegramsam 10-03-2018 11:53
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35940011)
Yes, but if you record all the good stuff you want to watch, you can fall back on those recordings.

Alternatively, you can browse all the on demand stuff, of which there is quite a lot, or watch some Netflix or Amazon, if you subscribe.
The point I was trying to make is you tune in to watch say the news only to find its been moved to bbc 2, by which time you may of missed 5 or 10 minutes of it or else it's running late and consequently all other programs or they get cancelled.

OLD BOY 10-03-2018 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35940199)
The point I was trying to make is you tune in to watch say the news only to find its been moved to bbc 2, by which time you may of missed 5 or 10 minutes of it or else it's running late and consequently all other programs or they get cancelled.
Yes, that's annoying, but you can fall back on the news channels.

telegramsam 11-03-2018 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35940220)
Yes, that's annoying, but you can fall back on the news channels.
Local news?

Gavin-D 12-03-2018 19:15
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TalkTalk's multiroom TV is now in live testing once available to the general public (possibly before the end of April) it is expected to cost £4 a month

Raider999 12-03-2018 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35940417)
TalkTalk's multiroom TV is now in live testing once available to the general public (possibly before the end of April) it is expected to cost £4 a month
Good for them - wouldn't touch talk talk with a barge pole after previous broadband and to experiences

OLD BOY 16-03-2018 19:23
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Bad news for horse racing fans. In future, you may have to pay to watch. Thanks, Sky.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse...-itvs-12198814

denphone 16-03-2018 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35940921)
Bad news for horse racing fans. In future, you may have to pay to watch. Thanks, Sky.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse...-itvs-12198814
If Sky make a bid there will only be one winner sadly..

Mad Max 16-03-2018 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35940921)
Bad news for horse racing fans. In future, you may have to pay to watch. Thanks, Sky.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse...-itvs-12198814
They are ruining TV sports for the ordinary man on the street, so to speak, lots of people cannot afford Sky and rely on companies like ITV etc to screen some sports events without the need for a subscription, soon we will no longer be able to view anything without forking out, an absolute disgrace imo!

denphone 16-03-2018 19:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35940925)
They are ruining TV sports for the ordinary man on the street, so to speak, lots of people cannot afford Sky and rely on companies like ITV etc to screen some sports events without the need for a subscription, soon we will no longer be able to view anything without forking out, an absolute disgrace imo!
They don't care two hoots about the ordinary man in the street and have not done for a long while.

vincerooney 16-03-2018 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35940925)
They are ruining TV sports for the ordinary man on the street, so to speak, lots of people cannot afford Sky and rely on companies like ITV etc to screen some sports events without the need for a subscription, soon we will no longer be able to view anything without forking out, an absolute disgrace imo!
it is a disgrace but what is an even bigger disgrace was OFCOM interfering and forcing premier league rights to be split and inviting the whole setanta, ESPN and BT sport gang into the sports right bidding world.

If sky had just kept everything we'd still be paying but probably 15 or 20 quid less a month! And they said it would be good for competition by splitting rights ...good for the millionaires not good for the rest of us!

Chad 16-03-2018 21:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35940925)
They are ruining TV sports for the ordinary man on the street, so to speak, lots of people cannot afford Sky and rely on companies like ITV etc to screen some sports events without the need for a subscription, soon we will no longer be able to view anything without forking out, an absolute disgrace imo!
Yeah so many sports cashing out with little or no regard to their dedicated audiences. Big bucks seem more important to those selling sports rights than viewing figures and future interest in the sport. As more sports fall behind expensive pay walls they will through time dwindle away and become niche interests. Would be refreshing to see a sport turn down the money from either SKY or BT but I can't see it happening.

Raider999 16-03-2018 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35940939)
it is a disgrace but what is an even bigger disgrace was OFCOM interfering and forcing premier league rights to be split and inviting the whole setanta, ESPN and BT sport gang into the sports right bidding world.

If sky had just kept everything we'd still be paying but probably 15 or 20 quid less a month! And they said it would be good for competition by splitting rights ...good for the millionaires not good for the rest of us!

