Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

As in WWII, the allies would not accept a negotiated peace by either Japan or Germany. Only total surrender was acceptable.

Hamas could end it now if they release all the hostages, and all the militants throw down their weapons and surrender.

The blood of the Palestinians is squarely on Hamas's hands.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Is there a source for that kind offer or will Israel still commit war crimes through collective punishment on the Palestinian people anyway?

Knowing their own surrender will be certain death and that reprisals are inevitable, they could quite rationally just execute all the hostages since it'll be of almost no consequence to the future trajectory of the conflict. That blood could no more squarely be on Israeli hands than Palestinian blood on Hamas hands as you portray.

The only benefit to.keeping them alive would be as human shields or a prisoner swap.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

No, it's just a comment from me, If they did that I would expect Israel to ceasefire, as Israel is not a blood thirsty country that likes to kill innocents for fun.

You don't know that as much as don't know that. But at least you have acknowledged that Hamas value their own lives over the lives of the innocents they use as a shield.

The blood is already on Hamas's hands when they started this attack. Israeli retribution was inevitable, and probably the outcome they wanted anyway.

With Saudi Arabia, potentially, mulling over the Abraham Accords, if they had of signed up that would've been a major blow. There's no way they'll go anywhere near it now. Job done for Hamas, only cost a few thousand lives. Blood well spent.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

In all conflicts people value their own lives over those of their enemy - that's equally true of nation states as it is for non-state actors. As missiles rain down on Gaza killing scores of civilians it's preposterous to suggest this is an area where Israel hold the moral high ground.

Fundamentally Pierre you are stuck unable to view the conflict through any other prism than where Israel are on the right side and the Palestinians the wrong side. Your view is that only state actors have a legitimate pursuit of armed conflict - and indeed that they can ignore their obligations under international law when doing so. No amount of circuitous arguing (or Israeli war crimes) will convince you otherwise.

"They started it" might be a defence in a school playground but it absolutely does not remove Israel of it's obligations as an occupying force in Gaza.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

No doubt you also thought that Churchill and Truman should have been charged with war crimes.

In History..no, in regards to this incident....yes.

If attacked they have the right to defend themselves and then eliminate the threat.

If Israel commit war crimes over this incident I look forward to seeing them charged and appearing in the Hague.

Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2005, if they go in again we'll see what happens.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Why would Israel be any more likely to be charged with war crimes in the future than they have been in the past?

You are no fool, Pierre, you know as well as I do that it's a false measure. Israelis are no more likely to end up in the Hague than Putin, or British soldiers or American soldiers who have executed civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Told to leave their homes and then the camp is bombed...


Has anyone here defended them, criticism of one doesn't equate to support of another

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

In another bout of “bad luck” the Israelis told Palestinians the border crossing to Egypt was open. It’s now been closed due to heavy bombing in the area.

A thought experiment might be if you wanted to systematically slaughter the Palestinian people, but do it just on the right side of plausible deniability, how would it differ from what we are witnessing now.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Yes, because Uncle Joe Stalin was an absolute saint.

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It is quite remarkable that someone is content to sanction the killing of innocent children.

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How about "Religion is the root of a lot of evil"?

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

I think greed is the root of most evil, more than religion anyways, religious zeal makes it easier for men to commit the most heinous atrocities but then so does hate or patriotism or a plethora of other motives

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

How exactly do you derive that conclusion from that sentence.

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Hamas seem very happy to sanction it. Beheading babies and small children those heroic freedom fighters.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-b1112582.html

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Like 99% . :erm:

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I am not sure why you are calling Hamas "heroic freedom fighters", they are disgusting, absolute vermin.