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Boxing's been a bad joke for years sadly

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It's not a joke as such it's just in a dire state and that needs a massive re-understanding of boxing as a sport in the UK.

One of the bigger aspects of it being a farce is the way British boxing trainers literally get it all wrong now. Hatton was thrown to the Piranhas, Khan was mis managed early on, Fury is being allowed to completely spiral out of control. Anthony Joshua is being allowed to talk it up with David Haye? Is he insane, it'll never happen and by god it never should, the thought of seeing the next British heavyweight boxing prospect on his back because his mouth got the better of him is disturbing.

I've seen far too much of what I can only describe as hopelessness around British boxing.

By that I mean people that are allowed by their managers and trainers to rack up 30 fight winning streaks then talk themselves into Vegas showdowns with only one outcome (Hatton) whom was horribly exposed as a boxer by Mayweather then viciously savaged by Manny who were both on a completely different level.. I'm saying this wouldn't be happening if you put a stop to the above.

Fury is in the process of doing exactly this. Kell Brook is doing this. It'll all end in tragedy again. It's a shame because the ultimate loser is us as fans.

I'm glad Haye's back, I still maintain with the right plan he'll floor Klitschko, big ask now though, been out of the game too long.
I've watched that fight over and over, people are too quick to follow the media judging of it. Haye was out boxed overall but there's some pretty dire stuff going on from Wlad in that fight, the constant leaning. Haye got to him, I don't think anyone actually realised this, Haye landed 3 clean power punches in that fight and Klitschko felt every single one of them and grabbed hold as quick as he could. He's the first person I've seen in many years to back Wlad up the way he did.

Just to echo the middle of this wall of text, another thrown to the dogs was George Groves, I've never seen talent mismanaged so poorly.

It's not just us though, Nevada boxing officials have been absolutely disgraceful over the years, I don't even need to go into it. 114-114 for a Mayweather fight, enough said.

Who Haye faces?

If it's Joshua I'm done with British boxing bar Khan. It'll only prove they give a crap about the money and nothing more, feeding Joshua to a man that's absolutely clinical in knocking people out, Joshua being a young completely untested heavyweight that's probably never felt anything close to what someone like Haye could throw just with his left hand.. stupid, just stupid.

Deontay Wilder - Absolutely unlikely but throwing it in here anyway, Wilder is booked to defend the WBC title in January against thus far no one. It's unlikely because Wilder tends to avoid anyone half decent, he's improving but thus far his boxing skills are solely a punch, he's wild, he's sloppy, someone like Haye could easily catch him clean plenty of times. Unfortunately Haye actually did, rocking the cocky and arrogant Wilder numerous times in a sparring session that found the light of day.

People don't like Khan, he's muslim for starters, already lost half of the British public. He's exciting, he's explosive, he's literally an American prizefighter at this point, they love him. He's also dangerous, Mayweather took Berto for a reason. Khan can beat Manny. I don't think there's many boxers in the world that can outpoint Amir Khan. The glass chin argument is too old now, it's boring and it's so one sided and bias I give up with it. Manny has been put down more times in his career than Khan and in more brutal fashion as we seen with Marquez, yet he's never once questioned about his chin despite being dropped multiple times. Klitschko notoriously met this same outcome once and no questions are asked anymore.

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Well of those Hayes has always had a big mouth and not much else but well life is about differing opinions and others might think differently.

Knan certainly has talent but whether he uses it properly is another matter and it certainly does not worry me one jot that he is muslim as that makes no difference as we are all humans at the end of the day pure and simple.

Hatton always had a pretty weak chin so it was inevitable that it would come home to roost sooner rather then later.

Groves fought too soon and Joshua well he ain't much cop in my book.

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I think Joshua can be nurtured into Britain's next Lennox Lewis, if he continues to step up in opponents each time anyway. If he follows the same route of Hatton or Brook then he'll inevitably get himself exposed later on down the line. Haye tried to bait him in today. Taking that fight and knocking out Joshua this early in his career would all but destroy it. I can't see any reason why Haye needs a 13-0 prospect fighter when he's already well established... Money naturally. In 5 years Joshua could match Haye if not beat him. Right now it's a case of inexperience. Joshua has never seen speed like Haye never mind the power coming behind it. Joshua wouldn't be exposed, it'd be a horrendous decision to let a rookie fight a veteran.

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Fury now threatening to pull out of tonight's fight due to the canvas being too soft... :erm: This guy is making a mockery of British boxing. I'm sure some of us would be happy with a Brit stopping Klitschko, but I assume most would prefer Haye or Joshua. It's no surprise to me that the hometown support that should be with him is in fact divided.