Quite agree - being saying that for years, competition only works if each televised game is available for all to companies to show, the viewer can then pick the cheapest or the one they prefer.

If sport wasn't on pay to then the amounts sportsmen earn would be vastly reduced - some might say that would be a good thing, after all paying a footballer (who can only kick with one foot) hundreds of thousands a week is just obscene.

Additionally, the cost of attending sports fixtures is astronomical - some of the to money should be used to reduce them to a reasonable level (say £20 pp for premiership football) rather than lining players pockets.

Dave42 31-03-2018 18:03
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Natalie Sawyer axed by SSN

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8280521.html

denphone 31-03-2018 20:45
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35942234)
Quite surprising as l thought she did a pretty good job.

alwaysabear 31-03-2018 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35942246)
Quite surprising as l thought she did a pretty good job.
Perhaps Sky are feeling the pinch;):)

Arthurgray50@blu 31-03-2018 21:30
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I know that Twitter is going mad over this. I feel that Sky presenters are being gagged aver this as some are NOT happy at this.

Many feel that Kay Burley should be fired due to her aggressive attitude to some government minsters and other people that she interviewed.

I have actually emailed Sky over this.

The good thing that may come out of this, is that she will join BT Sport. I think they will jump at the chance to sign her up with all that Sports experience

Gavin-D 12-04-2018 16:03
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TalkTalk multiroom prices revealed

Multi-room TV Lite Box

Multi-room TV boost £4 (per month)
TalkTalk TV Box Charge £25
TalkTalk Engineer Set up Fee £25

Multi-room TV Plus Box

Multi-room TV boost £4 (per month)
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Raider999 12-04-2018 17:19
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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35943438)
TalkTalk multiroom prices revealed

Multi-room TV Lite Box

Multi-room TV boost £4 (per month)
TalkTalk TV Box Charge £25
TalkTalk Engineer Set up Fee £25

Multi-room TV Plus Box

Multi-room TV boost £4 (per month)
TalkTalk TV Box Charge £50
TalkTalk Engineer Set up Fee £0
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Chad 12-04-2018 21:12
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35940183)
This is nothing more than speculation however heard a suggestion BT will be launching a PPV channel on SKY and Youview real soon. The channel will be used for PPV boxing and some UFC events.... allegedly.
Couple of interesting developments today that may support the rumours of a BT Sport PPV channel. Earlier today there was reports that BT Showcase will close at the end of this football season. Then there was the press conference to announce Tyson Fury has signed with Frank Warren and his comeback fight will be in June. This got no coverage from BoxNation on social media whatsoever suggesting the fight won't feature on the channel. Warren confirmed the broadcaster will be confirmed next week.

Have a feeling this is building towards BT Sport Box Office replacing BT Showcase on Freeview / Youview with Tyson Fury featuring in their first PPV event.

denphone 13-04-2018 05:05
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35943466)
Couple of interesting developments today that may support the rumours of a BT Sport PPV channel. Earlier today there was reports that BT Showcase will close at the end of this football season. Then there was the press conference to announce Tyson Fury has signed with Frank Warren and his comeback fight will be in June. This got no coverage from BoxNation on social media whatsoever suggesting the fight won't feature on the channel. Warren confirmed the broadcaster will be confirmed next week.

Have a feeling this is building towards BT Sport Box Office replacing BT Showcase on Freeview / Youview with Tyson Fury featuring in their first PPV event.
Tyson Fury fights are not worth tuppence let alone £25.

Raider999 13-04-2018 12:04
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35943493)
Tyson Fury fights are not worth tuppence let alone £25.

No fight is worth £25

Reasons:-

1) all start late at night or after midnight
2) could be all over in a couple of minutes
3) boxing is barbaric - particularly in days of concussion awareness

OLD BOY 13-04-2018 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35943522)
No fight is worth £25

Reasons:-

1) all start late at night or after midnight
2) could be all over in a couple of minutes
3) boxing is barbaric - particularly in days of concussion awareness
It most certainly is barbaric, which is what makes it so popular.

denphone 13-04-2018 13:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943527)
It most certainly is barbaric, which is what makes it so popular.
There are many things that are barbaric if one looks OB.

