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It’s impossible to have politicians from the “moderate” centre through to the right pander to far right rhetoric for the best part of two decades, not deliver on their promises to cut migration, and expect no consequences.

Decimating public services was a political choice. Just as blaming migrants was. From politicians down to the media. The BBC platforming Farage, Paul Dacre (nominated by Conservative cronies to be chair of OFCOM and knocked back, considered for a peerage) and plenty of others in the revolving door of political parties and the right wing press. These things are neither chance nor an accident.

They’ve relied on this propaganda to further their own careers, keeping people distracted and angry.

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You think?

They are a result of being ignored again and again and again.

It’s been there for years, under the surface. The BNP, UKIP, Brexit, Reform

These didn’t appear because very thing his just hunky dory.

It needed a spark and it got one, and of course violent factions have exploited that.

We can’t that’s the entire point.


Here’s another video you won’t see on the news.

https://x.com/tpointuk/status/1820490998872731660?s=61

Instead of trying to a calming, de-escalating and unifying voice and leader….Starmer has clearly picked a side.

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First few convictions in: https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/...erland-4730388

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

Good, anyone engaging in violence, or going equipped to engage in violence, should be prosecuted fully……….anyone and everyone.

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Smash a cop in the face at Manchester Airport get released on bail. Push a wheelie bin at a cop in Sunderland get remanded.

Two tier policing is now a self fulfilling prophecy.

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People are burning down libraries, and trying to burn down hotels with people still in them.

You respond to that with the police and force. It isn't the time for a heart-to-heart with the country.

I think you're also discounting the fact that people just like the thrill of the riot. It was the same in 2011 when people tried to claim it was austerity causing people to riot.

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The decisions here will be like 2011 where people got different sentences than they would otherwise to try and stamp out public disorder. People got sent to prison for looting then whereas if they had stolen the same item in a different context they would likely not even see the inside of a court room.

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Different sentences is going to be a great sell next time some of the underclass are victims of a burglary, mugging, assault or other crimes. The office gives out a crime reference number and a community cop takes a statement 8 days later.

Tommy is probably setting up an excel spreadsheet now to log them all to weaponise in future.

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On the contrary it’s exactly what you do…unless you’re willing to go hard on everyone. The crowds of muslims in Birmingham currently stopping and smashing up cars.

Not a policeman in sight.

They’ve made it clear they will police one demographic only, and all that will do fuel everything further.

You think those muslim gangs don’t like the thrill of beating up a few white dudes? Current evidence suggests they do.

What will happen….as in 2011…..and BLM….we’ll have a week of bad weather. No one is going to riot in the rain. That will take the wind out of it.

And nothing else will change until the next incident in a few months or years that kicks off the next one.

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You get different sentences all the time.

And it's not only the 'underclass' as you call them that get fobbed off with a crime number. I am pretty middle-class and when I got my laptop stolen and my house broken into the same thing happened to me.

The difference here is that these idiots are videotaping their crime sprees so they're easily caught and there is a clear public interest in hitting them hard so that others don't feel these riots are a free for all.

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Yes, you should go hard on everyone. You go for community building and healing when the immediate and current violence stops. What could he possibly say that would reach the kind of violent moron who wants to burn a hotel full of immigrants?

As for Birmingham, I've only seen people tweet stuff on Twitter and that incident with Sky. I would reserve judgment on that until we get to the part where the police start going through videos and identifying people. But those caught on camera committing violent acts should be hauled in front of a court whoever they are.

I think people who are beating others up are doing so because they want to do it. It's literal mob mentality.

There are angry and violent people out there. They just need any excuse to trigger them.

The other thing I would be interested to see is how many people are coked up on these riots. Reminds me of the the Euro 2020 final. So many people seem to want to get drunk, do some lines and then smash stuff up.

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I’m sure everyone gets fobbed off all the time. The difference is you’ve decided the inconsistency is a price worth paying to send them a message. And it might be.

Just don’t be surprised if that message gets lost in translation.

It’s not that hard a sell to say everyone should be equal under the law. Plenty of victims of crime will have been waiting months, even years, to have their day in court.

But nah, someone nicked some crocs out shoe zone in the middle of a riot, it’ll get prioritised and will probably get longer than other serious and violent offences simply because of what she looks like and where she was.

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If you want to talk tiers, that's two-tier sentencing not two-tier policing.

If the rioters and looters wanted a strong indication that the law would come down heavily on them, they only had to look at the sentences handed out to the Just Stop Oil protestors for non-violent disruption.

https://news.sky.com/story/a-dark-da...ailed-13189749

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I know. I've seen enough from my local area to understand walking down random streets smashing every car and window is not about a protest. Some of those houses belonged to white people.

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It’s a two tier justice system from the probability of arrest all the way through to sentencing that has to be seen to be consistent.

I wonder if the police and courts go into overdrive as quickly addressing the trouble in Birmingham tonight, where it appears the police have surrendered the streets. Television footage has people armed with swords and knives. One clearly identifiable I look forward to hearing he’s remanded by Friday.

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https://x.com/patrickchristys/status...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

https://x.com/archrose90/status/1820...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

https://x.com/jomickane/status/18205...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

Give me shout when any of the above is reported on Sky or the BBC, or a politician condemns it.

I think I’ll remain undisturbed this evening.

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

All of the violence is talked about on the news. Both sides are wrong. To be fair the people in some videos are clearly reacting to all the white racists going about burning things, looting shops and attacking people.

But it has become less about race or religion and it's now just thugs out looking for trouble.