Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36103999)

You are missing the parts where:

- the infected (unvaccinated) individuals can mix with others, significantly the vulnerable ones, and pass on an infection that could cause serious illness or death.
- the unvaccinated use up the small amount of spare capacity in the healthcare system causing knock on issues relating to NHS staff stress & burnout plus collateral bed-blocking damage

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36104004)

People have actively decided to generate a two tier society by refusing vaccination.

I kind of get your point that it isn't my problem if people choose not to get vaccinated. However, that would only really stand if the unvaccinated who got sick were not a drain on the healthcare system.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36104008)

Nope I’m not because…Guess what?

So can the vaccinated!

Vaccination does not stop transmission.

Once vulnerable are vaccinated, they’re no longer vulnerable.

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So should fat people, people who smoke and generally couch potatoes also have their freedoms curtailed because they’re also a drain on the system?

Coercing is wrong, you liberals should know bloody better. Because taking away freedoms, is illiberal and a shameful and fascist disgrace!

Go move to North Korea, you’d love it there.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36104008)

Nope I’m not because…Guess what?

So can the vaccinated!

Vaccination does not stop transmission.

Once vulnerable are vaccinated, they’re no longer vulnerable

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36104013)

Not true. The immunocompromised can have less protection from being vaccinated. They are still vulnerable.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36104013)

Not true. The immunocompromised can have less protection from being vaccinated. They are still vulnerable.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104014)

This !!! As has been stated multiple by the scientists

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36104015)

We were not narrowing the spectrum of vulnerabilities to folk with just Immunodeficiency.

They could catch flu tomorrow off someone and die, do we start the blame game because someone had the flu?

Or tomorrow they could be run over by a bus, do we then stop all buses being used?

Cannot put life on hold or curtail freedoms because people have the right to choose not to have a medical procedure, it's illiberal and immoral.

Love North Korea much?

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It is irrelevant to this discussion on the merit that a vaccinated person, you or I, could catch Covid within days and still pass it on and on to the vulnerable.

Just because you are vaccinated and someone else isn't, why should YOU have your freedoms maintained when you were the one who passed on and carried on the transmission of Covid-19?

Vaccination does not stop transmission and there is no getting around this fact, whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104021)

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104021)

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104023)

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104023)

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104021)

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36104024)

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As is getting vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36104027)

I believe the science not Doctor Bob or someone just looking for an excuse not to take precautions and/or the vaccine

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36104028)

Precisely, so a vaccinated person can still spread this on and on and on but the unvaccinated have their freedoms revoked to coerce them, bully them in to submission, we even had a LBC Radio presenter, Nick Ferrari suggest people start getting fined every month until they do, wrong wrong wrong, I am appalled he even came up with it and normally he is quite a well seasoned broadcaster.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36104023)

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36104028)

Precisely, so a vaccinated person can still spread this on and on and on but the unvaccinated have their freedoms revoked to coerce them, bully them in to submission, we even had a LBC Radio presenter, Nick Ferrari suggest people start getting fined every month until they do, wrong wrong wrong, I am appalled he even came up with it and normally he is quite a well seasoned broadcaster.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36104033)

Of course, but you need to think about why.

It will reduce the chances of transmission because you body reacts to you getting the virus, and kills it off before you have chance to "transmit" it.

It does not change how transmissible a virus actually is, that would require a mutation.