1andrew1 14-04-2018 00:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35943466)
Couple of interesting developments today that may support the rumours of a BT Sport PPV channel. Earlier today there was reports that BT Showcase will close at the end of this football season. Then there was the press conference to announce Tyson Fury has signed with Frank Warren and his comeback fight will be in June. This got no coverage from BoxNation on social media whatsoever suggesting the fight won't feature on the channel. Warren confirmed the broadcaster will be confirmed next week.

Have a feeling this is building towards BT Sport Box Office replacing BT Showcase on Freeview / Youview with Tyson Fury featuring in their first PPV event.
You could be onto something. I do wonder about the future of Box Nation given that:
1) The majority owner who was propping the channel up, Bill Ives, died last year. His estate now controls the channel but whether it has the same enthusiasm to keep the channel going is an unknown.http://www.kellylouiseclark.co.uk/wp...s-Nov-2017.pdf
2) It is loss-making and its plans to set up sister companies in other countries have not come to fruition.
3) Its registered office is now the BT Sport Studio in the Olympic Park. http://www.boxnation.com/terms-and-conditions/

Richc1977 14-04-2018 15:18
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With 5 minutes of the game to go I noticed that Southampton v Chelsea was showing on Sky One today. It was not on Mix even though no other live sport was scheduled for the duration.

After a quick scan of the EPG I see Liverpool V Stoke listed on Sky One on Saturday 28th April, while Mix are showing Rugby Sevens

I wonder if this an indication in a change of tact regarding Mix
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Gavin-D 14-04-2018 15:33
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Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35943666)
With 5 minutes of the game to go I noticed that Southampton v Chelsea was showing on Sky One today. It was not on Mix even though no other live sport was scheduled for the duration.

After a quick scan of the EPG I see Liverpool V Stoke listed on Sky One on Saturday 28th April, while Mix are showing Rugby Sevens

I wonder if this an indication in a change of tact regarding Mix
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Soccer Saturday is also on Sky One

Richc1977 14-04-2018 17:10
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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35943668)
Soccer Saturday is also on Sky One
Yes and has been pretty much all season

Raider999 16-04-2018 11:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35943666)
With 5 minutes of the game to go I noticed that Southampton v Chelsea was showing on Sky One today. It was not on Mix even though no other live sport was scheduled for the duration.

After a quick scan of the EPG I see Liverpool V Stoke listed on Sky One on Saturday 28th April, while Mix are showing Rugby Sevens

I wonder if this an indication in a change of tact regarding Mix
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I wouldn't think so - you occasionally get games or a weekend's games put on sky1, presumably to tempt people to upgrade.

Gavin-D 16-04-2018 12:21
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I wonder when the final 2 Premier league TV packs will finally be sold

denphone 16-04-2018 12:24
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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35943797)
I wonder when the final 2 Premier league TV packs will finally be sold
In the summer is my hunch.

muppetman11 16-04-2018 12:35
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Or given away as nobody wants them.:)

denphone 16-04-2018 12:39
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35943800)
Or given away as nobody wants them.:)
l doubt it MM.:)

Raider999 16-04-2018 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35943797)
I wonder when the final 2 Premier league TV packs will finally be sold
Obviously, not attractive enough for the amount PL wanted. I understand there were bids for each of these two packages but the greedy PL wanted more.

I think in the future PL will set up their own channel (or streaming) and try to sell direct to the public.

Will this work for them - it remains to be seen.

OLD BOY 16-04-2018 18:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35943818)
Obviously, not attractive enough for the amount PL wanted. I understand there were bids for each of these two packages but the greedy PL wanted more.

I think in the future PL will set up their own channel (or streaming) and try to sell direct to the public.

Will this work for them - it remains to be seen.
That might be a bit risky for the PL, considering how much Sky and BT currently pay for the rights. I hope they have the expertise to make that work!

Raider999 16-04-2018 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943827)
That might be a bit risky for the PL, considering how much Sky and BT currently pay for the rights. I hope they have the expertise to make that work!
OB - isn't streaming the future🤔

If they really believe in their product it must be the way to go.

