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Hugh 02-03-2014 09:29
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35676817)
I just hope that the warmongers in this country have learnt from the Syria debacle. If it's a Russian backed regime keep clear.
'Warmongers' :confused:

How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".

Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling.....

Osem 02-03-2014 09:57
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35676997)
Who predicted that?

We went into Afghanistan with the sole intention of removing the Taliban from power. There were always going to be shots fired, I don't recall anyone proposing any different.
John Reid IIRC. Whatever version of those words he uttered, given what had happened in Iraq, IMHO there was an effort to understate the likely ramifications of any involvement in Afghanistan in order to 'sell' the intervention to parliament and the country. That being my point.

Sirius 02-03-2014 10:04
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35677004)
'Warmongers' :confused:

How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".

Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling.....
:clap:

Maggy 02-03-2014 10:12
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35677004)
'Warmongers' :confused:

How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".

Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling.....
Did you say rational debate? Not a snowball's chance in hell of rational debate on CF..;)
Personally I'd settle for a civilised discussion.:tu:

RizzyKing 02-03-2014 10:13
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
We went into Afghanistan before Iraq :confused:.

Osem 02-03-2014 10:45
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35677004)
'Warmongers' :confused:

How would you feel if others on the forum called people who want to do nothing "appeasers" or "cowards".

Not really taking forward a rational debate on a complex subject by name-calling.....
I think someone did... ;)

Hugh 02-03-2014 11:01
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
Equally inappropriate, IMHO.

Damien 02-03-2014 12:08
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35677027)
I think someone did... ;)
I didn't call anyone appeasers. I said telling Ukraine that the EU will pull out of the trade deal and won't help them to avoid upsetting Russia, and effectively ceding them to Russia, would be appeasement. Which it is. Making concessions which are against the will of the country itself in order to avoid conflict is almost the textbook definition of the term.

Sirius 02-03-2014 12:15
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35677052)
I didn't call anyone appeasers. I said telling Ukraine that the EU will pull out of the trade deal and won't help them to avoid upsetting Russia, and effectively ceding them to Russia, would be appeasement. Which it is. Making concessions which are against the will of the country itself in order to avoid conflict is almost the textbook definition of the term.
I think the next 48hrs will make or break this, all it will take is a trigger happy soldier and off it will go. :(

Damien 02-03-2014 12:39
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35677053)
I think the next 48hrs will make or break this, all it will take is a trigger happy soldier and off it will go. :(
Probably. You suspect that's what they're hoping for. Ukraine should be careful to make sure it's not them. If Russia want a war then they have to be ones to start it (although invading probably counts as starting it).

Uncle Peter 02-03-2014 13:01
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Full military mobilisation of Ukrainian army and airspace closed to non-civilian air traffic... And NATO emergency meeting this afternoon. Maybe the Turks will deny passage to any warships up the Bosphorous Strait.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26405635

Sirius 02-03-2014 13:03
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35677068)
Probably. You suspect that's what they're hoping for. Ukraine should be careful to make sure it's not them. If Russia want a war then they have to be ones to start it (although invading probably counts as starting it).
I was thinking this morning that this could be another Cuban missile crisis and this time the Russians will not back down.

Damien 02-03-2014 15:01
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
They've surrounded a Ukrainian infantry base and are refusing entry or exit...

greeninferno 02-03-2014 15:25
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35677024)
We went into Afghanistan before Iraq :confused:.
Tora Bora took place in 2001 and bombing started before that , right after 911 i'm pretty sure.

Assuming you mean "Gulf War 2" as opposed to Bush senior's efforts.

denphone 02-03-2014 17:27
Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!
 
New head of Ukraine's navy 'defects' in Crimea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26410431


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