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Mick 18-09-2019 15:11
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010514)
I don't really think it's "shameful" that I tolerate "disgusting" behaviour to be honest.
I beg to differ.

Anyone who defends their actions in belittling our leader, mocks our country even if you cannot stand him, is a disgrace.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36010512)
Think I've asked this before Mick, but I'll try again. How do your see your day to day life improving when we leave the EU? What brilliant thing do you foresee happening? Who will you blame if it isn't better or even worse? Who will be the corrupt cancerous moron Muppets then? Look before you leap..... The future looks rosy for a select few who are pulling the strings in this country atm, the rest of us are stuffed.
That's a view I do not share, so your question is irrelevant.

jfman 18-09-2019 15:13
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36010517)
I beg to differ.

Anyone who defends their actions in belittling our leader, mocks our country even if you cannot stand him, is a disgrace.
I think anyone who belittles Johnson is carrying out a reasonable action. He's a proven liar. He doesn't even agree with leaving, it's political expediency for him to do so to ascent to the leadership of the Party. In many ways I've more respect for the Eurosceptics who have always held a principled stance.

Mick 18-09-2019 15:27
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010520)
I think anyone who belittles Johnson is carrying out a reasonable action. He's a proven liar. He doesn't even agree with leaving, it's political expediency for him to do so to ascent to the leadership of the Party. In many ways I've more respect for the Eurosceptics who have always held a principled stance.
And mocking our country as well, is perfectly fine as well to you, like Goofy twerp did this morning, mocking our Parliament, referring to it as the Soviet Union, that's tolerable to you because you cannot think past your convictions that we cannot survive outside this disgusting and corrupt EU.

Hugh 18-09-2019 15:29
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36010517)
I beg to differ.

Anyone who defends their actions in belittling our leader, mocks our country even if you cannot stand him, is a disgrace.

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That's a view I do not share, so your question is irrelevant.
He didn't belittle BJ, he said that instead of using the Hulk as an inspiration, he should use Mrs Doubtfire, because that character was caring...
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He referred to Boris Johnson's comparison to the Hulk while talking about EU citizens' rights.

He said that the prime minister needed to rethink settled status in the UK for EU citizens, and said that there should be automatic registration.

He quipped: "Boris Johnson likes a lot to compare himself with movie characters. Well, concerning citizens' rights, instead of playing the angry Hulk I think he should inspire himself by another character - the caring nanny from the film Mrs Doubtfire."
Also, re the alleged Soviet Union comparison, he was reflecting the Brexit Party's MEPs comments about the EU being like the Soviet Union - he actually said
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He said Eurosceptics like "to say the European Union is undemocratic", but he continued: "I can tell you that Jean-Claude Juncker or Tusk can do a lot of things but at least they can't close the doors of this house - that is not possible!"

Referring to the Brexit Party, he said: "If the Eurosceptics in the coming minutes want to use again the ridiculous comparison with the Soviet Union they can point the finger at Westminster rather than Strasbourg or Brussels."
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ment-1-6275792

jfman 18-09-2019 15:34
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36010523)
And mocking our country as well, is perfectly fine as well to you, like Goofy twerp did this morning, mocking our Parliament, referring to it as the Soviet Union, that's tolerable to you because you cannot think past your convictions that we cannot survive outside this disgusting and corrupt EU.
I think our Parliament being suspended is very Soviet. An apt comparison.

papa smurf 18-09-2019 15:56
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I think our Parliament being suspended is very Soviet. An apt comparison.
Didn't realise the USSR had a queens speech and a conference season.

jfman 18-09-2019 16:09
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Didn't realise the USSR had a queens speech and a conference season.
Convenient excuses. No other country on earth would let their politicians go for a jolly by the seaside during a major constitutional crisis.

If the default was we would remain instead of leave I'm sure you'd be suitably outraged.

Mick 18-09-2019 16:38
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010531)
Convenient excuses. No other country on earth would let their politicians go for a jolly by the seaside during a major constitutional crisis.

If the default was we would remain instead of leave I'm sure you'd be suitably outraged.
Convenient excuses nothing - I wouldn't call the Illiberal Undemocrats conference in Bournmouth and their activists seen shouting and chanting, "Tony Blair, F Off and die." having a jolly.

The crisis is because of MPs keep extending Brexit when we could have left by now.

Carth 18-09-2019 16:52
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010531)
No other country on earth would let their politicians go for a jolly by the seaside during a major constitutional crisis.
A major constitutional crisis brought about by?

Three years, three long and wasted years, yet 'some' are arguing that a few days will make a massive difference.

Truthful answer (if you know one) . . what would have happened in Parliament in 4 days that would have been any different to the previous 3 years?

Mick 18-09-2019 16:52
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36010524)
He didn't belittle BJ, he said that instead of using the Hulk as an inspiration, he should use Mrs Doubtfire, because that character was caring...

Also, re the alleged Soviet Union comparison, he was reflecting the Brexit Party's MEPs comments about the EU being like the Soviet Union - he actually said

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ment-1-6275792
I have no interest in what he said. Desperate attempts, trying to paint that man in good light - the man is a cretin of the highest order.

The EU is worse than the Soviet Union ever was. Appointing a President of the Commission that wasn't even on the ballot paper, ignoring new suggested conventions that would have seen the EU to be the very thing it is criticised for not being, more democratic.

Mr K 18-09-2019 17:35
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36010535)
I have no interest in what he said. Desperate attempts, trying to paint that man in good light - the man is a cretin of the highest order.

The EU is worse than the Soviet Union ever was. Appointing a President of the Commission that wasn't even on the ballot paper, ignoring new suggested conventions that would have seen the EU to be the very thing it is criticised for not being, more democratic.
I really must have missed something in my history lessons . Can't remember the EU making nearly 2 million people die/disappear in gulags...

jfman 18-09-2019 17:43
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36010534)
A major constitutional crisis brought about by?

Three years, three long and wasted years, yet 'some' are arguing that a few days will make a massive difference.

Truthful answer (if you know one) . . what would have happened in Parliament in 4 days that would have been any different to the previous 3 years?
Also Mick’s point, not quoted.

The constitutional crisis has been brought about by MPs and Government not agreeing. MPs could/should have shown backbone and acted decisively by GE/2nd referendum if they really wanted to stop Brexit. I do agree they’ve wasted time.

The 4 days is a red herring - the Queens Speech isn’t necessary now. I know many will disagree but it’s clearly a device to constrain Parliament. Again this, along with many things over the last three years we won’t agree on, so I’m happy to leave that to the side rather than go in circles.

pip08456 18-09-2019 17:53
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010543)
Also Mick’s point, not quoted.

The constitutional crisis has been brought about by MPs and Government not agreeing. MPs could/should have shown backbone and acted decisively by GE/2nd referendum if they really wanted to stop Brexit. I do agree they’ve wasted time.

The 4 days is a red herring - the Queens Speech isn’t necessary now. I know many will disagree but it’s clearly a device to constrain Parliament. Again this, along with many things over the last three years we won’t agree on, so I’m happy to leave that to the side rather than go in circles.
The Queen's speach is necessary to start a new session of parliament.

jfman 18-09-2019 17:57
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010544)
The Queen's speach is necessary to start a new session of parliament.
I know its function. Haven’t needed one for two years, don’t need one before October 31st.

Here is a list with some of the legislation lost through the timing of this

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/

Mick 18-09-2019 18:03
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010547)
I know it’s function. Haven’t needed one for two years, don’t need one before October 31st.

Here is a list with some of the legislation lost through the timing of this

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/
Which can be resubmitted at any time - not an issue.


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