Of course they may not be that confident of attracting enough subscribers to replace the billions they get from Sky, BT et al

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 09:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35943851)
OB - isn't streaming the future🤔

If they really believe in their product it must be the way to go.

Of course they may not be that confident of attracting enough subscribers to replace the billions they get from Sky, BT et al
Streaming is most definitely the future, Raider, but that wasn't my point.

The issue is whether they can make at least the same amount of money as BT and Sky make for the PL and whether they have the expertise to pull it off. Your last paragraph summarises that point for me!

muppetman11 17-04-2018 12:07
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They would have to be making considerably more than they currently do from BT and Sky for it to be cost effective.

Chad 17-04-2018 12:50
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35943466)
Couple of interesting developments today that may support the rumours of a BT Sport PPV channel. Earlier today there was reports that BT Showcase will close at the end of this football season. Then there was the press conference to announce Tyson Fury has signed with Frank Warren and his comeback fight will be in June. This got no coverage from BoxNation on social media whatsoever suggesting the fight won't feature on the channel. Warren confirmed the broadcaster will be confirmed next week.

Have a feeling this is building towards BT Sport Box Office replacing BT Showcase on Freeview / Youview with Tyson Fury featuring in their first PPV event.
http://sport.bt.com/sport/bt-sport-b...11364260381802

Raider999 17-04-2018 13:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943908)
Streaming is most definitely the future, Raider, but that wasn't my point.

The issue is whether they can make at least the same amount of money as BT and Sky make for the PL and whether they have the expertise to pull it off. Your last paragraph summarises that point for me!
That's the problem with streaming IMO - getting enough revenue in to recover rights costs.

Streaming may be the future - probably not for sports anytime soon - too big a gamble.

I would love to know how many UK viewers have subscribed to watch NRL via streaming - at £22pm I suspect not to many, especially when 2 or 3 of the 8 games are shown live each week on sky (no extra cost if you already have sky sports)

Gavin-D 17-04-2018 16:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35943952)
No plans to launch on VM at the moment by the looks of it

"Later this year we plan to launch BT Sport Box Office, a pay-per-view channel which will be available on BT TV and the Sky platform."

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35943963)
That's the problem with streaming IMO - getting enough revenue in to recover rights costs.

Streaming may be the future - probably not for sports anytime soon - too big a gamble.

I would love to know how many UK viewers have subscribed to watch NRL via streaming - at £22pm I suspect not to many, especially when 2 or 3 of the 8 games are shown live each week on sky (no extra cost if you already have sky sports)
Why do you see streaming itself to be a gamble? If the Sky Sports channels and BT no longer showed Premiership football, wouldn't most subscribers simply move to the streaming service?

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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35943992)
No plans to launch on VM at the moment by the looks of it

"Later this year we plan to launch BT Sport Box Office, a pay-per-view channel which will be available on BT TV and the Sky platform."
That may just indicate that a deal hasn't been reached with Virgin yet.

Chad 17-04-2018 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943996)
Why do you see streaming itself to be a gamble? If the Sky Sports channels and BT no longer showed Premiership football, wouldn't most subscribers simply move to the streaming service?

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That may just indicate that a deal hasn't been reached with Virgin yet.
Early days yet. This article suggests it is going to launch on YouTube TV too

http://hithardnews.com/bt-announce-p...rt-box-office/

Raider999 17-04-2018 18:42
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[QUOTE=OLD BOY;35943996]Why do you see streaming itself to be a gamble? If the Sky Sports channels and BT no longer showed Premiership football, wouldn't most subscribers simply move to the streaming service?[COLOR="Silver"]

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But would they? How many people get Sky/BT sports for the premier league and how many watch it because they already have sports packages.

Even if 80% subscribe to streaming how much would each person have to pay to get as much money as PL do from Sky/BT then the streaming company would have to collect that money, advertise, pay for filming of each match.

I have a feeling streaming would be a disaster.

Don't forget Sky and BT have been paying a fortune per match to show the games - they treat it as a loss leader to keep people subscribing to the Sports Packages (don't forget you also have to pay for the basic channels most don't watch.

