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Ignitionnet 01-11-2014 09:38
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Alongside the previous administration bein naive enough to think the EU would deliver on CAP reform in return for the UK giving up more rebate and vetoes.

Cameron is a fan of the EU; his antics are purely political. He loves the cheap and virtually unlimited supply of labour as much as his friends and backers do.

Osem 01-11-2014 09:58
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The EU has proved time and time again that meaningful reform of the sort we'd like to see is beyond it and that's probably because unlike many nations who've signed up since the UK joined, we were sold the concept of a trading club whereas they knew what they were getting into and saw membership as a panacea for many financial and other woes. It should be no great surprise to anyone that net beneficiaries of EU policy will tend to continue voting for more of the same...

Cameron certain does want us to remain in the EU but the irony is that his party is the only means by which we're going to have any say in the matter.

Ignitionnet 06-11-2014 08:07
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Some more good news, this from an article I posted in a Eurozone thread but more related to this thread than that one.

Article.

Quote:
Tucked away in the report is a nugget that Britain alone accounted for almost all the EU's growth in 2013, half in 2014, and will still be the biggest contributor by far in 2015. This implies that the UK's net payments to the EU budget - already up fourfold since 2008 - will become ever more skewed. Or put another way, the more EMU makes a mess of its affairs, the more Britain must pay to prop it up.
Bend over and lube up, people. Any additional austerity from this year is spoken for.

Osem 06-11-2014 08:24
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In any other set of circumstances than matters EU, those facts ought to give us considerable leverage to get what we want- "he who pays the piper" and all that... However, I reckon that remaining in this sinking ship with it's crew deeply divided and the whiff of mutiny in the air, it'll bring us down with far more certainty than if we get out and stop throwing good money after bad. As it stands we'll still be buying more from the EU than selling to it and paying everyone far more for the 'privilege'. What form of madness is this??!! :spin:

Taf 06-11-2014 09:47
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Mr Cameron has said the UK will not pay the EU surcharge by 1 December.

Treasury sources said Chancellor George Osborne would continue to demand a cut in the size of the bill.

In a meeting with EU finance ministers, Mr Osborne will also press for any payment to be delayed or phased in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29928195

We all knew they would wimp out.....

Sirius 06-11-2014 09:53
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35739360)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29928195

We all knew they would wimp out.....
And people want us to trust that he will give us a referendum

heero_yuy 06-11-2014 10:08
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35739360)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29928195

We all knew they would wimp out.....
I think he always had that caveat not by the beginning of December It's just the media didn't pick up on it. A classic bit of political double speak. It's why you must always analyse the weasel words.

Osem 06-11-2014 10:16
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35739363)
And people want us to trust that he will give us a referendum
He will go down in the annals of history as an even bigger liar than Bliar if he doesn't and I really don't think he'd want to deprive Teflon Tone of that dubious honour. ;)

Like it or not, the only realistic way to have any chance of getting an EU referendum any time soon is for people to vote UKIP where they have a realistic chance of winning and displacing a Same Old Labour or Fib Dem MP in the process and vote Tory everywhere else.

There's no way in the world that UKIP can win enough seats to achieve anything unless the Labour vote is destroyed and they negotiate some sort of pre/post election deal with the Tories. I think the latter scenario is very likely indeed.

One thing is for certain is that a red or yellow vote means a sell out to the EU.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35739368)
I think he always had that caveat not by the beginning of December It's just the media didn't pick up on it. A classic bit of political double speak. It's why you must always analyse the weasel words.
He definitely did but to try to be fair there's more to it than that. We had years of Labour brazenly promising this, that, and the other with no hint of any caveats and look what happened. Whatever he said he'd have been immediately damned. Time will tell to what extent he's damned for good and plumbs Bliar's depths...

heero_yuy 06-11-2014 10:16
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BUNGLING European bureaucrats are spending billions of pounds of taxpayers' cash just for the sake of it, a damning report has found.

