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Why didn't Obama introduce restrictions? In this case and the Vegas incident, guns were bought legally BEFORE Trump came to office. Also in this instance guns were obtained ILLEGALLY. Laws won't stop that.

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Aww come on nomadking, you know it's hypocrisy and a little bit of Trump Derangement Syndrome doing the rounds again. ;)

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Obama did sign an executive order to ensure those with mental illnesses were shown in background checks: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...e-and-make-our

Here is the NRA praising Trump for repealing that law: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...ohibition-rule

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I pointed out previously that the rule that was put in place for mental health checks did not go far enough, there was two criteria which meant background checks were implemented specifically related to Social security benefits for Mental Health disabilities, it would not have stopped the Florida Shooter, had he not been receiving them or entitled to them.

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Cruz PASSED the mental health checks by the FBI.
February 2017 and Trump was barely in office. How do guns laws deal with that?

Chicago

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There has been over 100 attempts to bring gun legislation to Congress since 2011.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-man...ed-since-2011/

One example

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In the last 24 hours, Trump has announced that he has signed a Memorandum instructing the Department of Justice to see if Bump Stocks can be outlawed, that is a start, as that stop Semi-Automatic Machine guns becoming fully automatic.

He is suppose to have announced today, age restrictions, that's another step in the right direction, a person cannot buy alcohol under the age of 21, but they can buy a gun. Plain wrong.

I said the other day, it's gone beyond the point to totally outlaw guns completely, because no gun amnesty will fully remove every gun from the streets of every State and that's nearly 1/3 of a billion guns and I don't think half of America will willingly part with them without causing a civil war.

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I agree it didn't go far enough. I don't think Obama did enough. Still it was at least something and yet Trump stuck it down.

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So what has Trump's solution been ? Repeal the checks that were in place? What's he replaced them with ?

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So what?

Crimes still happen despite laws designed to stop them. This is an argument for better laws whilst at the same time understanding you can't stop every crime. You strike a balance where you can.

No thinks you can stop every shooting but we can try and stop them being such a regular occurrence.

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Good. It's a start.

I still think they need to treat guns like they treat cars. You need a licence and each gun must be registered. The licence is revoked if you're irresponsible with it, commit a felony or the police have reason to suspect you're violent.

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But at Sandy Hook, the guns belonged to his mother. No checks would have stopped that.

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Guns don't kill people... Rappers do.

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Hmm, I thought I had said earlier on, it is down to congress to legislate new laws and introduce such frank and proper background checks and changes, not the President.

We cannot just keep calling out Trump on this, Congress has to act to implement proper procedures and background checks, not silly flimsy rules that do not have full and frank en-catchment.

They can act without the President.

Remember..... Three Branches of Government Mr K!

Executive: That's the President and his Administration, he signs law in to force and enforces it.

Legislation: That's Congress, they are the ones who write law, say yay or nay, if they pass it, then it send it to the President to sign it in to law if he agrees to it, he has Veto power but it just gets passed back to the House and Senate, who then have a vote to pass it in to law, 2/3 vote required to pass in both chambers.

Judicial: Supreme and lower Courts. Ensures and interprets the Constitution and has the power to limit the above two Branches of government.

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It seems Trump has just suggested teachers should have weapons: https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/st...36226118176768

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Some people are highlighting videos of students involved, telling the media that they didn't know what was happening because they had been told by officials that there would be a drill taking place that day. There is more than one such video. What this means is anyone's guess, but it emits a disntinctly fishy odour. Either those videos were faked in order to spread disinformation, or they're real and the students were really told that. As usual, we'll never know what actually occurred.