I know I wouldn't subscribe to BT Sports for the football, I only do for the Premiership Rugby and Cricket.

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 19:12
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[QUOTE=Raider999;35944021]
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943996)
Why do you see streaming itself to be a gamble? If the Sky Sports channels and BT no longer showed Premiership football, wouldn't most subscribers simply move to the streaming service?[COLOR="Silver"]

---------- Post added at 16:42 ---------- Previous post was at 16:41 ----------


But would they? How many people get Sky/BT sports for the premier league and how many watch it because they already have sports packages.

Even if 80% subscribe to streaming how much would each person have to pay to get as much money as PL do from Sky/BT then the streaming company would have to collect that money, advertise, pay for filming of each match.

I have a feeling streaming would be a disaster.

Don't forget Sky and BT have been paying a fortune per match to show the games - they treat it as a loss leader to keep people subscribing to the Sports Packages (don't forget you also have to pay for the basic channels most don't watch.

I know I wouldn't subscribe to BT Sports for the football, I only do for the Premiership Rugby and Cricket.
Fair points, Raider. There is, of course, the additional concern that many people still don't have the necessary broadband speeds, although there's nothing to stop them from creating linear channels until such time as our digital infrastructure is fit for purpose.

muppetman11 17-04-2018 19:30
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Old Boy do you live in cloud cuckoo land ?

Both Sky and BT paid the Premier League just shy of £4.5 billion for the new 3 year deal.

Breaking that down it's around £1.5 billion a year or £125 million a month.

At a £125 million a month a Premier League streaming subscription package priced at £20 a month would require more than 6 million people taking it and that's just to recoup what Sky and BT currently pay for the rights.

As Raider999 has also correctly said the Premier League would also then have massive costs such as pundits , dealing with subscriptions , distribution costs , bandwith , marketing the list goes on.

Gavin-D 18-04-2018 17:25
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BT and Vodaphone had the most complaints for mobile services in the UK in the final three months of 2017

BT had the highest proportion of pay-TV service complaints with 18 per 100,000 users

Talktalk received the most complaints for Broadband and landline with 31 per 100,000

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/...ls-195252.html

denphone 18-04-2018 17:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35944144)
BT and Vodaphone had the most complaints for mobile services in the UK in the final three months of 2017

BT had the highest proportion of pay-TV service complaints with 18 per 100,000 users

Talktalk received the most complaints for Broadband and landline with 31 per 100,000

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/...ls-195252.html
No surprise with that IMO.

OLD BOY 18-04-2018 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35944033)
Old Boy do you live in cloud cuckoo land ?

Both Sky and BT paid the Premier League just shy of £4.5 billion for the new 3 year deal.

Breaking that down it's around £1.5 billion a year or £125 million a month.

At a £125 million a month a Premier League streaming subscription package priced at £20 a month would require more than 6 million people taking it and that's just to recoup what Sky and BT currently pay for the rights.

As Raider999 has also correctly said the Premier League would also then have massive costs such as pundits , dealing with subscriptions , distribution costs , bandwith , marketing the list goes on.
I believe that Sky and BT have about that number of viewers for the PL channels now, but as you say, those subscribers do not necessarily want the footie.

However, as explained a while ago, there are plenty of marketing angles available that neither Sky nor BT have exploited yet, which would increase the amount of revenue it is possible to collect.

muppetman11 18-04-2018 20:02
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And how many more subscribers would they need on top of that figure to clear all the running costs I mentioned.

denphone 18-04-2018 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35944180)
And how many more subscribers would they need on top of that figure to clear all the running costs I mentioned.
You might be waiting a fair while for that answer MM.;)

OLD BOY 18-04-2018 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35944180)
And how many more subscribers would they need on top of that figure to clear all the running costs I mentioned.
I don't have that information, but as I said, there are other marketing opportunities (as I have outlined before) and there is quite a big untapped audience that could be exploited. Actually, lower prices would attract many more punters, so plenty of avenues exist for increasing customers, and thus revenue.

muppetman11 18-04-2018 21:47
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Cloud and cuckoo spring to mind OB.:D


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