The European Court of Auditors said EU bean-counters were "too focused on just getting funds spent" instead of making sure it was actually doing any good.

They also revealed that up to £7billion of the EU's £117billion-a-year budget is lost to error.

The findings are a boost to Chancellor George Osborne as he prepares for a Brussels showdown over the £1.7billion bill slapped on Britain by the EU two weeks ago.
Redtop paywall linky

Nice to know how careful they are with our money. :rolleyes:

Osem 06-11-2014 10:17
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35739372)
Redtop paywall linky

Nice to know how careful they are with our money. :rolleyes:
The lunatics and Euro-snouts have been running the EU from its inception. I wonder how much of the amount lost to 'error' winds up in the pockets of various Euro-cronies.

nomadking 06-11-2014 11:42
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The EU needs to set its budgets and "charges" to EU countries on a similar basis to Council Tax. Councils set a budget for spending and then set the council tax rates in order to raise that money. The EU raises money that depends a lot on how well countries are doing economically and then decides how to spend it. If the UK wasn't doing so relatively well, economically, what would the EU do? This £1.7billion isn't needed by the EU. It is just a bonus for them to fritter away.

Sirius 06-11-2014 16:32
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35739370)
He will go down in the annals of history as an even bigger liar than Bliar if he doesn't and I really don't think he'd want to deprive Teflon Tone of that dubious honour. ;)

Like it or not, the only realistic way to have any chance of getting an EU referendum any time soon is for people to vote UKIP where they have a realistic chance of winning and displacing a Same Old Labour or Fib Dem MP in the process and vote Tory everywhere else.

There's no way in the world that UKIP can win enough seats to achieve anything unless the Labour vote is destroyed and they negotiate some sort of pre/post election deal with the Tories. I think the latter scenario is very likely indeed.

One thing is for certain is that a red or yellow vote means a sell out to the EU.

---------- Post added at 11:16 ---------- Previous post was at 11:09 ----------



He definitely did but to try to be fair there's more to it than that. We had years of Labour brazenly promising this, that, and the other with no hint of any caveats and look what happened. Whatever he said he'd have been immediately damned. Time will tell to what extent he's damned for good and plumbs Bliar's depths...
This has made me so determined not to vote for the lying git. UKIP will do well here and i hope kick the Liebour idiot out.

Osem 06-11-2014 17:01
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35739437)
This has made me so determined not to vote for the lying git. UKIP will do well here and i hope kick the Liebour idiot out.
You do realise that IF he does deliver what you fear he won't you'll have to eat some humble pie. ;)

That aside, if we're going to get shot of the EU straightjacket we need to vote strategically to ensure we don't get a monstrous reincarnation of the Lib-Lab pact by the back door. Hate Cameron or not, that would be a disaster far worse than any Tory victory.

http://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/t...ady-been-sown/

Sirius 06-11-2014 17:05
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35739444)
You do realise that IF he does deliver what you fear he won't you'll have to eat some humble pie. ;)

That aside, if we're going to get shot of the EU straightjacket we need to vote strategically to ensure we don't get a monstrous reincarnation of the Lib-Lab pact by the back door. That would be a disaster.
Come on the man is nearly as bad as Blier. He will not give us a referendum because he will find something that will allow him to get out of it just like he did last time. Even IF and its a sodding big IF we get the referendum he will make sure he gets the answer that keeps us in.

Osem 06-11-2014 17:13
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35739446)
Come on the man is nearly as bad as Blier. He will not give us a referendum because he will find something that will allow him to get out of it just like he did last time. Even IF and its a sodding big IF we get the referendum he will make sure he gets the answer that keeps us in.
If we get a referendum WE need to make sure we get the right result. If we don't get one, a cynical deception on that scale would see the Tories in opposition for years. Any attempt would be suicidal and would, I think, see Cameron forced to resign and a referendum to go ahead.


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