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Have your Paris friends been found safe and well? I've been worrying about this since you posted the above and never mentioned it again.

I have an idea if you still cannot get in touch with them ;-)

re: Paris shootings in November 2015
 

Yes thank you she got in touch with me mid-morning on Saturday after my texts, Facebook messages and calls were going unanswered, they're all ok.

re: Paris shootings in November 2015
 

I'm astounded, the only thing I can think he meant was the Kratos guidelines for dealing with potential suicide bombers which is aim for head, pull trigger, repeat till you hear a click, pray no explosive vest goes off.

Even then I've yet to hear a credible alternative for dealing with suicide bombers.

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Can the thread title be changed, everytime I log in I keep thinking another horror has happened

re: Paris shootings in November 2015
 

In wonder what Corbyn will expect those charged with protecting him to do if he's unlucky enough to be faced down by a lunatic gunman. Maybe they'll hesitate to consider his views and whilst doing so he'll wind up shot. Would that be poetic justice?

Frankly I can't recall the UK ever having such a fool as leader of a major party. As a fairly ordinary fringe MP he was one thing but the prospect of him as a potential PM is beyond belief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34840708

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Just as well there are enough AFOs to go round. Or maybe not.

Regardless of your feelings on the Police carrying firearms its courting disaster to work them into the ground and hope nothing goes wrong when they are tired and still expected to make split second life and death decisions.

Re: Paris shootings in November 2015
 

Sadly I think many more armed police are going to be required whether we/they like it or not. The training and resources need to be made available now rather than after a Paris style calamity during which those we rely upon to keep us safe are outgunned.

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The whole 'shoot to kill' thing isn't something you can gives a yes or no answer to in my opinion. Are the current guidelines sufficient? These allow shoot to kill when there is a direct threat to life and there are of course the 'Kratos officers' which are the guys trained in true shoot to kill for suicide bombers. There are 12 of them for London apparently.

The problem is that the only time those Kratos officers did what they trained to do, they killed an innocent person which would surely make any person nervous.

If possible, I would always want the perpetrators of these crimes held to account in a court of law rather than killed - they should only be shot if necessary. We have got to show that we are better than those who want to destroy our way of life.

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In the normal course of events you're right but the problem is people like this have proved they're not going to be taken alive and will do their utmost to carry on the killing until they're dead - women, children, young, old it makes no difference to them. In such circumstances, regretfully, the least worst option is helping them on their way as soon as possible. In assessing our response and what results from it, we should remember that every single person they decide to murder is an innocent victim and on the scale of justice, killing multiple murderers is always going to be by far the lesser of the two evils we face.

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He really is not all right in the head! :dozey:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34830703

Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone by fencing off Belgium from the rest of Europe...

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For a very long time he's existed quite comfortably, talking garbage without much publicity and even less by way of actual consequences. You'd have thought by now, however, he'd realise that as leader of the Labour Party, he needs to be clear and careful about what he says but he carries on regardless uttering simplistic drivel like an out of touch old fool.

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Even Kratos only works in the case of someone having a button to push, utterly useless if remote-det or dead mans trigger.

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Dead mans switch yes, then you're in a lose/lose situation. Remote detonation can be circumvented in some situations.

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In Paris far more people were killed by bullets than explosions I believe so if we can take out the shooters quickly that's at least something. One thing's for sure - we can't hope to avoid loss of innocent life when an attack happens, we can merely hope to limit it.