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Sadly British boxing is increasingly becoming the laughing stock of the world.:td:

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People don't see it but this one guy's antics could flatline the British HW division for as long as Klitschko holds the belt. Haye promoted the fight in a way he didn't like but wasn't that extreme, Chisora spitting, I remember that. Now you have Fury being an absolute Arse. Joshua calling out knockout specialist Veterans.

Elsehwhere you have Amir Khan content on waiting for a Superfight that apparently isn't happening thus continues to just jet around the world on Holiday. You have Brook fighting no bodies until he's 40-0, retires and proclaims to be the GOAT. Froch dropping it all after failing to rematch Ward or setting up Golovkin.

The British fans forever being excrement-ed upon.

Made the news now http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34954253

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Fury more than holding his own. He'll earn a new found respect from the world with this display. Win or lose tonight he's definitely showed a different side. It's wlad that's sloppy here. Fury is composed. Roles reversed. As much as I'd like to see Fury get flattened I can't help but want the underdog to prove myself and so many others wrong.

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Wlad is beaten, he looks beaten. I can't stand Tyson but I'd never see a guy robbed and keep quiet. Debate the rounds away. Klitschko has never really been in this so far.

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He's not robbed. Well done, I don't like him as a person but as a boxer, that was absolutely spectacular. Well done, you've proven me and a half a country wrong tonight.

Fury beats Klitschko, 10 years in the making. Haye exposed Wlad's bollocks in a fight, Fury fell for none of this, the leaning was completely neutralized tonight. Well done Tyson. Someone finally took Wlad to the cleaners with his negative tactics.

Now he's singing, brilliant.

Haye vs Fury in the end, you could just see it coming couldn't you. I think Haye has the power to put anyone down, but Fury's skills tonight were on display and he deserves the respect overall.

You'll take the numbers tonight and think this was a retiring old man vs a bum, this wasn't. Fury didn't go out there just to box, he went out there to completely stop the tactics Wlad has employed for years. He did that perfectly tonight.

Well said David, I hope everyone stands up tonight and congratulates this man and tells it how it is, he proved the doubters wrong (Myself for one) He did it. That's that.

I've said this so many times about British boxers, they go 30/40-0 and go into big fights and get horribly exposed. Tyson Fury is 25-0 and World Champion having beaten the best.. take that in. The man that I can't stand has ultimately delivered my wish.

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Well l don't like Fury's mouth but l have to give praise when its due and look a fool into the process although that's nothing new.:)

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I don't think either of us look like fools, there isn't many that hadn't written him off. I combined his attitude and personality as a person with his boxing skills to create a character and I was wrong. He got everything right last night. He completely neutralized the Wlad leaning. I've said this in Haye's defence too, Wlad has been employing tactics for years to disguise his ailing speed and deteriorating boxing skills. That's where Fury deserves the most credit, he didn't just go in there to box, he went in there to expose what Klitschko had been doing for some years.

Without then going onto taking anything away from Fury, I'll echo Lennox Lewis' comments, it's brilliant for heavyweight boxing, Fury isn't a Klitschko and isn't one dimensional and boring, he can be beaten and the 10 years of the same Ukrainians is over.

I'd also like to point out, you hold a fight in Germany and justice prevails, I have no doubt saying those scorecards may have went in Klitschko's favour in Vegas. It's refreshing to see a completely correct set of cards for a change.

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Heavy lies the crown.

Jose Aldo (C) vs. Conor McGregor (IC) For the UFC Featherweight Championship
Chris Weidman (C) vs. Luke Rockhold For the UFC Middleweight Championship

UFC:194 - December 12th 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_194

Live on BT sports 2 (3am)
Prelims (1am)

Great Recap of McGregor's route to this megafight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91liSjahuNw

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Tyson is growing on me, he and his dad might be dicks but I admire the traits of loyalty and honour above all and they seem to have both in spades

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This is what I've called for in boxing for a while now. Decent steps up in an opponents level. I want Joshua to win and I lean towards him to win but it's one of those that could end in tears. We'll see if Joshua has what it takes to make a step up from now on.

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Yes it will be interesting to see if Joshua copes.

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Anthony Joshua knocks out Dillian Whyte

Questions were asked, they were answered.

Should Joshua have been calling out David Haye? Just no, Haye would obliterate him. Joshua admitted he's far from ready for this.

Joshua coped, he coped well, he was caught for the first time and exposed, every fighter must get this over with as early as possible, he's took his shot, got hurt and moved on.

Can Joshua adapt to a fight? Yes.