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tizmeinnit 30-09-2013 16:11

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626852)
explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )


Because it is ridiculously expensive to the end user and it costs very little in comparison to produce

Will21st 30-09-2013 16:16

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626852)
explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )

With prohibition you add a risk premium to the price,not to forget transportation costs,bribes and mark ups to make up for losses....

However I think that government weed will be more expensive than now because of tax,and I am also certain that most consumers won't mind.They certainly don't in the Netherlands.

martyh 30-09-2013 16:19

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626857)
Because it is ridiculously expensive to the end user and it costs very little in comparison to produce

Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

Will21st 30-09-2013 16:23

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626863)
Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

Yeah,cause Cannabis users are really we known for acquisitive crime... ;)

martyh 30-09-2013 16:25

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626861)
With prohibition you add a risk premium to the price,not to forget transportation costs,bribes and mark ups to make up for losses....

However I think that government weed will be more expensive than now because of tax,and I am also certain that most consumers won't mind.They certainly don't in the Netherlands.

You can't keep using foreign countries as justification .In the UK we have a different mentality ,we do everything to extremes ,for example it would be quite rare to see young kids drinking to excess in most European countries but in the UK it happens in every town and city every weekend and some week nights too

Our society is not mature enough to handle legalised drugs imo

tizmeinnit 30-09-2013 16:27

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626863)
Your forgetting the production costs of legal mass production ,one of the ways cannabis farms are found in this country is through abnormal electricity use ,electricity that is normally stolen ,then you have to factor in labour costs ,licensing costs ,the list goes on ,and like i said before the stuff still has to be bought by users who may not have much money and if they commit crimes to buy the stuff now they will continue to commit crimes if the stuff is legal

and you are missing how much profit can be made. A 2 grand layout can net a 30 grand profit that includes the leccy it includes the nutrients it includes the hardware and you only have to visit the plants once a day

martyh 30-09-2013 16:34

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626864)
Yeah,cause Cannabis users are really we known for acquisitive crime... ;)

your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs to the mix is just plain ludicrous

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626870)
and you are missing how much profit can be made. A 2 grand layout can net a 30 grand profit that includes the leccy it includes the nutrients it includes the hardware and you only have to visit the plants once a day

a 2 grand layout if produced illegally in someones loft,with nicked electric ,A 2 grand layout wouldn't even buy a weeks worth of electric for a government run cannabis farm

Will21st 30-09-2013 16:55

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626868)
You can't keep using foreign countries as justification .In the UK we have a different mentality ,we do everything to extremes ,for example it would be quite rare to see young kids drinking to excess in most European countries but in the UK it happens in every town and city every weekend and some week nights too

Our society is not mature enough to handle legalised drugs imo

Foreign Countries? You make that sound like a swear word. :p:

Immature? Definitely,but maybe if we stop treating people like children they would grow up.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626871)
your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs snip

No,not all drug users commit acquisitive crimes... You are looking at street drug users who are a small proportion of all drug users.Most don't commit crime and use responsibly,just like most drinkers and smokers do.

By the way,we are not adding anything by legally regulating drugs.Name one drug that has disappeared from the streets of Britain through prohibition.Anybody who wants to know knows that practically every town and city in this country is an illegal drug supermarket.... Thanks to prohibition and the massive profits it guarantees.

tizmeinnit 30-09-2013 17:35

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626871)
your assuming that all cannabis users only use cannabis ,the ones i know use a variety of drugs and ALL commit crimes from theft to welfare fraud ,quite a few commit crimes so they can get booze ,which takes us back to what i said earlier ,we have enough problems managing the problems associated with fags and booze ,adding legal drugs to the mix is just plain ludicrous

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a 2 grand layout if produced illegally in someones loft,with nicked electric ,A 2 grand layout wouldn't even buy a weeks worth of electric for a government run cannabis farm


no that is including electric paid for legally

Yes and the profits are compounded

Will21st 30-09-2013 20:32

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626907)
no that is including electric paid for legally

Yes and the profits are compounded

Good Luck making sense out of that angry gibberish. :)

Nidge41 30-09-2013 20:51

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626854)
Yes,the difference is that even though you don't pay tax you know the fags are still under government quality control.
With drugs,when legal,even though it would be cheaper from the dodgy bloke you couldn't be sure what lab they came from....

He doesn't deal in dodgy ciggies he says it's false economy because people want their money back.

martyh 30-09-2013 21:15

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626984)
Good Luck making sense out of that angry gibberish. :)

It's neither angry nor gibberish ,just a differing opinion to yours ,my opinions are based on negative personal experiences where people i know have died or fried their brain due to drug use ,yours are based on the need for a drug to make your life better .

Will21st 30-09-2013 21:37

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35626990)
He doesn't deal in dodgy ciggies he says it's false economy because people want their money back.

I know,re-read what I wrote. ;)

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35627003)
It's neither angry nor gibberish ,just a differing opinion to yours ,my opinions are based on negative personal experiences where people i know have died or fried their brain due to drug use ,yours are based on the need for a drug to make your life better .

Is that so.... I guess all my murdered friends,the killers that I've known and all the other violence of an illegal Marketplace I've witnessed were all just a figment of my imagination. Truly amazing. :dozey:

Anyway,I've know 2 people to die from their drug use after consuming nicotine for 40 years, and they were my parents.... both died of Lung cancer.I do not know a single,solitary person to have died from drugs and I was at it for a long time.Could have been a freak exception in statistics,but maybe it wasn't.

I do however know a lot of people who would still be alive if drugs were legally regulated. How experiences and conclusions differ.

:)

martyh 30-09-2013 22:11

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35627005)
I know,re-read what I wrote. ;)

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Is that so.... I guess all my murdered friends,the killers that I've known and all the other violence of an illegal Marketplace I've witnessed were all just a figment of my imagination. Truly amazing. :dozey:

Anyway,I've know 2 people to die from their drug use after consuming nicotine for 40 years, and they were my parents.... both died of Lung cancer.I do not know a single,solitary person to have died from drugs and I was at it for a long time.Could have been a freak exception in statistics,but maybe it wasn't.

I do however know a lot of people who would still be alive if drugs were legally regulated. How experiences and conclusions differ.

:)

and you want to legalize a drug that is at least equally as dangerous :shocked:

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How experiences and conclusions differ.

you would do well to remember that .


Anyhoo ,it appears that all is not well with the Dutch model .Firstly to set the record straight Holland has not legalized cannabis ,they merely tolerate it's use and as a result it is easier to get harder drugs ,the supply isn't regulated either just the sales,indeed it seems that the legal sale of unregulated cannabis is such a problem that(last year) it prompted Ivo Opstelten, Holland’s justice minister to instruct parliament to rethink their soft approach to drugs resulting in a ban on strung cannabis strains (skunk)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/9690851/Holland-to-ban-sale-of-skunk-marijuana-in-coffee-shops.html

Nidge41 30-09-2013 22:14

Re: Drug law reform
 
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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35627005)
I know,re-read what I wrote. ;)

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:)

Just realised mate sorry :dunce::dunce::dunce:


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